Offical Neon Genesis Evangelion Info/Update Thread

[Naiera]

[psychomugs]

Originally Posted by professorwho

Eva threads were a mistake. It shows people’s true colours for better or worse.

Definitely showing yours.

I couldn't read anything hostile about the post you were replying to; the poster was just offering more reasons for why the older editions should exist, actually supporting your argument.

[Tylerfan]

One day, someone will make a video on this thread

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by omgitsgodzilla

My entire point is that there isn't one definitive correct way to watch the show. There are arguments to be made both for new restorations that surpass what a contemporary audience would have seen, and for approximating the limitations of how they would have seen it. I usually prefer the former, but I can appreciate the latter. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm saying the latter is a superior or inherently more correct approach.

I can see that, and it makes sense, though some of the diction in your initial post has different implications (implying that the latter is superior), though that may be on me.

Originally Posted by psychomugs

Definitely showing yours.

I couldn't read anything hostile about the post you were replying to; the poster was just offering more reasons for why the older editions should exist, actually supporting your argument.

Perhaps it really was a misinterpretation on my part, for which I do apologize to those who think I was rude if I didn’t get the intended meaning. If I didn’t understand what was being said, that’s on me, so perhaps I looked too far into stuff that wasn’t there.

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by Tylerfan

One day, someone will make a video on this thread

Nah, make it the BD forums as a whole. That would make a great documentary on the many crazy threads over the years, with longstanding rivalries, ongoing storylines and deep character development. (I’m partially joking and partially serious)

[StarDestroyer52]

Originally Posted by professorwho

Nah, make it the BD forums as a whole. That would make a great documentary on the many crazy threads over the years, with longstanding rivalries, ongoing storylines and deep character development. (I’m partially joking and partially serious)

The Vinegar Syndrome thread would make for a good movie, though I don't know if it could be on basic cable.

[Catbug]

Originally Posted by Tylerfan

One day, someone will make a video on this thread

Do you think I’ll have a starring role? I wonder if they’ll hire an A-lister to play my character… I’m fine with being an extra, just give me some damn dialogue!

[mastafishere]

Originally Posted by svenge

Yeah, I'm with you on that one. Although to be honest, the original Death and also Death[True] would be almost as pointless to include on a Western release as the "Video Format" version of EoE. I own all three versions of Death on disc, so I can say that first-hand.

What is the difference between the regular End of Evangelion movie and the video format version?

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by mastafishere

What is the difference between the regular End of Evangelion movie and the video format version?

Split in two halves like normal but with unique credits sequences and a unique episode preview emulating the TV series ones, iirc

[mastafishere]

Originally Posted by professorwho

Split in two halves like normal but with unique credits sequences and a unique episode preview emulating the TV series ones, iirc

Not gonna lie, if they each started with Cruel Angel's Thesis, I'd say it was worth it Otherwise, yeah, sounds pointless to dedicate an entire disc for it (plus extras, I know)

[omgitsgodzilla]

Originally Posted by professorwho

I can see that, and it makes sense, though some of the diction in your initial post has different implications (implying that the latter is superior), though that may be on me.

I'm glad we're understanding each other.

I'll grant that my post was mostly making the case for the old masters, which was mainly because I was responding to an absolutist argument in favor of the new ones.

What I was getting at is that watching the new remasters on a big LCD/OLED display doesn't necessarily carry the authority of the creators' original intent. It is a specific artifact, not a platonic ideal. Strictly speaking, that original authority would go to the way the original '90s TV audience the show was made for saw it.

That said, the new remasters are clearly the creators' (or at least the owners') primary intended presentation right now. That authority is also claimed by Greedo shooting first -- not that the 2015 NGE remasters are that explicitly revisionist, of course, but to be entirely consistent with regard to authorial intent, you couldn't really pick and choose which current officially approved presentations are and aren't correct.

Then, just to cover all the bases, there's the matter of the technical quality with which a given presentation reproduces the original source. Is the Despecialized Edition of Star Wars, which employs a lot of digital recreation of the original images, objectively a better way to watch it than the 1993 LD transfers of the actual film because of its higher resolution and lack of Laserdisc video artifacts? Is it better than 4K77 because it uses a cleaner professional transfer of the original negative for the bulk of the film, rather than a higher-resolution amateur transfer of theatrical prints?

The point is, people's preferences on how to watch things are ultimately their own. I doubt anyone strictly adheres to any of those three criteria 100% of the time. They're all reasonable considerations, and there's nothing wrong with citing any of them to explain one's own preference, but that's not the same as hiding behind one of them to present one's personal priorities as objectively and exclusively correct.

[Catbug]

Originally Posted by omgitsgodzilla

I'm glad we're understanding each other.

I'll grant that my post was mostly making the case for the old masters, which was mainly because I was responding to an absolutist argument in favor of the new ones.

What I was getting at is that watching the new remasters on a big LCD/OLED display doesn't necessarily carry the authority of the creators' original intent. It is a specific artifact, not a platonic ideal. Strictly speaking, that original authority would go to the way the original '90s TV audience the show was made for saw it.

That said, the new remasters are clearly the creators' (or at least the owners') primary intended presentation right now. That authority is also claimed by Greedo shooting first -- not that the 2015 NGE remasters are that explicitly revisionist, of course, but to be entirely consistent with regard to authorial intent, you couldn't really pick and choose which current officially approved presentations are and aren't correct.

Then, just to cover all the bases, there's the matter of the technical quality with which a given presentation reproduces the original source. Is the Despecialized Edition of Star Wars, which employs a lot of digital recreation of the original images, objectively a better way to watch it than the 1993 LD transfers of the actual film because of its higher resolution and lack of Laserdisc video artifacts? Is it better than 4K77 because it uses a cleaner professional transfer of the original negative for the bulk of the film, rather than a higher-resolution amateur transfer of theatrical prints?

The point is, people's preferences on how to watch things are ultimately their own. I doubt anyone strictly adheres to any of those three criteria 100% of the time. They're all reasonable considerations, and there's nothing wrong with citing any of them to explain one's own preference, but that's not the same as hiding behind one of them to present one's personal priorities as objectively and exclusively correct.

Thems big words… I agree. All kidding aside, very well articulated. Do you have a degree in English or something? That was too well put together…

[Naiera]

I actually have a degree in English.

But all this vaping on what’s right or wrong is bordering on nonsense. People can watch Eva in black & white for all I care, while I’ll watch it on my $6,000 projector on a 108” screen. I would never watch anything on a CRT ever again, unless I somehow absolutely had to. Eva is better in HD any which way you twist or turn it.

[Warm Gun]

I didn't pay attention to most of the conversation, but I never really was convinced by all the people saying SD games and videos need to be played on an SD tube CRT. Sounds completely made up to me. I wanna see the SD lines as clearly as possible.

[keitaro]

Originally Posted by Naiera

I actually have a degree in English.

But all this vaping on what’s right or wrong is bordering on nonsense. People can watch Eva in black & white for all I care, while I’ll watch it on my $6,000 projector on a 108” screen. I would never watch anything on a CRT ever again, unless I somehow absolutely had to. Eva is better in HD any which way you twist or turn it.

If I were to give you a VCR, would you then get a CRT?

[Spoofer]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

I didn't pay attention to most of the conversation, but I never really was convinced by all the people saying SD games and videos need to be played on an SD tube CRT. Sounds completely made up to me. I wanna see the SD lines as clearly as possible.

Video game dithering was utilized with the intent that CRTs would seamlessly blend colors. Rough sprite or model edges were also intended to be "smoothed out" and/or hidden by the technology. SD pre-rendered backdrops look most seamless coupled with SD models. And so on and so forth. There's a reason why peoples' memories of PS1 games like FFVII-IX are that they looked amazing back in the day, and then wonder why they look so different and flawed in the here and now. It's not simply a matter of evolving standards, but genuinely that they don't look as good as they used to when viewed on their intended display tech.

There's certainly merit to attempting to recreate the original viewing experience for various reasons, though obviously everyone is different and is responsible for choosing how they individually wish to view aged media in the modern age.

[vap]

This entire thread reminds me of banana nut bread-crazy! What does gaming on a crt display have to do with NGE? Come to think of it-what does any of this random stuff have to do with it?

[Spoofer]

Just meant as a reply to a couple posts above, lol, and the latest tangent the thread's been on.

[CuppaKofe]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

I didn't pay attention to most of the conversation, but I never really was convinced by all the people saying SD games and videos need to be played on an SD tube CRT. Sounds completely made up to me. I wanna see the SD lines as clearly as possible.

To be fair, a lot of sprite art in games from the 90's were designed to take advantage of the CRT's blur and color bleeding to clean up the art, blend dithering patterns to create gradients and shading, etc.

https://twitter.com/CRTpixels/status...328466441?s=20
https://twitter.com/CRTpixels/status...214616587?s=20

I still use a Sony Trinitron CRT for pre-ps2 consoles, though I can understand that not everyone has the room for that kind of set up, or prefers sharp pixels.

Uuuuh, anyway... sega genesis evanjelion.

[Warm Gun]

Originally Posted by CuppaKofe

To be fair, a lot of sprite art in games from the 90's were designed to take advantage of the CRT's blur and color bleeding to clean up the art, blend dithering patterns to create gradients and shading, etc.

https://twitter.com/CRTpixels/status...328466441?s=20
https://twitter.com/CRTpixels/status...214616587?s=20

I still use a Sony Trinitron CRT for pre-ps2 consoles, though I can understand that not everyone has the room for that kind of set up, or prefers sharp pixels.

Hm... I may experiment with the filters the next time I use one of my pre-N64 emulators.