Offical Neon Genesis Evangelion Info/Update Thread

[nabelnabel]

I'd love to hear more about why the licensing fees for FMTTM are so pricey. Maybe this is old hat for the more seasoned fans but someone here mentioned they're charging so much "because they realized they can", except if absolutely no one is willing to pay those insane licensing fees... evidently they can't?

[SpazeBlue]

If they charge such an insane price, nobody will pay for it. If they charge a more reasonable price, then people will pay for it. Don't understand their logic here...

[BigOnAnime]

Originally Posted by nabelnabel

I'd love to hear more about why the licensing fees for FMTTM are so pricey. Maybe this is old hat for the more seasoned fans but someone here mentioned they're charging so much "because they realized the can", except if absolutely no one is willing to pay those insane licensing fees... evidently they can't?

It was mentioned 25 pages back.

Originally Posted by psychomugs

Reposting Gendo'sPapa@EvaGeeks reposting VDeviance@Twitter:

https://twitter.com/vdeviance/status...98588405719041

[nabelnabel]

Honestly that "further explanation since people are getting confused" is even more confusing. Is it the case then that they are making more money with an outrageous licensing fee from people who have the money to spend and just want to license it out for a single instance in a movie, for example? And they would be losing money from these other sources if they brought the price down so it was affordable enough to include in all the EVA episodes?

[rayeknor]

Originally Posted by Steven11788

so does the UK version only ship to UK. see that version is still in stock.

Should ship worldwide. Ordered it from Scandinavia, have shopped with them before no problems.

As of now there are 333 copies left.

[kk1]

Originally Posted by nabelnabel

Honestly that "further explanation since people are getting confused" is even more confusing. Is it the case then that they are making more money with an outrageous licensing fee from people who have the money to spend and just want to license it out for a single instance in a movie, for example? And they would be losing money from these other sources if they brought the price down so it was affordable enough to include in all the EVA episodes?

Yeah doesn't make sense since they are pricing themselves right out of making any money. It's not like these fees aren't negotiable, and honestly where has anyone heard FMTtH outside of Eva in the past 20 years? I can't think of any movie or TV show (heck I barely heard it before Eva), maybe one of those late night infomercials to buy Time Life's CD hit's of 50's or something Whoever does have the license is probably blowing one of their last chances to make money off of it by demanding such an all or nothing price for it. That would just be a stupid business move.
Unless there were negotiations and this is just the story GKids is going with deciding the cut in profit they would make per unit would be too much and they would rather just lose the sales to people who care (which don't seem to be too many).

[IRLM]

Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

We're talking about dubs for one of the most popular, important, influential, and critically-acclaimed anime of all-time. People can get quite attached to these, especially when they've existed for decades. This is how many people first watched the show back when the VHS tapes came out in the mid-1990s, the DVDs in the early 2000s, the Platinum DVDs in the mid-2000s, broadcasts on ADV's The Anime Network, and then there's the one time the series ran on [adult swim]. Neon Genesis Evangelion put ADV Films on the map, and the dub is one of the reasons why. People will forever associate ADV Films with Evangelion, and similarly they will forever associate Manga Entertainment with The End of Evangelion like they already do with Ghost in the Shell (which is what put Manga on the map).

Note the uproar over the Ocean dub for The Vision of Escaflowne, one of Bandai Entertainment's top 5 best-selling anime of all-time (bottom of article). The fan backlash was so immense that FUNimation gave in and included the dub on the standard editions instead of locking it behind the Collector's Edition.

Imagine if Cowboy Bebop got redubbed and the original Animaze dub was locked behind a $275 Ultimate Edition limited to 5,000 units. People would be in a massive uproar, you rarely hear about people watching that show subbed. Now, the Evangelion ADV and Manga dubs don't have the critical acclaim that one does, but you should get the point. Oh and something to keep in mind, some people watch dubs for accessibility reasons because they quite literally cannot watch a show with subtitles because of a disability.

People are also concerned about preservation. Now if the ADV and Manga dubs don't end up in the non-UE release(s), that'll be understandable given how controlling Khara is with the franchise, it'll be on Khara, not GKIDS or anyone else if they're missing. If those dubs don't make it, it will almost guarantee that the DVDs will remain expensive, similar to how the Dragon Boxes for Dragon Ball Z remain expensive because they have something the 9,000+ other releases don't have, the full series uncut in 4:3 in good quality. Enough people care deeply about the ADV and Manga dubs for Evangelion that they'll continue to hang onto their DVDs even if they get the Blu-ray. Heck, the edited DVDs with the DiC dub for Sailor Moon and Sailor Moon R remain rare to this day despite the fact an uncut dub has been out for a good while. You should also see the effort Discotek Media goes through for old and even really obscure dubs because enough people care about them.

First time I watched NGE was in the good old Kazaa days. First episode was available with the ADV dub so that's what I got. Loved the show so I kept downloading that version until episode seven was only available subbed. I was like: "Well, guess if I want to keep watching it'll have to be in japanese with subs".

I was blown away by how better Eva was in japanese, I had to go back and get the first six episodes in japanese as well. My attachment to the ADV dub must have lasted like, five minutes of watching the original dub by japanese actors. I can't understand how anyone can love this show and not love it even more when watching it subbed instead of dubbed, I just can't.

I guess there can be people who genuinely prefer the ADV version but if that's the case then I think it can be argued that what they love is really not NGE as it was originally created, but a derivative version of the material, just one of many that exist in different languages and whose purpose is simply to make the show more accesible but not to cannibalize the original.

The arguments for preservation and accesibility are fair though, I could argue that you do more damage than good to the IP by preserving a dub that actively predates the original artwork. I can't blame companies like Khara or Toho for being so controlling of their properties when they see american audiences clinging so hard to "their versions". As a creator I would be like: "Do you really like my show/movie at all? Then why do you keep clinging to these edited versions you make for yourself?"

[IRLM]

Originally Posted by Catbug

NGE was the first anime I ever watched in high school (really it was DBZ among others, but I don’t count the stuff I grew up watching on toonami). It was extremely influential and it sparked a passion for more thought provoking anime that had more substance than 100 straight episodes of punchy-fighty and crappy dialogue. I obsessed over this anime so much, I actually got my grandparents to sit down and watch EoE with me. In retrospect, that wasn’t such a good idea…




My sister is legally blind and can’t read subbed anime at all. She depends on a decent dub to get her anime fix, and the ADV/Manga dubs are the only way she can fully experience everything NGE has to offer.

A good dub should aim to reproduce the tone and mood of the original as best as possible. I can't comment on other dubs because I haven't seen them but if ADV is the best you got then I sincerely hope you eventually get a better one because the difference is noticeable.

[IRLM]

Originally Posted by kk1

Yeah doesn't make sense since they are pricing themselves right out of making any money. It's not like these fees aren't negotiable, and honestly where has anyone heard FMTtH outside of Eva in the past 20 years? I can't think of any movie or TV show (heck I barely heard it before Eva), maybe one of those late night infomercials to buy Time Life's CD hit's of 50's or something Whoever does have the license is probably blowing one of their last chances to make money off of it by demanding such an all or nothing price for it. That would just be a stupid business move.
Unless there were negotiations and this is just the story GKids is going with deciding the cut in profit they would make per unit would be too much and they would rather just lose the sales to people who care (which don't seem to be too many).

I have no idea of how much the license to the show itself costs but at this point I'm willing to bet that the music rights might be just as expensive, if not more. I reckon that in order to cover those fees and still make a profit you would need to sell the product at double the price, meaning that the most barebones release would cost what, 160, 180 USD? You thought the UE was expensive at 300? Try 500, 600!

MTV's Daria is in the same boat. We'll never see that show as it was originally aired, not until the songs hit public domain, if ever.

[SoliquidForLife]

Originally Posted by Guyver78

No FLY ME TO THE MOON on any international home video releases. Sinatra music rights holders can get f**ked.

Sinatra doesn't have anything to do with it, he didn't write it, and the versions used in the show are different renditions. It's the people who own those specific recordings that are in the way.

[vap]

[QUOTE=Raye;19254950]Dang, really? It's been a while since I've rewatched the TV series. I've been meaning to revisit it, but if the song is inserted in the episode, that's another story...



To be honest, I'd say about 80% of people who buy anime complain about the price. This was apparent when FUNi released the standard version of Kimetsu no Yaiba. People still complained about them charging an MSRP of $59.99 (on sale mostly for $28-35). All of us who have been collecting for decades now can recall when companies charged $20-30 for 3-5 episodes on DVD. For anyone remotely interested in physically owning Eva, I don't think it should be considered a series to collect on a budget. You either have to buy it fairly early in its release or risk the after market inflation like what happened with the Rebuild movies.

What a bunch of crybabies! I can remember when you'd get 2-maybe 3 if you were lucky-episodes on a VHS tape for a msrp of $30. Sometimes they'd go on sale for $28 or even $27 (rarely). Boo hoo.

[BigOnAnime]

Originally Posted by IRLM

First time I watched NGE was in the good old Kazaa days. First episode was available with the ADV dub so that's what I got. Loved the show so I kept downloading that version until episode seven was only available subbed. I was like: "Well, guess if I want to keep watching it'll have to be in japanese with subs".

I was blown away by how better Eva was in japanese, I had to go back and get the first six episodes in japanese as well. My attachment to the ADV dub must have lasted like, five minutes of watching the original dub by japanese actors. I can't understand how anyone can love this show and not love it even more when watching it subbed instead of dubbed, I just can't.

I guess there can be people who genuinely prefer the ADV version but if that's the case then I think it can be argued that what they love is really not NGE as it was originally created, but a derivative version of the material, just one of many that exist in different languages and whose purpose is simply to make the show more accesible but not to cannibalize the original.

The arguments for preservation and accesibility are fair though, I could argue that you do more damage than good to the IP by preserving a dub that actively predates the original artwork. I can't blame companies like Khara or Toho for being so controlling of their properties when they see american audiences clinging so hard to "their versions". As a creator I would be like: "Do you really like my show/movie at all? Then why do you keep clinging to these edited versions you make for yourself?"

Wouldn't watching it subbed rather than in Japanese with no subtitles also be considered derivative? Give the same show to 10 different people to translate, and you'll get 10 different results. Heck, note this controversy. In addition to the dub, many were also asking "Will the original translation be on this release?" and many will be disappointed if it's exclusive to the Ultimate Edition. It's worth noting you will always lose something with translations. Like note how Japanese has numerous ways to refer to oneself, but in English there's just "I" or "me", and that will be reflected in the subtitles.

On the argument of "Do you like my show/movie at all?", wouldn't say George Lucas continue to be asking people that? People continue to cling onto the theatrical versions of the original Star Wars trilogy rather than each new Special Edition that got put out, especially when he doesn't give people the option of the theatrical versions outside of OOP VHS tapes and LaserDiscs as he doesn't want people to watch the theatrical versions.

The edited dub era was something which ended long ago, and that's how people saw many of these works when they were younger, and as they got older, it led to some seeking out the original uncut version, so there's that to note.

I first saw NGE in early 2013 when I got the Holiday Edition DVD set and I first watched the show dubbed, later rewatched it subbed. It also wasn't until last year I finally watched End of Evangelion when I finally got my hands on Manga's movie box set. I'm not as attached to the dubs as many others are (primarily those that have been fans far longer than I have), but I really do not want to see them become lost media. If I have to, I will learn how to sync the ADV and Manga dubs up to the Blu-rays.

Originally Posted by IRLM

A good dub should aim to reproduce the tone and mood of the original as best as possible. I can't comment on other dubs because I haven't seen them but if ADV is the best you got then I sincerely hope you eventually get a better one because the difference is noticeable.

There is the Netflix dub which is what's going to be on all the releases. A common criticism I've heard is it skews too literal, which is the result of Khara being really hands on with it. You also hear stuff like "Third Children" which sounds very weird in English because "children" is plural and they want it used like it's singular. ADV reportedly had to fight extremely hard back in the day to use "Child" instead of "Children". Here's a few dub comparison videos.

[Show spoiler]

Asuka's Phone Call - English Dubs Comparison - YouTube

Evangelion Dub Comparison - Netflix VS ADV - YouTube

Evangelion Dub comparison - YouTube

Evangelion Elevator Scenes - 1997 ADV vs 2019 Netflix versions - YouTube

On a bit of a related note, the Japanese companies don't always know best. You may think "Third Children" is just a one-off, but then there's those that think wasei-eigo is English. Take it from a translator for Sentai Filmworks.

Originally Posted by zoid9000

Yeaaaaaah. I can imagine. I’ve done the opposite and had to send translations to Japan for approval. Generally most feedback I got ended in me explaining that wasei eigo isn’t really English...

https://twitter.com/zoid9000/status/1336855653525172225

[Magikor]

Originally Posted by Catbug

If I was interested in picking up a Japanese Blu-ray release of the series and the movies (that includes FMtTM) what would be the best option? Did the latest Japanese collection come out recently? I know the 3rd and 4th rebuild movies are coming out on 4K, so is it fair to think that maybe Japan will do a 4K collection soon?

Originally Posted by kk1

I was on the page he posted but if you want to dig through the thread and try to find someone else to prove me wrong go ahead, but you won't because you can't. I know he didn't dig back through the thread to find other people. But okay keep trying to justify being an ass.

I didn't need to dig. This was directly above your post.

I said something because your defensive and pretentious "everyone should do what I'm doing" reply was... defensive and pretentious. But okay

[Rilenz]

Originally Posted by kk1

I was on the page he posted but if you want to dig through the thread and try to find someone else to prove me wrong go ahead, but you won't because you can't. I know he didn't dig back through the thread to find other people. But okay keep trying to justify being an ass.

Not to uh, drag this all up, because it's really not that big a deal.
But, I did actually go back in the thread to find the moment the ultimate editon launched and read the whole thread from there before I made my reply. I just wanted to read what everyone's thoughts were. I wasn't talking about anyone specific, I wasn't remembering the names of who said what. I did in fact dig back through the whole thread haha

[snowmint]

Yo Nerv doggies and four eyed cronies, do we know how FMTTM is going to be removed in the in episode usages in the ADV dub?

[The Collector FX]

Originally Posted by snowmint

Yo Nerv doggies and four eyed cronies, do we know how FMTTM is going to be removed in the in episode usages in the ADV dub?

None of us know as of yet, but my assumption is that it will be replaced with the Netflix outro.

[Mr. Chaverria]

**** it. I ordered the UK one. Let's see wtf happens now.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by kk1

The "it's too expensive" should be translated to "we wouldn't make as much money".

The entire project obviously wouldn't be economically feasible if they had to buy 31 versions of FMTTM. I don't know why you can't understand that.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Spoofer

IDK about the 103, but for the 203:

https://watershade.net/wmcclain/UDP-...-disc-playback

I haven't tried it out yet for myself, but I was glad to see that it looks to be possible.

This works for the 103 as well.

Seems like a bothersome method for a TV series though. It also plays MKVs and TS files.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Catbug

Animoo?

Annie May?