Official Terminator Thread

[MacDaddyOJack]

I wasn't that impressed with the sound. It was good, but just average for an action movie I thought

[Mike53421]

Went for a second viewing last night, although good the cheese REALLY stood out (near-full crowd). Near the beginning there's one scene where Bale almost roars "this is JOHN CONNORRRRRRR" while casually making a call over the radio. I enjoy him as Batman but can even admit in the Maroni scene his roar was excess... not sure what's happening with his angry voice but it needs adjustments.

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by MacDaddyOJack

I wasn't that impressed with the sound. It was good, but just average for an action movie I thought

What?! All that bass has finally destroyed your ears.

Almost everybody in this thread has said the sound was incredible - Nooooo, not you! Not good enough for you! To you it's just AVERAGE, guess every other movie this summer was just incredible to you - Well GOOOOD FOR YOOOOU!

[MacDaddyOJack]

Well I certainly wasn't let down, but I guess I had high expectations after hearing what everyone else said about the audio track. I saw Transformers and War of the Worlds in the same theater and I thought both of those were better.

I do remember being pretty impressed by the scene where that big walking robot with the motorcycle legs was wrecking stuff. His robot-roar was pretty robust too

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by DVDave

Skynet had almost no records of Sarah Connor's existence. It just knew the name and the date. The Terminator was just being systematic.

Because of the predestination paradox, everything that has happened to the timeline by traveling back in time was always supposed to happen the way it is. They are in a temporal causality loop. There are no tangential intersecting timelines..

then why was judgment day postponed?
if everything happened exactly how it was supposed to then judgement day would have happened on august 29, 1997 not 2004. SOMETHING changed, obviously the timeline isn't immune to changes.

and also in the undisrupted timeline, sarah connor did not try to blow up buildings and spend years in mental correctional hospital, so originally it made sense that skynet wouldn't know much about her, but after the terminator and terminator 2 events transpired there were much much more files on Sarah and it is understandable for skynet to now know who she is, as well as them knowing of kyle because of all the files she has on her about her talking about the future and skynet itself and kyle, etc.

Now you're talking like you've been doing your homework on this timetravel stuff, but me, i know hardly anything about it, so i could be wrong about all that, but it makes sense to me, unless there is something with the theory of timetravel that can disprove it, but really its just a theory so we know absolutely nothing concrete about time travel. everything we know is 100% pure speculation, so our theories could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Diesel

oh man.....internet shame lasts forever

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-261398


this lady is "appalled" because arnold was naked in the new movie
yea....because arnold was really naked in the movie....

Her necks are apalling. Yick.

[Sussudio]

i'm not sure if this has been brought up in here or not, but i came across this article today which i thought was great. FYI: the title is not meant as a criticism of the movie; it aims to show people why their expectations should not be based solely on the original terminator movies. check it out:

Why Terminator Salvation Isn't a Terminator Film

[ScarredLungs]

Originally Posted by Sussudio

i'm not sure if this has been brought up in here or not, but i came across this article today which i thought was great. FYI: the title is not meant as a criticism of the movie; it aims to show people why their expectations should not be based solely on the original terminator movies. check it out:

Why Terminator Salvation Isn't a Terminator Film

Interesting Article. Thanks for the Link. I agree with some parts of what was said.

[Diesel]

interesting article

while i disagree with him about the memorable quality of connor (it was memorable to me), i do agree with him, this isn't a normal terminator film, which i'm glad because that formula was getting stale and i applaud mcg for trying something knew.

But he kind of through me in the last sentence when he didn't seem to understand the meaning of the title Terminator Salvation. Unless I comprehended what he was saying at the end incrorrectly.

i'm also glad that he didn't call john connor the protagonist of the 2nd and 3rd films like most do, because he wasn't. The T-850 and Uncle Bob drove those stories in those movies, not Connor. Actually i've yet to feel connor as the real protagonist in any of his three films yet, i'd say marcus was easily the one who drove this story this time, not Connor.

[Mike53421]

Interesting response in the comments of that article...

CJF · 1 day ago

"No John Connor love...Unfortunately, with all the build up that we’ve been given of what John Connor would become, he’s kind of a let down. He wasn’t bad ass or memorable in anyway. "

I think people like you are really missing the deeper message in this movie. The underlying story is all about how the one character with real love and heart was the machine, Marcus Wright.

The characters, including John Connor were designed to be dull and lifeless throughout the movie. Let me emphasize: THIS WAS BY DESIGN, not a mistake by the director. 15 straight years of war had made all the human beings lose their humanity. Marcus Wright did not grow up in a post-apocalpytic world and even he, a criminal in his time, was more human and had more "heart" than anyone living in the current world.

John Connor had not yet become the great hero portrayed in visions of earlier movies because he had yet to learn to discern what real humanity is. He finally learned this at the end of the movie, and gained Marcus's "heart", both physically and metaphorically. This is the final enabler that will prepare him as the true leader of the resistance, unlike Ironside's character who gave up his humanity and, in the end, his life and position in the resistance.

The drab, gray landscape, the quarrel between the gas station tribe about giving food, the ignorance of Kate Brewster's pregnancy and the lifeless characters (other than Marcus) were all BY DESIGN to contrast how mankind lacked the humanity to succeed.

When I walked out of the theater, I thought the way you do, "oh what an uninspiring, mess of a movie". Now, I've begun to understand the hidden message here. In my revised opinion, I now believe this movie is the best of the entire Terminator series because it has a deeper message than the previous films. To me it is not a popcorn thriller like T1-T3, but an intense examination of the heart of a human being.

So please, think a little deeper at the hidden message of this film. McG has taken "Terminator" a step further than Cameron ever could.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Mike53421

Interesting response in the comments of that article...

i like the way that guy thinks

[Daredevil666]

Strange feature indeed. I myself agree Marcus drives the story here. There's a good reason : he becomes Connor at the end. Watch the ending again. It's not what you think.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Diesel

i like the way that guy thinks

uh huh

[Locklain]

Originally Posted by dvdvision

Strange feature indeed. I myself agree Marcus drives the story here. There's a good reason : he becomes Connor at the end. Watch the ending again. It's not what you think.

Hmm, I must have missed something because it seemed pretty cut and dry to me. Although I have had some kind of headcold for the last few days so I may have missed it. Might have to go check it out again.

[anomynous]

Originally Posted by dvdvision

Strange feature indeed. I myself agree Marcus drives the story here. There's a good reason : he becomes Connor at the end. Watch the ending again. It's not what you think.

That's the original ending, not the one in the movie.


Even though the one in the movie is vague, so it is quite possible that's still true, and they're saving it for some plot twist later on.

[statikcat]

Originally Posted by DVDave

Remember this is a predestination paradox which says that time is immutable. Miles Dyson was killed before he could finish his work and the CPU chip and the endo arm were destroyed. These events are supposed to effect the causality of the timeline. Judgment Day was going to happen but it gets postponed because it was supposed to get postponed. According to the laws of the predestination paradox traveling back in time and causing certain events to happen were ordained to happen because these events occurred already in the past. It's the self-fulfilling prophecy of the paradox.

Now, if you were to go back in time and try to kill yourself before you are born and you *succeeded* you would not simply vanish or be erased from existence (or disappear from a photograph like in Back to the Future) because at that point the Grandfather paradox dictates that you have just created a new intersection point in the spacetime continuum that now exists tangential to the timeline you originally came from. In this alternate timeline, or "thread" if you will, you will not be born but you will continue to exist from the point in which you arrived. This is what Skynet was attempting to achieve by sending a terminator back and killing Sarah Connor but it did not anticipate that it actually created (or was simply fulfilling) a temporal causality loop resulting in a predestination paradox in which it was responsible for its own creation and the causality of events to precede it.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by DVDave

Remember this is a predestination paradox which says that time is immutable. Miles Dyson was killed before he could finish his work and the CPU chip and the endo arm were destroyed. These events are supposed to effect the causality of the timeline. Judgment Day was going to happen but it gets postponed because it was supposed to get postponed. According to the laws of the predestination paradox traveling back in time and causing certain events to happen were ordained to happen because these events occurred already in the past. It's the self-fulfilling prophecy of the paradox.

Now, if you were to go back in time and try to kill yourself before you are born and you *succeeded* you would not simply vanish or be erased from existence (or disappear from a photograph like in Back to the Future) because at that point the Grandfather paradox dictates that you have just created a new intersection point in the spacetime continuum that now exists tangential to the timeline you originally came from. In this alternate timeline, or "thread" if you will, you will not be born but you will continue to exist from the point in which you arrived. This is what Skynet was attempting to achieve by sending a terminator back and killing Sarah Connor but it did not anticipate that it actually created (or was simply fulfilling) a temporal causality loop resulting in a predestination paradox in which it was responsible for its own creation and the causality of events to precede it.

but if it was supposed to get postponed and always happen in 2004
why is the original date given as august 29, 1997
if it was never meant to happen on that day why did it originally?
or is something just not clicking for me?

also, are we assuming that the terminator timeline is circular based on the evidence for it or that it was stated to definitively be circular?

is there a possibility that the timeline could be linear?

[Diesel]

screw you james cameron
screw you



i need to do more time travel / paradox homework when i get free time to be able to understand this all more clearly

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by Diesel

i need to do more time travel / paradox homework when i get free time to be able to understand this all more clearly

There is nothing to understand - the director of T3 didn't want his movie to take place in 1997 so they came up with this "postponed" cr@p - and totally confused and convulated the story.

That's it.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

There is nothing to understand - the director of T3 didn't want his movie to take place in 1997 so they came up with this "postponed" cr@p - and totally confused and convulated the story.

That's it.

i think i'm just going to roll with it and enjoy the films

timetravel is too complicated