Color banding on my VT60 - Blu-ray Forum

Steelmaker · 05-31-2016, 02:41 PM

This is the only issue I have with my VT60 plasma. Is this just a negative symptom of plasma technology or is there an actually way to eliminate or at least minimize the color banding on this tv?

DavePS3 · 05-31-2016, 03:33 PM

All Plasmas kinda suffer from the same issue. It's simply low bit rate color processing compared to newer panels. As an example, A 4K HDR panel gets rid of that shade banding.

In Plasma technology, 1080p could only do so much. It had limitations which is why the genre got lost in the 4K LED rise. In short, there's nothing you can do about it, especially if the source itself is low bitrate color.

The problem with lower BR color, is that there simply weren't enough variances within shades of colors that the could be processed by the panels themselves. Pioneer Elites simply softened the sharpness a bit so you had detail but not enough that the sharper edges of that banding showed as much. With that in mind, you could lower your sharpness setting and make sure any digital noise filters are ON. That will help a bit but you suffer a tad on fine detail, especially on BluRays. It's pretty much like older computer monitors that could only do basic rez from lower resolution settings, which resulted in blocky banding.

Give that a shot. It wont get rid of the issue completely but it should soften the effect to make it less noticeable.

Steelmaker · 06-01-2016, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DavePS3

All Plasmas kinda suffer from the same issue. It's simply low bit rate color processing compared to newer panels. As an example, A 4K HDR panel gets rid of that shade banding.

In Plasma technology, 1080p could only do so much. It had limitations which is why the genre got lost in the 4K LED rise. In short, there's nothing you can do about it, especially if the source itself is low bitrate color.

The problem with lower BR color, is that there simply weren't enough variances within shades of colors that the could be processed by the panels themselves. Pioneer Elites simply softened the sharpness a bit so you had detail but not enough that the sharper edges of that banding showed as much. With that in mind, you could lower your sharpness setting and make sure any digital noise filters are ON. That will help a bit but you suffer a tad on fine detail, especially on BluRays. It's pretty much like older computer monitors that could only do basic rez from lower resolution settings, which resulted in blocky banding.

Give that a shot. It wont get rid of the issue completely but it should soften the effect to make it less noticeable.

Thanks so much for your help! I tried what you suggested and it did make a difference. I had my sharpness set to 40 and I took it all the way down to zero. That definitely softens the color banding quite a bit.

CHASLS2 · 06-04-2016, 01:27 PM

My 60VT60 is perfect with under 3000 hours and nothing like what yours is doing.

Steelmaker · 06-07-2016, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CHASLS2

My 60VT60 is perfect with under 3000 hours and nothing like what yours is doing.

Do you play a lot of video games? That's where it's most apparent.

Robert Zohn · 06-07-2016, 12:03 PM

Sharpness should be set to 0 for the best overall picture performance.

CHASLS2 · 06-07-2016, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Do you play a lot of video games? That's where it's most apparent.

Never played one since 1981 when i played Space invaders .

Suntory_Times · 03-20-2017, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Do you play a lot of video games? That's where it's most apparent.

In a lot of video games that is a source issue.

avexhype · 06-10-2021, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

In a lot of video games that is a source issue.

Very true.

Wingman1977 · 07-03-2021, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

In a lot of video games that is a source issue.

Probably the person has to fix the video in the game's settings(brightness, sharpness, contrast, etc).

HeavyHitter · 08-25-2021, 12:29 AM

Sometimes greyscale issues can cause banding, other times source material. Before going front projection, I owned the Panasonic 65" VT60 for about year watching mostly Blu-ray - calibrated by Chad B. I had no banding issues. In fact, it was pretty much a flawless 1080p image. It was the best TV I ever owned up to that time (2014).

05-31-2016, 02:41 PM	#1
Steelmaker Blu-ray Duke Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Chattanooga, TN Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	Color banding on my VT60 This is the only issue I have with my VT60 plasma. Is this just a negative symptom of plasma technology or is there an actually way to eliminate or at least minimize the color banding on this tv?

05-31-2016, 03:33 PM	#2
DavePS3 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Toronto Home Theater Gallery:56 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	All Plasmas kinda suffer from the same issue. It's simply low bit rate color processing compared to newer panels. As an example, A 4K HDR panel gets rid of that shade banding. In Plasma technology, 1080p could only do so much. It had limitations which is why the genre got lost in the 4K LED rise. In short, there's nothing you can do about it, especially if the source itself is low bitrate color. The problem with lower BR color, is that there simply weren't enough variances within shades of colors that the could be processed by the panels themselves. Pioneer Elites simply softened the sharpness a bit so you had detail but not enough that the sharper edges of that banding showed as much. With that in mind, you could lower your sharpness setting and make sure any digital noise filters are ON. That will help a bit but you suffer a tad on fine detail, especially on BluRays. It's pretty much like older computer monitors that could only do basic rez from lower resolution settings, which resulted in blocky banding. Give that a shot. It wont get rid of the issue completely but it should soften the effect to make it less noticeable.

06-04-2016, 01:27 PM	#4
CHASLS2 Expert Member Member since:Jul 2011 Location:Tampa FL area	My 60VT60 is perfect with under 3000 hours and nothing like what yours is doing.

06-07-2016, 12:03 PM	#6
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Sharpness should be set to 0 for the best overall picture performance.

08-25-2021, 12:29 AM	#11
HeavyHitter Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Home Theater Gallery:4 Trading Score:154	Sometimes greyscale issues can cause banding, other times source material. Before going front projection, I owned the Panasonic 65" VT60 for about year watching mostly Blu-ray - calibrated by Chad B. I had no banding issues. In fact, it was pretty much a flawless 1080p image. It was the best TV I ever owned up to that time (2014).

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