Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[jusmu]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Started watching this the other day and my son asked why it didn’t have the original mono track. He was so disappointed he started vomiting uncontrollably. I tried to tell him the new release would have it but the night was already ruined.

I red this at morning coffeebreak in my job and started laughing and could not stop. Co-workers wanted to know what was so funny. This is their face after I explain

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[Vixen of the Night]

Originally Posted by Energy Crisis

This is just silly. The reason new viewers don't get scared anymore is it's a 40+ year old movie that time has rendered rather tame. That doesn't mean it isn't a great film still because it is, but of all the reasons it doesn't have the power to scare now that it once did, the sound quality of the mono mix doesn't even register.

While most casual viewers are not privy to audio details and stuff. They can sense something is "off" and not know what that is, and assume it's just the movie not working for them. But, put it on with the original mix and suddenly they might have a different reaction to the movie.

This movie was never about gore and the body count. It's all about suspense and terror, building up tension and atmosphere. Nothing more. Nothing less. Destroy the audio mix, and you destroy the film's intent.

So it's no surprise people wouldn't find it as intense/scary with the neutered audio tracks that have been available all these years. And most people are ignorant and don't understand this stuff, and thus will just spread the word the movie is "Cheesy/not scary/lame/tame/dated".

Some reaction videos watching the movie with friends/non-horror fans with the Criterion mono mix would be a fun idea, just to gauge how some people react to certain scenes and such.

[Jay H.]

I just want to make sure I completely understand what I'm reading.

People are arguing whether or not the updated sound mix is affecting the perception of a 43 year-old horror movie. Is that correct?

I'm at a loss.

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by Jay H.

I just want to make sure I completely understand what I'm reading.

People are arguing whether or not the updated sound mix is affecting the perception of a 43 year-old horror movie. Is that correct?

I'm at a loss.

You should try lossless audio. You’d understand the discussion better.

[DR Herbert West]

[dallywhitty]

I hate a guy with a car and no sense of humour.

[dvining]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

I hate a guy with a car and no sense of humour.

I hate people who don't know how to spell humor.

[JCRW82]

Originally Posted by Jay H.

I just want to make sure I completely understand what I'm reading.

People are arguing whether or not the updated sound mix is affecting the perception of a 43 year-old horror movie. Is that correct?

I'm at a loss.

Correct, same as how we are arguing that the color grading needs to look exactly like Illinois in Autumn to get the full impact of the film.

[Vixen of the Night]

Originally Posted by Jay H.

I just want to make sure I completely understand what I'm reading.

People are arguing whether or not the updated sound mix is affecting the perception of a 43 year-old horror movie. Is that correct?

I'm at a loss.

Well it's one important part of a movie. So it sounding lifeless and dull is sure to impact a persons feelings about the movie. If the original mix was intact all along and the only version released, and people found the movie less frightening etc today. Then, you'd be onto something.

[Jay H.]

Originally Posted by JCRW82

Correct, same as how we are arguing that the color grading needs to look exactly like Illinois in Autumn to get the full impact of the film.

Well, OF COURSE it does. After all, that's how it looked in theaters when it was released. It was over 40 years ago and I was five, but I remember exactly how it looked.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

I hate a guy with a car and no sense of humour.

You keep reminding me of my love of Annie and it just warms my heart.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by Vixen of the Night

While most casual viewers are not privy to audio details and stuff. They can sense something is "off" and not know what that is, and assume it's just the movie not working for them. But, put it on with the original mix and suddenly they might have a different reaction to the movie.

This movie was never about gore and the body count. It's all about suspense and terror, building up tension and atmosphere. Nothing more. Nothing less. Destroy the audio mix, and you destroy the film's intent.

So it's no surprise people wouldn't find it as intense/scary with the neutered audio tracks that have been available all these years. And most people are ignorant and don't understand this stuff, and thus will just spread the word the movie is "Cheesy/not scary/lame/tame/dated".

Some reaction videos watching the movie with friends/non-horror fans with the Criterion mono mix would be a fun idea, just to gauge how some people react to certain scenes and such.

I get what you’re saying, but I don’t agree. I really, really don’t think that a couple of sound effects in the remix or the lack of fidelity in the 2014 mono would effect someone’s viewing that much. I’ve seen the film theatrically a few times, most recently in 2018 a few weeks before the release of the latest film with an audience of mostly younger people. That time, it was a DCP of the 35th Anniversary transfer with the remix and the audience still loved it.

[vailsy]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

I’ve seen the film theatrically a few times, most recently in 2018 a few weeks before the release of the latest film with an audience of mostly younger people. That time, it was a DCP of the 35th Anniversary transfer with the remix and the audience still loved it.

...well to be fair they probably love listening to music on spotify over bluetooth on apple airpods pro and don't feel they're missing out

it's a vintage John Carpenter movie and pretty much all his movies have achieved cult status. The audience was there no doubt specifically to witness this. Clearly the audio fidelity is not going to be a dealbreaker under most circumstances but particularly not under those conditions.. unless there was no audio or very out of sync audio (or whisper quiet low audio, really ear splittingly loud audio, audio with interference all over it or if it was the Chinese dub or something)

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by dvining

I hate people who don't know how to spell humor.

Damn Yankee.

Originally Posted by BluProofie

You keep reminding me of my love of Annie and it just warms my heart.

Annie is an icon.

[DadHotel]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

I get what you’re saying, but I don’t agree. I really, really don’t think that a couple of sound effects in the remix or the lack of fidelity in the 2014 mono would effect someone’s viewing that much. I’ve seen the film theatrically a few times, most recently in 2018 a few weeks before the release of the latest film with an audience of mostly younger people. That time, it was a DCP of the 35th Anniversary transfer with the remix and the audience still loved it.

I'm gonna agree with you here. The average movie goer is not that precious. A lot of folks on here are very precious, because well, they're collectors. That said, whenever someone on here attempts to delve into the psyche of the average movie theater goer and how they interpret their viewing experience... they rarely get it right. I would even argue that some home media collector's aren't even that precious about what a given release retains from previous formats/editions/etc etc. They just like to have the movie in whatever form that can get their hands on. I saw the same 2018 theatrical rerelease as you and well... the audience did their audience thing. No one cried foul over a certain effect mixing from the mix or the color temperature etc etc. I still found that rerelease showing to be a wonderfully refreshing experience for a movie I've seen countless times on VHS, DVD, and Blu-Ray. That said, I do have Halloween I-III on pre-order and can't wait to listen to the mono mix and see the new transfer.

[dvining]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Damn Yankee.

*lives in South Carolina*

This means war.

[dylrichard02]

Originally Posted by dvining

I hate people who don't know how to spell humor.

One time I almost got into a fight, I made fun of the colour of my neighbour's car. He needs to find a sense of humour. Regardless, a fight would have been a trivial endeavour, considering I don't own any armour. I would only have to fight for the honour of my joke anyway, I most likely would've lost and earned no valour. I don't act so childishly now, I am on my best behaviour.

[dvining]

Originally Posted by dylrichard02

One time I almost got into a fight, I made fun of the colour of my neighbour's car. He needs to find a sense of humour. Regardless, a fight would have been a trivial endeavour, considering I don't own any armour. I would only have to fight for the honour of my joke, but I most likely would've lost and earned no valour. I don't act so childishly now, I am on my best behaviour.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

“Yes, we’ll gather at the river. The beautiful, beautiful river!”

[SpazeBlue]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Your post was from The Thing thread in response to someone else who asked about the Halloween mono.

I meant me saying that the DVD has the unfiltered mono was based on this post that you also quoted:

Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

What about the mono on the original DVD release ? there´s no Chace Productions logo on there
https://www.blu-ray.com/dvd/Halloween-DVD/116834/

I've corrected my other post.