Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by dcx4610

Wait...so we are NOT getting the original mono mix after all? It's lost? Another downmix? I mean I'll live if I have to settle for Atmos but I love for this to be the ultimate/final version if possible.

It's already been confirmed we're getting the original mono, just like the previous release had. The problem is the previous release's mono track was over-processed and sounds muffled, and the concern is that is what will be used for the UHD too.

[buck135]

Originally Posted by BNex99

I hope SF has been able to use the best available elements for all these releases, but if the mono for H1 is the same track as was in the 2014 box, then I'm okay with that.

I can't believe that boxset was released seven years ago! Doesn't seem that long ago.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by dcx4610

Wait...so we are NOT getting the original mono mix after all? It's lost? Another downmix? I mean I'll live if I have to settle for Atmos but I love for this to be the ultimate/final version if possible.

No its the original mono mix.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Well they will be NEW sound effects and NEW is a BETTER and FRESH interpretation!

Sorry, but Utilitarianism WINS because it sells.

The amount of times people keep saying (unironically, natch) that remixed audio is just automatically “better”, as if that means anything, is getting silly. There are exceptions which even I’ll cede to, but 99% of the time I just don’t care for remixes and it’s got nada to do with just having TV speakers and no sound system, as even when I had the gear I deferred to the OG tracks wherever possible.

And I get that there is the stench of rank hypocrisy when it comes to loving 4K HDR but not remixed audio, but then I don’t claim that that’s “original” (like one of the turbine bods did when talking about their Atmos remixes) for as soon as something gets transferred to home video then it’s no longer “original” no matter if it’s SDR or HDR. All I’m concerned about is if it’s a tasteful update and I cannot say the same for remixes, especially as it’s FAR easier to relay original audio on home video than it is the original ‘look’ to the visuals.

[hungrywives]

Originally Posted by bleakassassin

What about the mono track on the 2007 Anchor Bay Blu-ray release? I'm pretty sure that's supposed to also be the original mono. How does that compare to the LD and Shout mixes?

Comparison between the Criterion Laserdisc and the 2007 Anchor Bay Blu-ray.

Halloween (1978) Laserdisc-2007 Blu-ray Mono Comparison - YouTube

[jstxanothrxstory]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

I also could see them not wanting to admit/advertise that fact, so I won't be surprised should they not wish to confirm the source, should they have gone that route.

I don’t think they’d be ashamed of saying so if they were to use the laserdisc for the original mono. They were open about doing so for Return, and have been open about disclosing when they didn’t have original elements to work with (such as the Black Christmas replacement disc).

[vailsy]

wow thanks hungrywives for posting that youtube link .. ok so the differences are night and day .. no bass or extreme highs in the 2014 version and it sounds like it's being played through a radio basically

I was just reading this page: http://www.dvdexotica.com/2019/05/wa...t-be-this.html

It says the shout box Halloween blu ray has 4 audio tracks: 7.1 , 5.1 and two versions of the mono .. one lossy (on disc two, the 2007 blu ray) and one lossless .. I guess the English Dolby TrueHD 2.0 Mono on disc one

Just wondering which one you recorded for the comparison? I'm guessing the mono from disc one?

Also what audio outputs did you use from your laserdisc player and blu ray player btw?

[JCRW82]

Originally Posted by hungrywives

Comparison between the Criterion Laserdisc and the 2007 Anchor Bay Blu-ray.

Halloween (1978) Laserdisc-2007 Blu-ray Mono Comparison - YouTube

It's pretty obvious that the SF 2014 BluRay audio source was taken directly from the 2007 Anchor Bay release. Those two exhibit the same characteristics and are lacking in comparison to the Criterion mono mix.

[vailsy]

Originally Posted by hungrywives

Comparison between the Criterion Laserdisc and the 2007 Anchor Bay Blu-ray.

ok your new 2007 blu ray link answers my question above. so both 2007 and 2014 sound rubbish in comparison!

my other question about your recording method is still valid though .. since that would impact the quality

[happydood]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The amount of times people keep saying (unironically, natch) that remixed audio is just automatically “better”, as if that means anything, is getting silly. There are exceptions which even I’ll cede to, but 99% of the time I just don’t care for remixes and it’s got nada to do with just having TV speakers and no sound system, as even when I had the gear I deferred to the OG tracks wherever possible.

And I get that there is the stench of rank hypocrisy when it comes to loving 4K HDR but not remixed audio, but then I don’t claim that that’s “original” (like one of the turbine bods did when talking about their Atmos remixes) for as soon as something gets transferred to home video then it’s no longer “original” no matter if it’s SDR or HDR. All I’m concerned about is if it’s a tasteful update and I cannot say the same for remixes, especially as it’s FAR easier to relay original audio on home video than it is the original ‘look’ to the visuals.

This is not the place for this question, but since we're on it- if a remix is built from the original mix- how off will it be if I play it through 2 channels on my set-up? I know there are things added to enhance the separation and stuff, but should it theoretically sound close to the original mix?

[hungrywives]

Originally Posted by vailsy

ok your new 2007 blu ray link answers my question above. so both 2007 and 2014 sound rubbish in comparison!

my other question about your recording method is still valid though .. since that would impact the quality

That I can't answer because they're not my rips. I don't even have a Laserdisc player. I did check the files against my 2007 Blu-ray and both discs from the 2014 set and they sound equally filtered and muddy to my ears. Sorry that's the best I could do. Like I said earlier if anybody reading this is better at this sort of thing please give it a shot.

[vailsy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I get that there is the stench of rank hypocrisy when it comes to loving 4K HDR but not remixed audio, but then I don’t claim that that’s “original” (like one of the turbine bods did when talking about their Atmos remixes) for as soon as something gets transferred to home video then it’s no longer “original” no matter if it’s SDR or HDR. All I’m concerned about is if it’s a tasteful update and I cannot say the same for remixes, especially as it’s FAR easier to relay original audio on home video than it is the original ‘look’ to the visuals.

.. it's not really hypocritical of you to love 4K's since most of the time people want an authentic 4K experience with grain , and original audio is the sonic equivalent of that more or less ..

the ideal for pre 90's/noughties movies would be original audio with smart but not o.t.t restoration and original elements and that unfortunately is not available unless people start demanding it later, hence the need I guess to dial the clock back to laserdisc where possible for now

[vailsy]

Originally Posted by happydood

This is not the place for this question, but since we're on it- if a remix is built from the original mix- how off will it be if I play it through 2 channels on my set-up? I know there are things added to enhance the separation and stuff, but should it theoretically sound close to the original mix?

it really would vary from case to case.. some things might sound ok others not so much

it's not ideal but at least you would have original sound design in terms of sound assets, minus mix .. but yeah it wouldn't be very close to an original mix most of the time

for what it's worth i listen to all my discs that way though, in my case usually on headphones these days due to 'home circumstances' .. it can be interesting/revealing for lots of movies in order to dissect what they did, even though of course most movies are not designed for headphone listening it's still interesting

[BluProofie]

That email doesn’t outright say that it’s the same exact audio track. I’d wait for a response from SF.

[vailsy]

Originally Posted by happydood

Jaws was what sent me firmly into the original audio whenever possible camp

In my case it was Psycho .. but when I dug deeper and saw what they'd done to Jaws that definitely helped swing things

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by jstxanothrxstory

I don’t think they’d be ashamed of saying so if they were to use the laserdisc for the original mono. They were open about doing so for Return, and have been open about disclosing when they didn’t have original elements to work with (such as the Black Christmas replacement disc).

Not ashamed, because as you pointed out, they are using other LD sources (which everyone seems pleased about, if it is the best available). But they just might not want to say "Oh BTW, we used Criterion's laserdisc to source this" in the case of the first film. As I said earlier, there should be no legal issue with them doing so for the film soundtrack (versus "extras" like the commentary), but given how contentious that studio in particular can be, they just might not want to comment publicly on that one.

Could be totally wrong - it would be cool if we did know. Getting into more 4K titles, I'm starting to be more interested in original audio mixes, even though before I never really paid much attention and just used whatever the newest mix was. So I am very curious.

[Stanthecaddy019]

Originally Posted by vailsy

In my case it was Psycho .. but when I dug deeper and saw what they'd done to Jaws that definitely helped swing things

Any links on the Jaws issues? Did a search but couldn't find the background info. Thanks!

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Stanthecaddy019

Any links on the Jaws issues? Did a search but couldn't find the background info. Thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jFk9V36ufc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz32CwbiB1k

[King Crimson]

Does the Jaws 4K have the original mono track from this video?

[Jay H.]

Originally Posted by vailsy

In my case it was Psycho .. but when I dug deeper and saw what they'd done to Jaws that definitely helped swing things

Don't you mean, you "heard" what they did to Jaws for yourself?