Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[KubrickKurasawa]

Haddonfield 2: Get Geico

[Zapp Brannigan]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

Haddonfield 2: Get Geico

[Show spoiler]

Read that as Grieco...

[KubrickKurasawa]

Citizen Kane 2: The Quest for More Bud

Love NatTR Maybe Get Geico'd been better

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by steel_breeze

Hear hear. I label myself as an "original audio purist", but I got that way because those mixes sound better TO ME -- NOT because I was trying to set some arbitrary rule for myself. And this especially holds true for John Carpenter flicks. But I'm with you... if I hear a modern mix that sounds better TO ME (which is a big ask, 'cuz I usually go straight for OG audio) then I'll use that. Perfect example is the SF Blu-ray of John Carpenter's The Fog. Despite all my ranting and raving and soap-boxing about original audio, the mono mix included on that disc is just too crackly and all-over-the-place distracting... so I always choose the 5.1. Choice is everything.

Heck of it is, the 5.1 for The Fog is one of the most faithful remixes I’ve ever heard. No complete replacement of foley, no seemingly altered or missing music cues, no missing/drowned out dialogue, it’s pretty much OG everything opened up/steered into a subtly effective multichannel mix.

I prefer the 5.1 on Day of the Dead rather than the mono for the same reasons as you and The Fog: the mono is really rather bad, it’s sibilant as hell, and the corrected Arrow 5.1 mix (so the weird overdubs for bad language from the Anchor Bay remix are gone) is a fine alternative, and again it mostly contains OG music and effects. I even downmixed it back into mono just for shits and giggles.

If all remixes were like those, and that of Blade Runner Final Cut’s 2007 5.1 mix, i.e. performed with taste and restraint by people who want to respect the original without binning large chunks of it, then I wouldn’t be nearly as vocal about it as I am. But there are so many dodgy remixes that outweigh the respectful ones, if people still think them “BETTER” to their ears then there really is no debating that point; all I wants is the CHOICE, precious.

And BTW mine is not an anti-surround or anti-immersive crusade in itself, I miss having surround sound every damned day for the content that was natively mixed as such. (Though even when I had a 7.1 system I still listened to OG mono/matrixed surround via their respective speakers in that system wherever possible.) But while people are patting themselves on the back for scoring such a knockout blow as “you’re not listening to OG audio on new movies then, hur de hur hur”, bear in mind that I never said I was. I don’t “review” modern audio on modern movies for the very reason that I don’t have any kind of exterior sound system any more, so I don’t often comment on it either way, good or bad. Don’t mistake an apathy for remixes as an apathy for surround, but my ears simply cannae take it any more. Tinnitus, long term hearing damage, all caused by 20 years of aural abuse. It’s too much for anything other than an occasional trip to the cinema.

But what listening thru TV speakers does not do is magically turn an entirely revisionist remix into the OG, nor is my memory of the OG diminished by said TV speakers, as replaced/botched sound effects are still audible. Replaced/botched dialogue is still audible. Replaced/botched music is still audible. Plus the ol’ memory bank tells me when some or all of those things are missing entirely in whatever scene in a beloved movie. And with a new movie I have no other frame of reference aside from those rare cinema trips so I’m perfickly content to watch them on the TV with everything downmixed into 5.1, so the “OG”dialogue/music/effects are still present, just not in the layout intended. But again: since I got rid of my AVR and speakers two years ago I don’t comment on audio mixes for new films for that reason.

[vailsy]

Originally Posted by steel_breeze

Hear hear. I label myself as an "original audio purist", but I got that way because those mixes sound better TO ME -- NOT because I was trying to set some arbitrary rule for myself. And this especially holds true for John Carpenter flicks. But I'm with you... if I hear a modern mix that sounds better TO ME (which is a big ask, 'cuz I usually go straight for OG audio) then I'll use that. Perfect example is the SF Blu-ray of John Carpenter's The Fog. Despite all my ranting and raving and soap-boxing about original audio, the mono mix included on that disc is just too crackly and all-over-the-place distracting... so I always choose the 5.1. Choice is everything.

it becomes a problem of course when only one version of a soundtrack is included such as with The Thing 4k .. and when that newer mix does not translate well to smaller setups

i will be interested to see how Halloween translates for me and for others. thankfully there are no helicopters and arctic winds in Halloween for them to mess around with, but it's possible music could still sound a bit weird as it does with the Thing.. possibly because of this wall of sound effect that was mentioned where they spread some of the music to the height channels. Anyway we'll find out soon enough.. which will sound 'better' on modest home setups, the revisionist but immersive atmos mix or the original but filtered mono mix .... surely from a purely sonic perspective the former has an advantage in this case

[steel_breeze]

Originally Posted by vailsy

it becomes a problem of course when only one version of a soundtrack is included such as with The Thing 4k .. and when that newer mix does not translate well to smaller setups

Yes, absolutely agreed; hence the ending of my post: "choice is everything". The Thing breaks my heart; I believe I was the first one who raised the alarm about the new mix on this forum, so I wasn't even pre-disposed not to like it, since no one had complained about it yet... it just sounded "off" to me. I was actually hugely relieved when so many others had the same experience. (I have yet to be vindicated in my similar complaint about the mix on the new Almost Famous UHD -- much smaller sound field for the "live" performances that really neuters the effect on my system, compared with the old Theatrical DVD... but that's a discussion for another thread).

But yeah, The Thing is the ultimate example where forcing a modern mix on the consumer is forcing THIS consumer to continue to watch the old Arrow BD, despite the visuals on the new UHD looking stellar.

As for Halloween, I've watched it countless times with this so-called "filtered mono" mix, and I'll be very very happy to continue listening to that same mix on the new disc. Halloween's a Top Five title for me; can't wait.

[cuzzin]

Originally Posted by steel_breeze

As for Halloween, I've watched it countless times with this so-called "filtered mono" mix, and I'll be very very happy to continue listening to that same mix on the new disc.

It still baffles me how I'd never heard about this issue before this past month or so. I've been following the Complete Collection thread in the main forum for years and don't recall it ever being brought up there. (I'm sure it has, but it certainly was not with the fervor we've seen here recently.) The fact that the mono gripe appears to be a legitimate one makes it all the more surprising. But I guess when you've only known one version of the mono mix for the past couple of decades, it can be easy to forget that a better one existed -- that is if you ever knew at all.

[mar3o]

This is why I'm torn on the Black Christmas disc. The original mono sounds very harsh, with sibilance issues and scratchy sound (the replacement disc is supposed to improve the sibilance issues but not by much to my ears), whereas the surround mix sounds way, way better with no sibilance issues at all and nice, crisp sound - but it includes new sound effects in a number of scenes. And the surround track also falls out of sync later in the film and never recovers, so really the mono is the way to go for that disc, even though it sounds quite rough compared to the sonically superior surround track. But to somebody who has no ties to the original mono track or who hasn't even seen it before, the surround is a much better experience on that disc, which makes the sync issue extra frustrating, as the only alternative is a scratchy mono track.

I'm almost afraid to find out what our choices will end up being with Halloween.

[Jay Mammoth]

Uses the same mono track they used for their 2014 disc. I’m happy.

[hungrywives]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I'm almost afraid to find out what our choices will end up being with Halloween.

Whatever they come up with I can't imagine it'll be any worse than what happens at the 12 second mark here:

Halloween (1978) 2013 Blu-ray-2014 Blu-ray Mono Comparison - YouTube

[CreasyBear]

Hopefully they at least put the 2014 mono mix on the new set.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

Hopefully they at least put the 2014 mono mix on the new set.

They did.

[JCRW82]

Originally Posted by cuzzin

It still baffles me how I'd never heard about this issue before this past month or so. I've been following the Complete Collection thread in the main forum for years and don't recall it ever being brought up there. (I'm sure it has, but it certainly was not with the fervor we've seen here recently.) The fact that the mono gripe appears to be a legitimate one makes it all the more surprising. But I guess when you've only known one version of the mono mix for the past couple of decades, it can be easy to forget that a better one existed -- that is if you ever knew at all.

I think you nailed it with your last statement. Many of us were blissfully unaware of the Criterion Laserdisc version of this film. Why would we want to know anything about an old, niche format when DVD formats ultimately took over. I doubt many on this forum actually owned a Laserdisc copy on release date. I sure didn't, I was still watching movies on VHS like a majority of people.

Going back to original reviews of the 1999 Anchor Bay DVD release they gave that release A's across the board. They never compared it to the Laserdisc, only to the first DVD pressing from 1997 which got panned. It's lucky that a few of us managed to hold on to the Laserdisc release and create comparison videos to show that there is clearly an issue with the source that we have been listening to for all this time. It's amazing how information can be lost to the sands of time.

I'm amazed that no one has been complaining about how we are not getting the Extended Cut and the Broadcast TV Cut in 4K. They found all of those reels way back in 1999 and they were confirmed to be shot in Cinemascope.

[bobbyh64]

I’m looking forward to watching Halloween soon with the unfiltered LaserDisc mono. If this unfiltered mono was on the VHS or TV broadcast, I haven’t heard it in a long, long time.

[mad_max2000]

Originally Posted by JCRW82

I'm amazed that no one has been complaining about how we are not getting the Extended Cut and the Broadcast TV Cut in 4K. They found all of those reels way back in 1999 and they were confirmed to be shot in Cinemascope.

I could be wrong be I believe Cliff MacMillan confirmed that they weren't able to locate the actual film reels for the TV scenes and were forced to use SD footage. It's most likely that the footage was among those lost when Crest shut its doors.

[bokes]

Will these 4K versions include all the extras from the Complete collection discs ?
It’s a pain storing multiple copies when you have limited space

[Lotso]

Originally Posted by bokes

Will these 4K versions include all the extras from the Complete collection discs ?
It’s a pain storing multiple copies when you have limited space

I was going to ask the same thing. Will any of these new 4K versions have anything that the complete collection doesn't have except for being in 4K?

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Lotso

I was going to ask the same thing. Will any of these new 4K versions have anything that the complete collection doesn't have except for being in 4K?

Halloween
Bonus Features
DISC ONE (4K UHD):

NEW 2021 4K Scan From The Original Camera Negative, Approved By Cinematographer Dean Cundey
NEW Dolby Atmos Track
Audio Commentary With Co-Writer/Director John Carpenter And Actress Jamie Lee Curtis
Audio Commentary With Director Of Photography Dean Cundey, Editor Tommy Lee Wallace, And Actor Nick Castle

DISC TWO (BLU-RAY):

NEW 2021 4K Scan From The Original Camera Negative, Approved By Cinematographer Dean Cundey
NEW Dolby Atmos Track
Audio Commentary With John Carpenter And Jamie Lee Curtis
Audio Commentary With Dean Cundey, Tommy Lee Wallace, And Nick Castle
“The Night She Came Home” Featurette
“Halloween Unmasked 2000” Featurette
TV Version Additional Scenes
Trailers From Hell – Adam Rifkin On Halloween
Theatrical Trailer
TV Spots
Radio Spots
NBC Broadcast TV Promo
NEW Newspaper Ad Still Gallery By Drive-In Asylum
Still Gallery

DISC THREE (BLU-RAY):

Original Blu-ray Color Timing Presentation
Vintage Interview With Producer Moustapha Akkad
“Halloween: A Cut Above The Rest” Featurette
Halloween – The Extended Cut In HD (TV Inserts Are In Standard Definition)
NEW The Broadcast Television Cut (In Standard Definition, 1.33:1)

[Show spoiler]

Halloween II
Bonus Features
DISC ONE (4K UHD):

NEW 2021 4K Scan From The Original Negative Approved By Cinematographer Dean Cundey
NEW 2021 Dolby Atmos Track
Audio Commentary With Director Rick Rosenthal And Actor Leo Rossi
Audio Commentary With Stunt Coordinator Dick Warlock

DISC TWO (BLU-RAY):

NEW 2021 4K Scan From The Original Camera Negative Approved By Cinematographer Dean Cundey
NEW 2021 Dolby Atmos Track
Audio Commentary With Rick Rosenthal And Leo Rossi
Audio Commentary With Dick Warlock
“The Nightmare Isn’t Over – The Making Of Halloween II” Featuring Rick Rosenthal, Dick Warlock, Composer Alan Howarth, Director Of Photography Dean Cundey, Actors Lance Guest And Leo Rossi, And More
Horror’s Hallowed Grounds Revisiting The Original Filming Locations
Deleted Scenes With Optional Audio Commentary With Rick Rosenthal
Alternate Ending With Optional Audio Commentary With Rick Rosenthal
Movie Stills Gallery
Posters And Lobby Cards Gallery
Theatrical Trailer
Teaser Trailer
TV Spots
TV Promo
Radio Spots
NEW Newspaper Ad Still Gallery By Drive-In Asylum

DISC THREE (DVD):

Television Cut (In Standard Definition, 1:33:1)
Film Script (DVD-ROM)

Halloween III
Bonus Features
DISC ONE (4K UHD):

NEW 2021 4K Scan Of The Original Camera Negative Approved By Cinematographer Dean Cundey
NEW 2021 Dolby Atmos Track
Audio Commentary With Writer/Director Tommy Lee Wallace
Audio Commentary With Actor Tom Atkins

DISC TWO (BLU-RAY):

NEW 2021 4K Scan Of The Original Camera Negative Approved By Cinematographer Dean Cundey
NEW 2021 Dolby Atmos Track
Audio Commentary With Tommy Lee Wallace
Audio Commentary With Tom Atkins
NEW “Tricks, Treats And Terror: The Masks Of Halloween III” – An Interview With Justin Mabry Of Trick Or Treat Studios
“Stand Alone: The Making Of Halloween III: Season Of The Witch” Featuring Tommy Lee Wallace, Actors Tom Atkins And Stacey Nelkin, Stunt Coordinator Dick Warlock, Director Of Photography Dean Cundey, And More
Horror’s Hallowed Grounds: Revisiting The Original Filming Locations With Host Sean Clark And Tommy Lee Wallace
“Make-up From Scratch” – An Interview With Make-Up Effects Artist Tom Burman
Teaser Trailer
Theatrical Trailer
TV Spots
TV Promo
Radio Spots
NEW Newspaper Ad Still Gallery By Drive-In Asylum
Movie Stills Gallery
Posters and Lobby Cards Gallery

Halloween 4
Bonus Features
DISC ONE (4K UHD):

NEW 2021 4K Scan Of The Original Camera Negative
NEW 2021 Dolby Atmos Track
Audio Commentary With Actors Ellie Cornell And Danielle Harris
Audio Commentary With Director Dwight H. Little And Author Justin Beahm

DISC TWO (BLU-RAY):

NEW 2021 4K Scan Of The Original Camera Negative
NEW 2021 Dolby Atmos Track
Audio Commentary With Ellie Cornell And Danielle Harris
Audio Commentary With Dwight H. Little And Justin Beahm
“The Making Of Halloween 4: The Final Cut”
“Back To Basics: The Making Of Halloween 4” – A Two-part Featurette
Horror’s Hallowed Grounds – A Look At The Original Filming Locations
Theatrical Trailer
TV Spots
NEW Newspaper Ad Still Gallery By Drive-In Asylum
Still Gallery

Halloween 5
Bonus Features
DISC ONE (4K UHD):

NEW 2021 4K Scan Of The Original Camera Negative
NEW2021 Dolby Atmos Track
Audio Commentary With Actor Don Shanks And Author Justin Beahm
Audio Commentary With Director Dominique Othenin-Girard And Actors Danielle Harris And Jeffrey Landman

DISC TWO (BLU-RAY):

NEW 2021 4K Scan Of The Original Camera Negative
NEW 2021 Dolby Atmos Track
Audio Commentary With Don Shanks And Justin Beahm
Audio Commentary With Dominique Othenin-Girard, Danielle Harris, And Jeffrey Landman
NEW Long-Lost Alternate Opening Sequence Featuring The Appearance Of Dr. Death
NEW Extra Snippets Of Gore Cut To Obtain An R-Rating
NEW “Of Darkness And Shadows – The Cinematography of Halloween 5” – An Interview With Cinematographer Robert Draper
“Inside Halloween 5”
“Dead Man’s Party – The Making Of Halloween 5” – A Two-part Featurette
“On The Set: Behind-The-Scenes Footage”
Horror’s Hallowed Grounds – A Look At The Original Filming Locations
Halloween 5 Original Promo
Theatrical Trailer
TV Spots
NEW Newspaper Ad Still Gallery By Drive-In Asylum
Still Gallery

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[JCRW82]

Originally Posted by mad_max2000

I could be wrong be I believe Cliff MacMillan confirmed that they weren't able to locate the actual film reels for the TV scenes and were forced to use SD footage. It's most likely that the footage was among those lost when Crest shut its doors.

I think the only confirmation tied to the Crest scenario was the lost audio for Halloween 4 & 5. After a bit of digging it appears they found the Magnetic Master Tapes for 5, but for 4 we have the Laserdisc release to cover the audio.

The Crest lost content was used more or less as a blanket statement to cover what they may not have found yet. Cliff did a video interview 2 months ago and stated a few points why content may not be on these upcoming releases:

1. They did not get the rights and permission to include specific content. (Criterion commentary audio track confirmed by cmac).
2. Content may have been lost from all of the moving around from company to company. (Halloween 4 Audio Mag tapes confirmed by cmac).
3. They are still actively searching through vaults to try and find content - Cliff mentioned there were 4 vaults including one at UCLA where they found some content, but there is more material at each facility yet to be unearthed.

For all we know, the OCN reels of the TV Scenes could still reside at the lock-up storage facility at Trancas International where the elements were originally found.

[Kyle15]

Does the new Scream! Factory UHD 4k disc have any extras included?

Thanks!