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AnimeOnBlu · 06-01-2009, 05:46 AM

Jeff,
I have a really weird question. Would you happen to know if Sony is using the proper theatrical subtitles or the lesser accurate DVD subtitles for Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? Thanks

Jeff Kleist · 06-01-2009, 06:39 AM

I could swear Crouching Tiger had 2 sub tracks, the proper subtitle and the dubtitle as CC for the dub track

It's been awhile, I actually have the region 3 disc that was released about a week after the US theatrical release so I never owned the US disc

Penton might be able to get you a better answer on that. What is the specific innaccuracy?

MerrickG · 06-01-2009, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Lots of Sony catalog was delayed because of various reasons, some because of less than optimal masters

It'll come out sooner or later

WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT!!!

Blurays with less than optimal PQ. That is.

HeavyHitter · 06-01-2009, 01:59 PM

Good to hear Sony delaying releases because of issues with masters. I never mind the studio taking their time to get things right.

Jeff, any word on The Crow coming to the U.S.?

Nick Graham · 06-01-2009, 06:53 PM

Jeff, with the batch of 80s catalog titles from Sony just announced, I notice only Starman has no announced extras, despite Sony releasing an SE of the title in Europe with a Carpenter commentary and other extras - extras that were never put into the US release reportedly do to marketing decisions. What are the chances we can get Sony to put those extras on the Blu release?

benzgrl · 06-01-2009, 07:09 PM

Hi - Is there a date on the release of Logan's Run yet? And any idea how well the Blu upgrade will be?

captveg · 06-01-2009, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

We're not even halfway through the year yet, I really wouldn't worry about it

Oh, I'm not actually worried about it. I added the

for comedic purposes.

Jeff Kleist · 06-01-2009, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Jeff, with the batch of 80s catalog titles from Sony just announced, I notice only Starman has no announced extras, despite Sony releasing an SE of the title in Europe with a Carpenter commentary and other extras - extras that were never put into the US release reportedly do to marketing decisions. What are the chances we can get Sony to put those extras on the Blu release?

Starman sold poorly on DVD in the US, never prompting them to do a reissue with the bonus. It's always been much bigger in Europe. I'd bet those extras are on there, if for no other reason than selling the same disc everywhere

The Crow needs new masters, and in my book more time=more time to tell Pressman to go to hell and get Proyas to release his 2-hour on-set documentary

Logan's Run is tied to the on-again, off-again remake.

horseflesh · 06-01-2009, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Sony is not hot on TV on Blu right now, because the category isn't doing so hot overall.

I expect them to wait at least another year, but the mastering is done

So, does that mean you know the answer to the question??

Jeff Kleist · 06-01-2009, 08:40 PM

Mastering is done as in they have HD masters in the archive that can be used for Blu-ray

horseflesh · 06-01-2009, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Mastering is done as in they have HD masters in the archive that can be used for Blu-ray

And they can manipulate it however they want for a Blu-ray release?
i.e. 4:3 (please!) of 1.78:1 (because it's just got to fill up my expensive new big wide TV)
Do you know if that decision has been made yet?
And why couldn't they give the option of both on the Blu-ray release??

Jeff Kleist · 06-01-2009, 10:16 PM

If they followed standard practice, 4:3 and 16:9 tilt-n-scan masters have been created. Some people have claimed there's actually extra footage on the sides on Seinfeld, I've never been a fan of the show so I couldn't say one way or the other.

They could give the option of both. If it's a center extraction, doing some black overlays for the extra width would be quite simple, if it's not, then they would have to do everything twice

NL197 · 06-01-2009, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horseflesh

And they can manipulate it however they want for a Blu-ray release?
i.e. 4:3 (please!) of 1.78:1 (because it's just got to fill up my expensive new big wide TV)
Do you know if that decision has been made yet?
And why couldn't they give the option of both on the Blu-ray release??

I doubt they could change it how ever they wanted very easily, because so much went into modifying each shot in every episode - cropping some vertically, cropping only the bottom off some, the top off others, and the 'opening up' of almost every shot in some form or another.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

ISome people have claimed there's actually extra footage on the sides on Seinfeld, I've never been a fan of the show so I couldn't say one way or the other.

They could give the option of both. If it's a center extraction, doing some black overlays for the extra width would be quite simple, if it's not, then they would have to do everything twice

It was never just a straight-forward frame expansion to widescreen, probably because they wanted to avoid the kinds of issues seen on the expanded Buffy and ANGEL episodes.

They clearly put a lot of effort into it, and it really does look quite good.

There are several examples in various forums of the 4:3/16:9 comparisons, and I'll look for some to post here.

NL197 · 06-01-2009, 10:28 PM

As you can see, every scene was expanded as well was cropped to achieve the 16:9 frame.

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/hdtv...d-finally.html

http://popcritics.com/2008/09/seinfe...real-hd-on-tbs

PeterTHX · 06-02-2009, 03:58 AM

I was amazed how Hogan's Heroes (an otherwise forgettable TV series) looked in 16x9 1.78.

There were shows that were composed for widescreen back in the 50's/60's waiting for the day TV went wide as film had recently done.

A lot of those shows were also pretty center composed, because the TVs of the day cropped a whole lot due to overscan.

For the record though, I prefer to see the entire frame as intended. Unnecessary cropping to "fill the screen" is always unacceptable. I wish they'd leave the IMAX films at their OAR for example.

Jeff Kleist · 06-02-2009, 05:15 AM

Virtually all IMAX films are protected for 1.78:1, at least the ones that have experienced DPs

Transformers 2 is like the Dark Knight in that the protection goes down the pipe, and will likely receive a Dark Knight style release

Esox50 · 06-02-2009, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Transformers 2 is like the Dark Knight in that the protection goes down the pipe, and will likely receive a Dark Knight style release

You mean a Lossless track with overblown bass?

Esox runs for cover...

Alan Gordon · 06-02-2009, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NL197

They clearly put a lot of effort into it, and it really does look quite good.

Indeed! I expected it to look terrible... but I am very impressed with the "cropped version". I'm generally a big believer in OAR, but I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer the "cropped version" of "Seinfeld." I agree that I'd love the option of both... even if it cost a little more.

~Alan

dcowboy7 · 06-02-2009, 07:07 PM

Yea when u see a seinfeld ep still in 4x3 it just looks so squezzed in now compared to the 16x9 eps.

When they finally go blu 16x9 is the way to go for the shows.

cjamescook · 06-02-2009, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NL197

As you can see, every scene was expanded as well was cropped to achieve the 16:9 frame.

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/hdtv...d-finally.html

http://popcritics.com/2008/09/seinfe...real-hd-on-tbs

I still remember the words of PaidGeek: "I'm sure Seinfeld is just as funny in HD [as in SD]."

06-01-2009, 10:28 PM	#5834
NL197 Senior Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Ontario, Canada Blu-ray collection:46 Blu-ray reviews:3	As you can see, every scene was expanded as well was cropped to achieve the 16:9 frame. http://forums.highdefdigest.com/hdtv...d-finally.html http://popcritics.com/2008/09/seinfe...real-hd-on-tbs Last edited by Deciazulado; 06-02-2009 at 01:05 PM. Reason: centering

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06-01-2009, 05:46 AM	#5821
AnimeOnBlu Contributor Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:USA Trading Score:1	Jeff, I have a really weird question. Would you happen to know if Sony is using the proper theatrical subtitles or the lesser accurate DVD subtitles for Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? Thanks

06-01-2009, 06:39 AM	#5822
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	I could swear Crouching Tiger had 2 sub tracks, the proper subtitle and the dubtitle as CC for the dub track It's been awhile, I actually have the region 3 disc that was released about a week after the US theatrical release so I never owned the US disc Penton might be able to get you a better answer on that. What is the specific innaccuracy?

06-01-2009, 01:59 PM	#5824
HeavyHitter Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Home Theater Gallery:4 Trading Score:154	Good to hear Sony delaying releases because of issues with masters. I never mind the studio taking their time to get things right. Jeff, any word on The Crow coming to the U.S.?

06-01-2009, 06:53 PM	#5825
Nick Graham Senior Member Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:345 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:1	Jeff, with the batch of 80s catalog titles from Sony just announced, I notice only Starman has no announced extras, despite Sony releasing an SE of the title in Europe with a Carpenter commentary and other extras - extras that were never put into the US release reportedly do to marketing decisions. What are the chances we can get Sony to put those extras on the Blu release?

06-01-2009, 07:09 PM	#5826
benzgrl Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Las Vegas, NV, USA Blu-ray collection:235 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:101	Hi - Is there a date on the release of Logan's Run yet? And any idea how well the Blu upgrade will be?

06-01-2009, 08:40 PM	#5830
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	Mastering is done as in they have HD masters in the archive that can be used for Blu-ray

06-01-2009, 10:16 PM	#5832
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	If they followed standard practice, 4:3 and 16:9 tilt-n-scan masters have been created. Some people have claimed there's actually extra footage on the sides on Seinfeld, I've never been a fan of the show so I couldn't say one way or the other. They could give the option of both. If it's a center extraction, doing some black overlays for the extra width would be quite simple, if it's not, then they would have to do everything twice

06-02-2009, 03:58 AM	#5835
PeterTHX Banned Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Blu-ray collection:563 Trading Score:14	I was amazed how Hogan's Heroes (an otherwise forgettable TV series) looked in 16x9 1.78. There were shows that were composed for widescreen back in the 50's/60's waiting for the day TV went wide as film had recently done. A lot of those shows were also pretty center composed, because the TVs of the day cropped a whole lot due to overscan. For the record though, I prefer to see the entire frame as intended. Unnecessary cropping to "fill the screen" is always unacceptable. I wish they'd leave the IMAX films at their OAR for example.

06-02-2009, 05:15 AM	#5836
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	Virtually all IMAX films are protected for 1.78:1, at least the ones that have experienced DPs Transformers 2 is like the Dark Knight in that the protection goes down the pipe, and will likely receive a Dark Knight style release

06-02-2009, 07:07 PM	#5839
dcowboy7 Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Pequannock, NJ 4K collection:7 Blu-ray collection:112 Trading Score:11	Yea when u see a seinfeld ep still in 4x3 it just looks so squezzed in now compared to the 16x9 eps. When they finally go blu 16x9 is the way to go for the shows.

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