Gangs of New York -reissue?

[quirkmanly]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

I inquired about the UK release several posts up, but I didn't get a response. Where does it differ from the Region A Blu-ray? Is it region free?

It's region locked and here are Sky Captain's feelings on the release.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

That certainly is not the case. I purchased this film because, first and foremost, Gangs of New York is a great film that is very worthy of being in my Blu-ray library. Secondly, this Blu-ray is of great quality and it's the best Gangs of New York has ever looked. We can't ask for anymore than that. As you said above, this is the closest we have in this world to Scorsese's original vision. I don't see how one can be disappointed in this release. It's by far better than anything we have previously seen. It's a great release.

You seemed to have completely and totally missed the point of my post. Congratulations! First, you say that "it's not the case" that you've purchased the movie because you're a big fan, only to follow up praising the movie. Then you say, "As you've said above" only to contradict what I've said above. Gangs of New York is nowhere near Scorsese's original vision (which I am concluding by comparing it to the original theatrical release). I've explained multiple reasons that "good enough" isn't so for many of us.

I'm glad you enjoy it, but I fail to see how you're unable to understand why many of us are unhappy about the release.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by quirkmanly

It's region locked and here are Sky Captain's feelings on the release.

Thanks man. I think it's safe to say that I will be keeping my Region A copy.

[Old Bones]

A polished turd may be super duper for you , were all glad for you , the rest of the world knows it's shit on a stick when a cool Popsicle is possible and expected

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by Old Bones

A polished turd may be super duper for you , were all glad for you , the rest of the world knows it's shit on a stick when a cool Popsicle is possible and expected

Oh give me a break. What a trolling and baiting post. And a post that couldn't be farther from the truth. The rest of the world doesn't feel that way thankfully, because it simply isn't true. Most people believe it or not, won't wait for a better version to come out. They will simply buy that one. And they'll be happy with it, because it is a better release than the standard DVD.

[GGX]

lol what I find the most amusing about Moviefan1203's posts is that he is hell bent on making everybody believe that this looks good on Blu. When its so obvious to everyone else that it doesn't.

Oh and I like how he ignored my last posts. As if he didn't know how to respond to them haha.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

Oh give me a break. What a trolling and baiting post. And a post that couldn't be farther from the truth. The rest of the world doesn't feel that way thankfully, because it simply isn't true. Most people believe it or not, won't wait for a better version to come out. They will simply buy that one. And they'll be happy with it, because it is a better release than the standard DVD.

Guess I'm not "most people". Anyone else here not most people and are waiting for a re-release?

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by GGX

lol what I find the most amusing about Moviefan1203's posts is that he is hell bent on making everybody believe that this looks good on Blu. When its so obvious to everyone else that it doesn't.

Oh and I like how he ignored my last posts. As if he didn't know how to respond to them haha.

There wasn't much to respond to GGX. You're obviously missing something that I am seeing. It's a solid Blu-ray, there is nothing to complain about. The Blu-ray release of Gangs of New York is the best this film has looked. Sometimes standards are held to too high of a standard, some of you in this thread is a good example of this. The Blu-ray is better than the DVD, be happy for that. Fortunately most people agree with me. Your average consumer isn't going to wait for a new transfer or master, when there is a rock solid Blu-ray of Gangs of New York sitting right on the shelf.

[GGX]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

It's a solid Blu-ray, there is nothing to complain about.

EE and DNR.

Your going to tell me neither of those techniques have been used on the Gangs Blu?

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by GGX

EE and DNR.

Your going to tell me neither of those techniques have been used on the Gangs Blu?

Just because they are used doesn't suddenly make it something you wouldn't want in your library. I never denied that there is a bit, but it doesn't take away from the fact that this is still the best the film has ever looked. Like I keep saying, it's a good release. I'm proud to have it in my library.

[SonOfArathorn]

Which just goes to show how you and "the average consumer" are the reason we are getting subpar products like this.
I would love to know what tv you're watching this on that makes it look so good to you. And DO NOT say "most" people agree with you because I've yet to talk to somene who owns this movie on BD, or has seen it that thinks it's even passable as a BD.

After re-reading your posts it seems like you've closed your mind to the possibility that you in fact are wrong in this case. Yes, it looks better than the DVD, but as has been said before "a polished turd is still a turd".

You keep repeating that "it's the best we can expect" and "it's better than the DVD, that's good enough" like some sort of idiot's mantra. I can only hope that you are not advising people in these matters.

Lastly, even if most people did agree with you that subaverage quality is acceptable how could you ever think that's a good thing? Somehow you do though, as you say "fortunately most people agree with me" a statement that is impossible to prove.

[GGX]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

Just because they are used doesn't suddenly make it something you wouldn't want in your library. I never denied that there is a bit, but it doesn't take away from the fact that this is still the best the film has ever looked. Like I keep saying, it's a good release. I'm proud to have it in my library.

And I keep saying its not a good release. Providing specific examples as to why.

[matthewrounds]

I’m going to give my two cents. I hate seeing people getting beat up for their opinion. I bought this movie last year and was excited to see this film on blu-ray. I then began reading the reviews and learned of edge enhancement, digital noise reduction, etc. I didn’t really know what any of these terms meant or visually displayed in a movie until I started paying a little more attention to the movies picture especially on second and third viewings. Having feared all these problems, I have yet to watch Gangs of New York. This is mostly due to the fact that because of the brutality of the movie I will most likely be watching it alone. Even if this movie suffers from extreme EE and DNR, it will still be a treat to own on blu-ray. I never owned this on DVD so for me this is the best the film has looked on a disc. There is also no guarantee when or if there will be a reissue. There have only been a couple of Disney reissues thus far so it is unlikely we will see one for this movie any time soon. If you are a fan of the movie or actors, excuse the snobs who complain excessively about EE and DNR and enjoy the film. It is the best presentation of the film that exists on disc to date.

Two points to close out my post:

1. EE and DNR are easier to view on blu-ray and clearly more apparent than DVD which is a distraction for me when I watch movies knowing these problems exist.

2. Nearly every blu could look better otherwise they would all get 5/5 PQ ratings. They are all going to look better than the DVD, but the degree to which they are going to look better is very subjective. Is it good enough for the blu-ray to solely contain better PQ than the DVD? The answer is clearly no, but Warner has been pushing this limit in a bad way with many of their catalog releases.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by matthewrounds

The answer is clearly no, but Warner has been pushing this limit in a bad way with many of their catalog releases.

I don't know if you were still talking about GONY in particular, but it's not a Warner release. Shockingly, it's Disney, which makes it even more disappointing since they typically turn out quality discs.

[broganreynik]

I'm truly baffled. I don't know how anyone could have read everything in this thread, and possibly other threads, and still, truly believe that the DNR/EE mess that is GONY is a solid transfer. IT ISN'T! Basically by your theory, there are no bad transfers on any Blu-rays, and we should all just be happy with watching these all on HDNet because it's better than a DVD. It makes sense to want to have the best that's available, but wouldn't it make more sense to want the best possible? If you come across a movie that hasn't even been out on DVD yet and they release it on Blu-ray, if it looks as bad as a DVD does that still mean it's a great transfer because it looks better than the VHS did? Please, honestly tell us how you can truly believe that marginally better than the DVD is somehow better than remaining true to the theatrical presentation. I don't mean just saying "it's the best out there" and it's "a solid transfer". I mean really express your thoughts. Otherwise I'm just thinking your posts are nothing but "trolling and baiting".

[perfectdark]

dunno... i watched it and thought the PQ was good but hey i like to watch movies and not sit there and critic every little scene and pixel

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by GGX

And I keep saying its not a good release. Providing specific examples as to why.

And I have told you over, and over, and over again why it is a good release. It is better than its standard DVD counterpart. Gangs of New York is in 1080p. It's the best it has ever looked. That makes it a very good release. It is as simple as that. I'm really starting to get tired of repeating myself here, come on man. We have told each other how many times our opinion on this release? Are we really going to keep beating this poor horse? It's a very good Blu-ray, but you disagree. You have told me why you think it is of poor quality, and I have told you why I believe it is of good quality. Is there much else we can discuss.

Originally Posted by broganreynik

I'm truly baffled. I don't know how anyone could have read everything in this thread, and possibly other threads, and still, truly believe that the DNR/EE mess that is GONY is a solid transfer. IT ISN'T! Basically by your theory, there are no bad transfers on any Blu-rays, and we should all just be happy with watching these all on HDNet because it's better than a DVD. It makes sense to want to have the best that's available, but wouldn't it make more sense to want the best possible? If you come across a movie that hasn't even been out on DVD yet and they release it on Blu-ray, if it looks as bad as a DVD does that still mean it's a great transfer because it looks better than the VHS did? Please, honestly tell us how you can truly believe that marginally better than the DVD is somehow better than remaining true to the theatrical presentation. I don't mean just saying "it's the best out there" and it's "a solid transfer". I mean really express your thoughts. Otherwise I'm just thinking your posts are nothing but "trolling and baiting".

I assure you that I am the farthest thing from a troll. I take great pride in my opinion as well as respecting yours. I may not see things the way you do, but I have tried my hardest to respect what you've been saying. Please give me the same amount of respect. From my very first post in this thread, I have been talking straight from my heart on this issue. This is what I believe with all of my being. It's a good Blu-ray that is obviously better than the DVD release. As long as Blu-rays have attained that goal of being better than their DVD comparison, then we should praise them. They then are the best the market has to offer. Now we all aware that there is some edge enhancement and digital noise reduction on this disc. That does not make it a bad Blu-ray, not one bit. Not every film is going to look the same, some are grainy and some are not. Both are good things for Blu-ray as well as film. Having one or the other doesn't make it a bad Blu-ray, what would make it a bad Blu-ray is it failing to be better than the standard DVD. Another way to fail as a Blu-ray is to be released in 1080i, that is an automatic fail no questions asked. In conclusion, the Gangs of New York Blu-ray is better than the DVD release. That makes it a solid Blu-ray that I am damn proud to have in my Blu-ray library.

Oh, and this is totally off topic, but I'm a big fan of your avatar.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

And I have told you over, and over, and over again why it is a good release. It is better than its standard DVD counterpart. Gangs of New York is in 1080p. It's the best it has ever looked. That makes it a very good release.

Casino Royale is a "very good release." GONY isn't anywhere near the same league. The problem is, you ARE speaking "from the heart," ignoring all technical information that says this is a crap disc. Every professional review would also disagree with you. A small difference in quality does not deserve praise. A D+, while better than a D, still sucks. Your argument then goes on to say that "not every movie looks the same." True, but EE and DNR are not how the film was shot, that was added later, so that argument, again, fails. T2, for example, will never look as pristine as other films because of the way it was shot. That is excusable. Post processing and tampering, such as what is abundantly present in the GONY disc, is something that has no reason, and no place, on Blu-ray.

To further dispute your argument, the 1080i T3 disc looks far better than GONY.

[Sussudio]

i think the PQ is average and am glad to have the entire movie on one disc vs two (dvd). would i like a better transfer? of course, especially for this movie which i believe can be much better. but do i think the current one is downright horrible? imo, no, and it doesn't bother me that much while watching it. i definitely wouldn't say it's an outstanding release, and just because it is better than the dvd doesn't mean it's the best the movie can look (imo). it juts means it is the best the movie HAS looked. if they rerelease it later down the line, awesome, but if not i dont feel completely cheated either.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by BStecke

Casino Royale is a "very good release." GONY isn't anywhere near the same league. The problem is, you ARE speaking "from the heart," ignoring all technical information that says this is a crap disc. Every professional review would also disagree with you. A small difference in quality does not deserve praise. A D+, while better than a D, still sucks. Your argument then goes on to say that "not every movie looks the same." True, but EE and DNR are not how the film was shot, that was added later, so that argument, again, fails.

To further dispute your argument, the 1080i T3 disc looks far better than GONY.

Again, this is your opinion and certainly not mine nor is it shared by everyone. Many of my family members and friends would also disagree with you. The important of Blu-ray is being better than DVD. Once it accomplishes that, the rest is all icing on the cake. This is obviously an opinion issue, so how long as we going to keep this going? We've all started our cases, and it really doesn't look like we are going to change each others minds.