Inglourious Basterds 4K UHD (2009)

[Member-496152]

Originally Posted by Casual_G4m3r

I cannot speak for studios, but it does sadden me when I am hoping a film will get a physical 4k release, but it gets a BD, and the 4k is only available on digital.

When Nashville did this it made me very sad, indicating we will not get a 4K release anytime in the future.

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by Crysist

Looking at the screenshots posted, I'm thinking the same thing. Modern releases that utilize the same master don't show a difference as clear as this. It looks excellent!

The shot of the farmer is a good comparison, showing the BD being softer. I wonder what caused the difference, why the original BD looks almost... mediocre with the same 2k master? Less-good compression? Does the HDR punch it up that much?

My guess would be having access to the full anamorphic scans. The vertical resolution of a 2K anamorphic scan is basically 4K. If we can track down some of those effects shots we've been talking about for over a week, I bet we'll see a much more similar presentation.

Edit: Scratch that, it's mostly just the improved compression. I did some tests downscaling the 4K to 1080, and there's really not a huge difference.

https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/18050

Also, I guess I've already made this an infamous screencap, even though I was just trying to point out an anomaly, not decry the release as a whole.

Edit 2: I'm also not going to rule out the possibility that some amount of sharpening was used until I see frame accurate comparisons. That kind of thing is hard to judge when looking at two similar - but not identical - frames.

[TravisTylerBlack]

My friend has the exact same display + player that FAH uses (X900H + Sony X700M) so this afternoon I asked if I could drop by with my copy of this UHD to test the forced Dolby Vision theory.

Welp. As expected I can confirm that yes, Basterds (and most other titles we looked at) does indeed look like absolute @$$ when faux DV is applied - the resulting image was a totally blown out, unattractive mess. No wonder Jeff thinks this disc is terrible, his player settings are obliterating anything resembling accuracy.

If he indeed does this with all HDR10 material (on top of whatever additional "enhancements" he has switched on) then I think we have our answer as to why he so often seems to be looking at an entirely different transfer than the rest us. With Dolby Vision turned off the film looked fairly close to the way it does when played through my UB820 on my X900F - that is, very very nice.

Is this the most dramatic upgrade in the history of UHD? Not at all. Is it a tasteful and pleasing transfer? Certainly.

[johnnyringo7]

Originally Posted by cuzzin

lol

What an as$hole! FAH's preaching is paying off, the damage is done.

[KubrickKurasawa]

I wasn't going to buy it anyway guys, calm down!

Adolf lost the war...my 5th-grade teacher ruined the ending about 30 years b4 it was released.

[AnimalCMan]

Originally Posted by TravisTylerBlack

Is this the most dramatic upgrade in the history of UHD? Not at all. Is it a tasteful and pleasing transfer? Certainly. But with confidence my friends.

I had no idea there was someone trashing this release until I checked out the thread, but like you I also thought this looked great. I’m not an expert in studying just how much of an upgrade a film has in 4K, but I trust my eyes and they tell me this film is definitely an upgrade over the blu-ray.

Colors are much more vibrant and that added depth I notice in 4K is also present. The image is clear and detailed and I could even spot film grain, which tells me this hasn’t been heavily manipulated digitally. Not sure what more a fan of this film could want in a 4K presentation.

[Joseph Goodman]

Originally Posted by wright96d

Edit: Scratch that, it's mostly just the improved compression. I did some tests downscaling the 4K to 1080, and there's really not a huge difference.

https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/18050
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Don't forget the possibility of differing levels of low-pass filtering (or complete absence thereof) between the two, another factor in how a UHD disc of a 2K DI can improve on a standard Blu-ray, despite being merely an "upscale".

[Rusty100]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

[Show spoiler]




4K:


BD:



4K:


BD:

lmfao. it looks really great.

Originally Posted by wright96d

Edit: Scratch that, it's mostly just the improved compression. I did some tests downscaling the 4K to 1080, and there's really not a huge difference.

https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/18050

I mean, if you wanna ignore the high frequency detail lost.

[j128v897]

Just finished watching this. It’s a great upgrade from the blu. People saying this is a bad transfer don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by Joseph Goodman

Don't forget the possibility of differing levels of low-pass filtering (or complete absence thereof) between the two, another factor in how a UHD disc of a 2K DI can improve on a standard Blu-ray, despite being merely an "upscale".

Do you have a specific release in mind that could illustrate this?

Originally Posted by Rusty100

I mean, if you wanna ignore the high frequency detail lost.

Well, sure, yeah. But it's mostly just noise. Not really any actual details being lost. And I can't even see the difference once I'm more than a foot away from my monitor.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by wright96d

Do you have a specific release in mind that could illustrate this?

Well, we don't know for sure if x Blu was filtered as we weren't there. But I've lost count of the amount of upscales I've seen that offer a distinct boost in spatial detail vs the 1080p equivalent, and as upscaling is not magick then the Blu having been filtered is as likely a cause as any.

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Well, we don't know for sure if x Blu was filtered as we weren't there. But I've lost count of the amount of upscales I've seen that offer a distinct boost in spatial detail vs the 1080p equivalent, and as upscaling is not magick then the Blu having been filtered is as likely a cause as any.

I guess my question isn't if you know for sure that a specific 4K release of a 2K DI has a lack of filtering, but if you know of any, where the improvement is clearly down to something other than just the difference between scan resolution vs output resolution, or compression differences. That's usually what I look for when comparing upscales. But then again, I never knew filtering was a thing to look for.

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by Joseph Goodman

Don't forget the possibility of differing levels of low-pass filtering (or complete absence thereof) between the two, another factor in how a UHD disc of a 2K DI can improve on a standard Blu-ray, despite being merely an "upscale".

Still, merely an upscale as a sentence or concept should still be lambasted as totally irrelevant no matter what context it's being used in.

Truly it is like we stepped back into 2018. It's always spurred by random outside elements. We might want to consider ignoring when they post. They are derailing and setting back settled debates and education on all this stuff. Just lingering further doubt into members who are on the fence, biased toward not purchasing because of their hip wallets when all this doubting language is used.

Stop feeding the concern trolls.

[Angry Virginian]

US disc

Disc Title:     Inglourious Basterds
Disc Size:      95,738,877,102 bytes
Protection:     AACS2
Extras:         Ultra HD, BD-Java
BDInfo:         0.7.5.6

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00800.MPLS
Length:                 2:32:52.830 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   65,813,024,064 bytes
Total Bitrate:          57.40 Mbps

VIDEO:

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MPEG-H HEVC Video       49414 kbps          2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 10 bits / HDR10+ / BT.2020

AUDIO:

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DTS Audio                       Spanish         768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz /   768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio                       French          768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz /   768 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

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Presentation Graphics           French          10.806 kbps

[wright96d]

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by Angry Virginian

US disc

Disc Title:     Inglourious Basterds
Disc Size:      95,738,877,102 bytes
Protection:     AACS2
Extras:         Ultra HD, BD-Java
BDInfo:         0.7.5.6

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00800.MPLS
Length:                 2:32:52.830 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   65,813,024,064 bytes
Total Bitrate:          57.40 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-H HEVC Video       49414 kbps          2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 10 bits / HDR10+ / BT.2020

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         3517 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  3517 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS Audio                       Spanish         768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz /   768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio                       French          768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz /   768 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         24.828 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         31.958 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          29.195 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         15.799 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          10.806 kbps

And HDR stats

Maximum Content Light Level : 970 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 478 cd/m2

[OutOfBoose]

Originally Posted by wright96d

Your display may be clipping the highlights, but they're not clipped in the source.

Wrong shot. The one I'm talking about is when Trinity is seen sitting in a heli pilot seat looking at MMI.

UPD.


Find this shot on 4K.

[Rick Grimes]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

I wasn't going to buy it anyway guys, calm down!

Adolf lost the war...my 5th-grade teacher ruined the ending about 30 years b4 it was released.

I appreciate the artistic intentions of Tarantino. Basterds and Hollywood are cathartic, and to a lesser extent, Django also falls similarly has the same pedigree and story style. Very entertaining IMHO.

As to the 4K debate, while I may only be a novice in the field of PQ and the prepping (filtering/colouring/sharpening), a film for a BD release, one would assume improvements in fine detail would be due, most likely, to a DNR pass or two on the 1080pBD. And henceforth, the 2160pBD didn’t go through the same amount of scrubbing. Remember, Basterds was originally released on Blu in the early days of BD, back when films like The Thing and the original Gladiator release (what a travesty), we’re DNR’d and DNR’d to death, respectively.

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by Rick Grimes

Remember, Basterds was originally released on Blu in the early days of BD, back when films like The Thing and the original Gladiator release (what a travesty), we’re DNR’d and DNR’d to death, respectively.

Sure, but brand new films with 2K DIs rarely suffered the same fate.

[Rusty100]

Originally Posted by OutOfBoose

Wrong shot. The one I'm talking about is when Trinity is seen sitting in a heli pilot seat looking at MMI.

UPD.


Find this shot on 4K.

It's 100% the colour grade and not the HDR clipping anything. They're not blown out. The new grade just kinda flattens out the highlights around the letters a little. Here it is at hdr > sdr 200 nits.

[OutOfBoose]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

It's 100% the colour grade and not the HDR clipping anything. They're not blown out. The new grade just kinda flattens out the highlights around the letters a little. Here it is at hdr > sdr 200 nits.

I didn't say it's HDR clipping anything. I was making a point that sometimes the masters blow out highlights or crush shadows and it's part of the source, not HDR->SDR conversion. Like it was speculated about the beard screenshot from IB a few pages back.