8K discussion thread

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by lgans316

I think in 2-3 years time, we will see 8K streaming gaining some traction but in order for 8K to succeed, the content creators must start shooting in 8K and finishing in 8K.

Also consumers must be having 75=+ inches displays sitting at a reasonable distance to benefit from 8K.

Remember, most folks are struggling to find differences between HD Dolby Vision and 4K Dolby Vision streams on Netflix from a reasonable viewing distance because HDR is acting like a red herring.

Right now, 8K is just a marketing ploy anyway, and a reason to charge people an arm, leg and foot, that's if they're foolish enough to buy one. Without the 8K content, they're worthless because, an 8K TV can't do no more than what a 4K TV can do, that cost thousands of dollars cheaper. The 8K TVs are not flying off the shelves like the manufacturers thought, they would, and the only ones who're buying 8K TVs are the early adopters, who always want the latest and the greatest of every new technology, so they can say: I've got one.

[RalphoR]

I'm intrigued by 8k but until they actually have native materials to purchase/stream I don't really need an 8k TV. If a native 4k uhd disc gets an 8k upscale how much better will it look say on a Sony 75" Z9K? If there's a decent visual uptick I might cave.

[Lee A Stewart]

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[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by RalphoR

I'm intrigued by 8k but until they actually have native materials to purchase/stream I don't really need an 8k TV. If a native 4k uhd disc gets an 8k upscale how much better will it look say on a Sony 75" Z9K? If there's a decent visual uptick I might cave.

Eh, it's no different from watching a BD on a 4K TV: you shouldn't be seeing anything more/less than what's on the disc as long as the upscaling is competent. If you were to see an uptick between your current set and an 8K one showing the same 4K content it'd be due to the newer non-resolution-related display tech just looking betterer (backlight, colour gamut, contrast etc etc) rather than the 8K part having any intrinsic effect.

[RalphoR]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Eh, it's no different from watching a BD on a 4K TV: you shouldn't be seeing anything more/less than what's on the disc as long as the upscaling is competent. If you were to see an uptick between your current set and an 8K one showing the same 4K content it'd be due to the newer non-resolution-related display tech just looking betterer (backlight, colour gamut, contrast etc etc) rather than the 8K part having any intrinsic effect.

Then I really don't need an 8k TV at this time

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by RalphoR

Then I really don't need an 8k TV at this time

You are buying Sony 8K 'Z' series for nits and not for the resolution.

[RalphoR]

Originally Posted by lgans316

You are buying Sony 8K 'Z' series for nits and not for the resolution.

You're right. I might want to blow my eyeballs out

[nick4Knight]

There in lies the annoyance for me. That TV manufacturers may in time further tie the meeting of higher specs to 8K to justify increased price tags. When there is no difference between slapping 4000 nits on either 4K or 8K resolution, for that matter hitting P3 100% or rec 2020 80%.

Unless they intentionally gimp the lower resolution perpetually with current specs to favour the gouge. Even though the industry doesn't have content for 8K is the part that feels slimey.

[Waboman]

I dunno. That 85z9j is kinda cool.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Waboman

I dunno. That 85z9j is kinda cool.

If I were in the market for a Z9, I'd definitely wait for the Z9K at this point. That's just me though.

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

If I were in the market for a Z9, I'd definitely wait for the Z9K at this point. That's just me though.

Good thing I’m not in the market. Cuz I have no patience. Lol. As master Yoda once told me, patience. Nope. Going to the dark side.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Eh, it's no different from watching a BD on a 4K TV: you shouldn't be seeing anything more/less than what's on the disc as long as the upscaling is competent. If you were to see an uptick between your current set and an 8K one showing the same 4K content it'd be due to the newer non-resolution-related display tech just looking betterer (backlight, colour gamut, contrast etc etc) rather than the 8K part having any intrinsic effect.

I'm a person who did the first thing a lot.

Watching BD on 4K TV is something I've done on 2 different projectors.

Watching a Blu Ray on my new projector with 8K capability shouldn't be any "better" but I've been watching some that way and I think the fact the projector then outputs 240Hz effectively makes camera pans smoother without adding soap opera effect.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I'm a person who did the first thing a lot.

Watching BD on 4K TV is something I've done on 2 different projectors.

Watching a Blu Ray on my new projector with 8K capability shouldn't be any "better" but I've been watching some that way and I think the fact the projector then outputs 240Hz effectively makes camera pans smoother without adding soap opera effect.

As said, what an 8K display brings to viewing of sub-8K content isn't intrinsically related to the 8K part.

[bhampton]

Pretty much exactly like you said.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by RalphoR

Then I really don't need an 8k TV at this time

The easy answer is yes. But life is seldom easy.


If someone has a TV they are happy with should they run out and buy an 8k TV because theirs is only 4K? No

If someone has a 20 year old TV that just broke down and they want one that will be good for the next 20 years and they can afford it, 8k might be an interesting choice.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

The easy answer is yes. But life is seldom easy.


If someone has a TV they are happy with should they run out and buy an 8k TV because theirs is only 4K? No

If someone has a 20 year old TV that just broke down and they want one that will be good for the next 20 years and they can afford it, 8k might be an interesting choice.

The average consumer upgrades their main display in their home theater room every 10 years (8 years according to some sources), then either puts their old TV in a bedroom or sells it or gives it to charity.

If one already owns a 1080P or 4K display that they are happy with, the main reason people will not upgrade to 8K, is currently it is a waste of time and money until native 8K content arrives around the year 2026. Sure if ones TV were to break today and was not able to be repaired, people would consider 8K display as long as it is not 4 times the price of a high-end 4K display.

While I wish all TV’s would last 20+ years, the reality is even some of the high-end OLED and LCD flat panels will last no more then 10 years. Sure under ideal conditions one might get a TV to last 20 years if they have a high quality UPS with line conditioner or good quality surge protector connected. However the cheap 70+ inch TV’s people have been buying for under $500 sometimes only lasts up to 5 years before needing to be replaced.

[RalphoR]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

The easy answer is yes. But life is seldom easy.


If someone has a TV they are happy with should they run out and buy an 8k TV because theirs is only 4K? No

If someone has a 20 year old TV that just broke down and they want one that will be good for the next 20 years and they can afford it, 8k might be an interesting choice.

If you're used to a 20 year old TV and then upgrade to an 8k one I'd be afraid my head would explode.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The average consumer upgrades their main display in their home theater room every 10 years (8 years according to some sources), then either puts their old TV in a bedroom or sells it or gives it to charity.

If one already owns a 1080P or 4K display that they are happy with, the main reason people will not upgrade to 8K, is currently it is a waste of time and money until native 8K content arrives around the year 2026. Sure if ones TV were to break today and was not able to be repaired, people would consider 8K display as long as it is not 4 times the price of a high-end 4K display.

While I wish all TV’s would last 20+ years, the reality is even some of the high-end OLED and LCD flat panels will last no more then 10 years. Sure under ideal conditions one might get a TV to last 20 years if they have a high quality UPS with line conditioner or good quality surge protector connected. However the cheap 70+ inch TV’s people have been buying for under $500 sometimes only lasts up to 5 years before needing to be replaced.

the 20 years was just a number use what ever you think makes sense for "normal people" if it is 10 years and you think 8k will be here in 2024, like you said before, then most of the TVs life there will be content for it (which was my point)


But I would not like to live where you do where your electricity is so eratic that

but I don't want to live where you do where your electricity is so unreliable that it destroys your equipment needs "quality UPS with line conditioner or good quality surge protector connected" for its life span not to be highly reduce.

You also appear to contradict yourself, which one is i? you said the typical person keeps the Tv for 10 years and then moves it to the bedroom (I am guessing for the next 10 years) or even the higher end TVs won't last even 10 years?


When it comes to AV I upgrade way too often so prepping for the future is useless in that sense (for example - and not meant to diss people that have an 8k projector - but why would I run out and buy a fake 8k projector now when hopefully when 8k media comes out I will buy a real 8K projector that will support anything else added to 8k media)

But when it comes to PCs that is how I work, I keep them for a very long time but I put in it all the best tech and SW when I do upgrade. To paraphrase RalphoR I want my head to explode, that is why I am upgrading.

[Hindustani]

I'll take QD-OLED in 8K.

maybe next year

[Deciazulado]

Well one thing 8K displays in big sizes with real high contrast and expanded gamut can be usable for is for people that do or like high res photography right now. Some cameras already have 5K x 8K resolution or higher.
Before, you could only display photographic quality images as relatively medium size reflective print enlargements (max contrast about 200-300:1) or as 35mm projected slides (well there were a few medium format projectors, but.. )

But now you can have high res photographic gamut, and 4000:1 + contrast displayed as if they were 36" x 65" etc. giant large format transparencies on your wall.
"Cinematography/video content" can follow at one point or another after.