Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I think the tree huggers would want streaming because of less material things.
Electricity can be made by wind, water, or sunlight and if electricity is all you need that seems in line with what a tree hugger would want.

see you just proved my point. People can easily see the bit of plastic in a BD and say carbon footprint, they can easily imagine the transport that brings it from where it was made to you r home and its carbon footprint.....

But they miss data centers have computers to feed stuff and drives to hold the content, and those machines constantly need upgrading and replacing, they miss those machines need to be in a controlled (for dust, temperature and humidity) and those systems need power in many form to work. That there is not one copy on one machine in one data center but there needs to be copies in many local data centers to keep latency and reliability.......

and yes like you said there is electricity, but unless the grid everywhere is 100% green there is less pressure for datacenters and networks to be green.

Some things are cheap but still overpriced.

agree.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

You are missing the obvious

1) data centers are extremely lucrative businesses for gouvernment (techs with decent salaries, use resources that are taxed)

2) they are not the first thing people think of when thinking GHG (aka no one is asking for them to shut down to save the planet).


3) It is easy to fudge the carbon foot print to make it sound better then it is.
(i.e . we won't count the carbon foot print of the electricity because that is created by the power plant, we won't calculate the carbon foot print of the equipment and cabling because that is done from manufacturing plants.)


4) displacement makes it useless (i.e. let's say Greenia passes such legislation and data centers there close down they will just be expanded in neighboring Nogreenia, polutania.... so all Greenia did was lose some jobs, lose gouvernment income, may need upgrading of some transport infrastructure, annoy the electorate that might see a degradation of service.)

It’s either going to be business carbon rations or consumer carbon rations. It’s inevitable. Or maybe both. I don’t see a way out of it if we are to reduce emissions so drastically by 2030.

Data centres need to find some way of being carbon free or carbon neutral but the big streaming services also face another major hurdle. Carbon rationing/trading which I believe will be in place by the end of this decade. The entertainment industry then faces a whole new problem. They are currently global players but in a world where carbon rationing exists (and it will) priorities suddenly shift to more crucial aspects. For example, driving and heating. When people are rationed on their carbon consumption, luxuries like tv and film will see a huge fall off.
Maybe the government will try taxes first but I don’t see them working.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Belated happy new year to everyone.

Now that we are in a new year, it’s time for a new prediction. Data centre carbon caps will be enforced this year (by years end) throwing a massive spanner in future plans for Netflix, Disney+, HBO max and Amazon instant video. The future may not be streaming.

Happy New Year to you and to your family as well; you all deserve a much better one than what you had last year.

As it is a new year, I was hoping for a new prediction from you, but, alas, all we get is this old thread bare tired rerun. You can do better.

How about predicting the end of the pandemic this year; something that we would all like to see happen? Oh, how could I forget? Your predictions only foretell bad things.

I disagree with everything that you predict here, again, and that is all the energy, pun intended, that I plan to spend on the matter.

Streaming is not the future; it is very much the present, the reality, the norm, and the now. Same with online video gaming, which you curiously omit in all of your carbon cap rants; both require massive data centers. You may rest assured that neither are going anywhere but forward.

By attaching a date to your prediction all you have done is to open yourself up to future teasing. Allow me to play the future's market and say that you are completely wrong...today.

[PenguinInfinity]

Regardless of what happens in the future the discs we already have won't be affected. That's why physical media is the superior choice.

[Wendell R. Breland]

For those that like to use “tree huggers”, “sod busters” and other demeaning terms I have a suggestion. Do some research into how oxygen, that stuff you breathe, is created. When you put food in your mouth do you ever think about the whole process of its creation?

IMHO, home entertainment is a luxury, it is not a necessity. I love it and have invested quite a sum of money into over the years but I try to keep it in prospective.

[bhampton]

I didn't even register "tree hugger" as a bad thing because I think everyone is at least a little interested in trying to help the environment now.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Regardless of what happens in the future the discs we already have won't be affected. That's why physical media is the superior choice.

That and you know ... having a better version of the content is also kind of a big deal to me.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Happy New Year to you and to your family as well; you all deserve a much better one than what you had last year.

As it is a new year, I was hoping for a new prediction from you, but, alas, all we get is this old thread bare tired rerun. You can do better.

How about predicting the end of the pandemic this year; something that we would all like to see happen? Oh, how could I forget? Your predictions only foretell bad things.

I disagree with everything that you predict here, again, and that is all the energy, pun intended, that I plan to spend on the matter.

Streaming is not the future; it is very much the present, the reality, the norm, and the now. Same with online video gaming, which you curiously omit in all of your carbon cap rants; both require massive data centers. You may rest assured that neither are going anywhere but forward.

By attaching a date to your prediction all you have done is to open yourself up to future teasing. Allow me to play the future's market and say that you are completely wrong...today.

It has to either be taxes or rationing, my question is how rationing would affect the entertainment business we so love. It’s the only tools that governments have when we get closer to 2030.

Gaming? Gaming would also be at the mercy of carbon rations and it’s enforcement. It may not exist in other words.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I wonder too when the likes of Apple or Vudu are going to start charging for access to your digital movies (stuff you have bought on their cloud services). I can't expect that they will just eat the data center costs forever.

I doubt that digital sellers will ever impose an access fee for their customers and even if they were ever to do so they would likely waive that fee for customers that spend a certain amount per year.

As it is, the never ending sale of popular new blockbuster titles funds their enterprise well enough that they need not anger their customers with any fees. Every time that they sell a few million digital copies of the latest Marvel pablum it more than keeps their lights on.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Regardless of what happens in the future the discs we already have won't be affected. That's why physical media is the superior choice.

Sure it will. Carbon rationing would mean we would have to allocate some of our points towards consumption of entertainment.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You, gotmule, and bhampton are all smarter than me. You guys put most of your entertainment dollars towards buying high end hardware.

Do not agree. We just have different priorities. My relative low title purchase is directly related to Potential For Repeat Viewings (PFRV). I keep a record of most every title we watch and assign a number to PFRV for that title. We have watched many titles that were or more but PFRV = 0. Also own some titles with but PFRV = 3.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Regardless of what happens in the future the discs we already have won't be affected. That's why physical media is the superior choice.

Superior choice, yes, but sadly not the popular choice.

Steedeel's predictions don't just target data centers, but our ability to buy and use TVs, home theaters, pretty much anything with a power cord, and the production of new content itself. It's back to the caves and watching shadow puppet shows for all of us. If we can afford to light a fire, that is.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

40% of all the electricity produced in the USA comes from coal fired plants - the worst offender of climate change. You see any government intervention changing that? I don't.

Nope.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...-in-the-us.php

Fossil fuels are the largest sources of energy for electricity generation
Natural gas was the largest source—about 40%—of U.S. electricity generation in 2020. Natural gas is used in steam turbines and gas turbines to generate electricity.

Coal was the third-largest energy source for U.S. electricity generation in 2020—about 19%. Nearly all coal-fired power plants use steam turbines. A few coal-fired power plants convert coal to a gas for use in a gas turbine to generate electricity.

Petroleum was the source of less than 1% of U.S. electricity generation in 2020. Residual fuel oil and petroleum coke are used in steam turbines. Distillate—or diesel—fuel oil is used in diesel-engine generators. Residual fuel oil and distillates can also be burned in gas turbines.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Sure it will. Carbon rationing would mean we would have to allocate some of our points towards consumption of entertainment.

All our discs require is electricity. No first world country is ever going to ration electricity so much that we won't have enough to power our TVs and players (which are a very tiny percentage of total electricity used).

[Vilya]

He got the thread moving again, anyways. There's a joke there somewhere, but I'll leave it be.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It’s either going to be business carbon rations or consumer carbon rations. It’s inevitable. Or maybe both. I don’t see a way out of it if we are to reduce emissions so drastically by 2030.

Data centres need to find some way of being carbon free or carbon neutral but the big streaming services also face another major hurdle. Carbon rationing/trading which I believe will be in place by the end of this decade. The entertainment industry then faces a whole new problem. They are currently global players but in a world where carbon rationing exists (and it will) priorities suddenly shift to more crucial aspects. For example, driving and heating. When people are rationed on their carbon consumption, luxuries like tv and film will see a huge fall off.
Maybe the government will try taxes first but I don’t see them working.

I think people need to be more carbon conscient, I don't think data centers can ever be carbon free.

That being said let's go simple, there is a world wide basic carbon tax/credit
put in pace (by that I mean a tax on coal, Natural gaz, petroleum..... , and a credit on stuff like plants that remove CO2) that increases the cost of making a BD, that cost might be passed on to the consumer. That increases the cost of the datacenter, that cost might be passed on to the consumer (aka Netflix raises their cost) maybe the person will decide it is worth it and pay more or maybe not ( in the case of Netflix go to a cheaper package or drop it all together). Now if the electricity comes from green sources, then that stays fixed if it is from non-green sources then the electric bill might go up and the person can decide how he will ration his electricity or his car use....

In life we all need to make choices, legislation and costs might change the equations a bit but that is the most that they can do. there will never be legislation that says you are not allowed to watch a film.

[JohnAV]

Box Office: ‘Spider-Man’ Soars Past $600M Domestically; ‘King’s Man’ Beats ‘Matrix’ - Hollywood Reporter 1/2

Elsewhere, 'Sing 2' was the other big holiday winner as families began to return to the multiplex in force while 'Licorice Pizza' made headlines at the specialty box office.

Sony’s Spider-Man: No Way Home rang in 2022 in style, earning another $52.7 million over New Year’s weekend to become the 10th top grossing film in history with $609.9 million in domestic ticket sales, not adjusted for inflation.

Globally, the webslinger has set a slew of records, including becoming the first film of the pandemic era to clear a $1 billion threshold at the worldwide box office, a feat it accomplished without China.

Spider-Man is a huge win for Sony and starts off the new year on a positive note for Hollywood and theater owners. It’s the first film to do pre-pandemic level business even amid worries over the omicron variant.

Overseas, No Way Home added another $78.3 million to its coffers this weekend for a foreign tally of $759 million and $1.37 billion worldwide. The film now rank as the 12th highest-grossing movie of all time after passing up Black Panther ($1.35 billion). And on Tuesday, it passed up Spider-Man: Far From Home ($1.13 billion) to become the top-grossing Sony release of all time, unadjusted.

Universal and Illumination’s family Sing 2 was the other big Christmas win for Hollywood struggling film business. Now that kids ages 5 and older can be vaccinated, family films are picking up. Sing 2 stayed at No. 2 over New Year’s weekend with $19.6 million for a 14-day gross of $89.8 million. Disney’s Thanksgiving offering Encanto — which remains in the top 10 — finished the weekend with more than $90 million in the bank domestically.

Meanwhile, The Matrix Resurrections and The King’s Man both disappointed in their holiday openings.

Warner Bros. and Village Roadshow’s Matrix — which is also available on HBO Max — was especially mopey over New Year’s weekend as it got overtaken by both King’s Man and American Underdog, a Christian movie about NFL quarterback Kurt Warner.

King’s Man, from 20th Century and Disney, came in No. 3 with $4.5 million for a 14-day domestic total of $19.5 million and global showing of $47.8 million.

Lionsgate and the Erwin Brothers’ American Underdog grossed an estimated $4.1 million for a nine-day domestic total of $15 million.

Matrix Resurrections rounded out the top five with $3.8 million for a 14-day domestic tally of $30.0 million. The film fell notably more than any other title in the top 10 — or 64 percent — revealing the impact of a hybrid release on HBO Max.

The reboot is faring better overseas, where it is getting an exclusive theatrical release. The film’ foreign total stands at $75.1 million for a global cume of $106 million.

Steven Spielberg’s West Side Story continued to lag, earning $2.1 million for a domestic total of $39.6 million and $47.2 million globally. The musical opened in earlier December in advance of the holidays, but wasn’t able to find its holiday spirit.

At the specialty box office, Licorice Pizza stayed in the top 10, grossing $1.5 million in its second weekend of expansion for an early total of $6.3 million.

Spiderman Grosses so far
DOMESTIC (44.6%) $609,892,000
INTERNATIONAL (55.4%) $759,000,000
WORLDWIDE $1,368,892,000

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I didn't even register "tree hugger" as a bad thing because I think everyone is at least a little interested in trying to help the environment now.

I am not sure about that second part (I think there are people out there that don't care and even will go out of their way to be less green.


But I agree with your first part, but then again I am anti-political correctness (I believe even if someone does mean it in a demeaning way you should make it your own an empower the term or the only thing you accomplish is changing terms every so often)

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I doubt that digital sellers will ever impose an access fee for their customers and even if they were ever to do so they would likely waive that fee for customers that spend a certain amount per year.

As it is, the never ending sale of popular new blockbuster titles funds their enterprise well enough that they need not anger their customers with any fees. Every time that they sell a few million digital copies of the latest Marvel pablum it more than keeps their lights on.

Cinema now, target ticket...... I don't see lights there.

[Vilya]

I received a PM from a new forum member (completely unknown to me) that asks me if I would just give them the digital code that came with one of my blu-rays because it is a movie that they want to see.

People amaze me. I would NEVER randomly write to someone and ask them to give me their stuff. Does this happen to anyone else here?