Spider-Man: No Way Home 4K UHD (2021)

[jala12]

Originally Posted by Ben_UK

From a story point of view, it’s a shame that once the villains are

[Show spoiler] “released”, they do nothing, have no plan, in fact I don’t even think you see them again until the Statue of Liberty climax.

[Show spoiler] The screentime had to go to the Spiders. A few of the villains made upgrades to themselves, like Electro and Goblin. The rest were probably figuring out what to until lured back by Peter, since he had the cube.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Pecker

The MCU was a great idea, but it's destroyed itself. It's a busted flush, as every time (well, most times) anyone gets in any danger, this question will loom. A bit like when mobile phones were invented, and 95% of precarious positions in horror films were jeopardised.

You know that this has been a thing in comics since like forever, right? And that people were moaning about this very phenom re: the movies way back in Phase 2, i.e. now that they're all Super Friends then why don't they come to each other's aid like all the time? It is what is, you can't have everyone helping everyone else every time otherwise each movie/comic just becomes The Big Clusterf*ck and that's not the point of such things, you can't explore individual dramatis personae if each story is a perpetual home to 101 characters.

That's in no way an actual logical real world explanation, which some didactic minds clearly crave (though never discount subsequent MCU projects filling in some of these gaps) but in the main you just gotta go with it. The movie wouldn't have made $1.8 billion dollars at the worldwide box office if people actually gave a crap about such things, indeed the MCU would never have got this far in the first place.

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

I have doubts that the Wal-Mart cover will be the same on the case itself, not just the slipcover.

Wouldn't that be even better? It seems like people prefer the case art and the slipcover art to be different.

[KIDplus]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You know that this has been a thing in comics since like forever, right? And that people were moaning about this very phenom re: the movies way back in Phase 2, i.e. now that they're all Super Friends then why don't they come to each other's aid like all the time? It is what is, you can't have everyone helping everyone else every time otherwise each movie/comic just becomes The Big Clusterf*ck and that's not the point of such things, you can't explore individual dramatis personae if each story is a perpetual home to 101 characters.

That's in no way an actual logical real world explanation, which some didactic minds clearly crave (though never discount subsequent MCU projects filling in some of these gaps) but in the main you just gotta go with it. The movie wouldn't have made $1.8 billion dollars at the worldwide box office if people actually gave a crap about such things, indeed the MCU would never have got this far in the first place.

Yeah it’s just one of those things you got to roll with if you’re ever going to enjoy these movies. I always figure that heroes can’t be everywhere at once, so they trust each other to handle local problems on their own until they call for backup. Besides, a lot of those questions have answers. Thor is in space, Bruce still has a messed up arm, Black Panther is on another continent, Ant Man is on the west coast, Pepper is raising a kid.

[Dominate426]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

I have doubts that the Wal-Mart cover will be the same on the case itself, not just the slipcover.

50/50, The cover art on the Walmart version of Furious 7 used the poster of just Vin Diesel and Paul Walker on both the slipcover and the case while the Walmart version of Fate of the Furious only had a different slipcover

[Ben_UK]

Originally Posted by jala12

[Show spoiler] The screentime had to go to the Spiders. A few of the villains made upgrades to themselves, like Electro and Goblin. The rest were probably figuring out what to until lured back by Peter, since he had the cube.

Perhaps, but a hero is only as good as his villain(s). If their motivation or purpose isn’t clear it kinda makes them one dimensional as there is no established threat or escalation.

Who knows maybe there is a deleted scene or two which might expand on this aspect?

[Azuride]

Originally Posted by Pecker

The MCU was a great idea, but it's destroyed itself.

I have similar qualms. As the mcu progresses, I retroactively question decisions in previous movies.

An example: in No Way Home, Doctor Strange casts the spell so people forget that Peter is Spider-Man. He's capable of doing this, but we all know it gets fumbled.

[Show spoiler]In the end of the movie, he casts a spell to make everyone forget Peter Parker altogether. He succeeds in this. I immediately thought of Infinity War. Strange could have made Thanos forget about the Infinity Stones at any given point.

At the end of the day, they're merely superhero popcorn flicks so I have already come to terms with the fact that the less I think about them, the more I'll enjoy them. Nothing wrong with that kind of entertainment once in a while.

[mpls1981]

Originally Posted by Ben_UK

Perhaps, but a hero is only as good as his villain(s). If their motivation or purpose isn’t clear it kinda makes them one dimensional as there is no established threat or escalation.

Who knows maybe there is a deleted scene or two which might expand on this aspect?

[Show spoiler]I don't think the villains were the threat. It was the multiverse bringing them into that universe and destroying everything that had to be stopped. The villains themselves were just pawns of a much larger problem created by Peter himself. Both victim and villain in a story whose focus was on Peter trying to live two lives and the destruction it's causing around him.

I think that's also why in part they chose villains from previous movies. They wouldn't need to focus on the villains themselves to create that characterization necessary for a new character and could instead focus on Peter.

[Pecker]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You know that this has been a thing in comics since like forever, right? And that people were moaning about this very phenom re: the movies way back in Phase 2, i.e. now that they're all Super Friends then why don't they come to each other's aid like all the time? It is what is, you can't have everyone helping everyone else every time otherwise each movie/comic just becomes The Big Clusterf*ck and that's not the point of such things, you can't explore individual dramatis personae if each story is a perpetual home to 101 characters.

That's in no way an actual logical real world explanation, which some didactic minds clearly crave (though never discount subsequent MCU projects filling in some of these gaps) but in the main you just gotta go with it. The movie wouldn't have made $1.8 billion dollars at the worldwide box office if people actually gave a crap about such things, indeed the MCU would never have got this far in the first place.

Well, yes. But I suppose that really just underlines the obvious, which is that I’m finding myself increasingly unable to do so with every passing MCU film.

Standing back for a moment, and thinking about films other than MCU, I’ve read plenty of threads where people have commented that they’re unable to enjoy a film fully because of a particular plot hole - often one far less obvious than this.

I’m still enjoying the films to extent, but the enjoyment is certainly diminished.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Pecker

Well, yes. But I suppose that really just underlines the obvious, which is that I’m finding myself increasingly unable to do so with every passing MCU film.

Standing back for a moment, and thinking about films other than MCU, I’ve read plenty of threads where people have commented that they’re unable to enjoy a film fully because of a particular plot hole - often one far less obvious than this.

I’m still enjoying the films to extent, but the enjoyment is certainly diminished.

As I said, this has literally been an issue since the first big team up in Avengers 1. That was, what, 10 years and something like 20 films ago? If you've managed to make it thus far without this being a glaring "plot hole" (yep, that's another term to go on the "I fookin hate those words" list) that's enough to derail your enjoyment then one wonders if you're just a glutton for punishment, or were looking the other way for whatever reasons. The degree to which we enjoy a film in itself often correlates with how minor/major a problem such "plot holes" (ugh) can be.

What I will also offer by way of opinion is that people get too hung up on the interconnectivity of these films & streaming series. I know that might sound supremely daft for a franchise that's 27 movies and 5 streamers deep, one which seemingly requires an intimate knowledge of every single previous show to enjoy, but I regard the sprawling cross-pollination as a secondary level of entertainment and nowhere near the primary focus. I'm not necessarily saying you're putting it to the fore either, but it certainly seems like it's an overriding concern.

Hell, the thing I love about this franchise is that they generally keep subsequent shows as sequels to the ones those characters were specifically involved in and *don't* turn them all into intergalactic cluster****s, you know? If people want to follow this one's arc or that one's arc they really can just stick to their individual movies and whatever team up flicks they've done and get almost everything that's required. Basically I keep turning up for the characters and not just to see how the jigsaw fits together, which is why I can put it to the back of my mind.

[jala12]

Originally Posted by Pecker

4 - Right, I've pondered this happening before, but for the first time it actually happened with this film. Well...

[Show spoiler]Where's everyone else? The entire universe of Spider-Man (the 3rd, the MCU) is at risk of absolute chaos, and there's Spider-Man and two other Spider-Men, along with Dr Strange and 2 non-super hero mates battling a small handful of lower-league supervillains in an attempt to stop it. I'm not taking about the magic - Strange is there for that - but there's a whole, tried-and-tested super hero vs super villain physical battle going on and preventing him from sorting the spells, and in the end it's a close thing, resulting in Spider-Man (as is) being lost to the Avengers.

So where's Thor? Where's Hulk? Where's Black Panther? Where's Ant-Man? Where Pepper Potts in the Iron Man suit? This band of loyal friends, who've saved the universe, and sometimes had to go through heart-breaking, gut-wrenching decisions over helping their dear super hero friends, or staying in the battle, are suddenly nowhere to be found when Peter Parker needs them to protect his identity as Spider-Man, and their continued knowledge of his existence. Or, alternately, the very fabric of this universe ripping open, unless Dr Strange gets a little protection from The Goblin & co. while he casts his spells. Instead, it appears they're taking a fortnight off on a beach in Spain. Or something.

If Hulk & Thor turn up, it's a pretty one-side battle; an easy win for the Avengers. Because they don't, serious damage is (potentially) done, and it could have been far, far worse. And every MCU film is going to be like that, now. Unless it's a 'potentially end-of-the-universe' story, like the Infinity films, any attempt to make a stand-alone story is in danger of looking like the other Avengers are just AWOL. I mean, one or two might be stuck on Ragnarok, or something. But all of them?

The MCU was a great idea, but it's destroyed itself. It's a busted flush, as every time (well, most times) anyone gets in any danger, this question will loom. A bit like when mobile phones were invented, and 95% of precarious positions in horror films were jeopardised.

[Show spoiler]I don't think the fact that these characters didn't show up to help Peter is a plot hole at all. Aside from the fact that a number of them are pretty far away, this was a fairly isolated incident that took place over a few days that only Peter's inner circle and Strange knew about. Thor is obviously offworld as we last saw him tagging along with the Guardians. Hulk is in no shape to fight as last we saw, he got banged up pretty bad after bringing everybody back from the dead with the gauntlet, and in Shang-Chi we see that Banner is still wearing the arm sling after all this time. Not sure why you would bring up Black Panther. Aside from the fact that the actor is dead, even if his character was still alive at this point in time, he'd be on the other side of the world tending to other issues related to Wakanda.
Ant-Man is a small-time hero who lives in San Francisco and is probably catching up with the years that he lost with Cassie and the rest of his friends/family. The only one that could have actually helped Peter at all with his crisis was Pepper, but we'd have to assume that she's busy taking care of Morgan as well as dealing with the legal/political fallout with the Stark Industries drones that were seized by Damage Control.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You know that this has been a thing in comics since like forever, right? And that people were moaning about this very phenom re: the movies way back in Phase 2, i.e. now that they're all Super Friends then why don't they come to each other's aid like all the time? It is what is, you can't have everyone helping everyone else every time otherwise each movie/comic just becomes The Big Clusterf*ck and that's not the point of such things, you can't explore individual dramatis personae if each story is a perpetual home to 101 characters.

That's in no way an actual logical real world explanation, which some didactic minds clearly crave (though never discount subsequent MCU projects filling in some of these gaps) but in the main you just gotta go with it. The movie wouldn't have made $1.8 billion dollars at the worldwide box office if people actually gave a crap about such things, indeed the MCU would never have got this far in the first place.

Yeah a friend of mind would bring this up (usually in a joking way, like in any situation just call Thor and Hulk in or something and F*$& shit up.) I would always just say "they're busy, they can't be everywhere all the time. Other shit is happening."

[Bubbles-11]

For some inexplicable reason it seems like this has already broken street date if this eBay listing is anything to go by
https://www.ebay.com/itm/12518713761...Condition=2750

[Deric2014]

Originally Posted by Bubbles-11

For some inexplicable reason it seems like this has already broken street date if this eBay listing is anything to go by
https://www.ebay.com/itm/12518713761...Condition=2750

I have bought one but it doesn't arrive until March 22 at least for me. Which is strange since that's the day it's available on Digital. But earlier than the April 12 date.

[Deric2014]

But hopefully it's legit and I don't get scammed since it's eBay.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by Deric2014

I have bought one but it doesn't arrive until March 22 at least for me. Which is strange since that's the day it's available on Digital. But earlier than the April 12 date.

So, $68 to get it maybe a couple of weeks early with the digital copy removed?

[Dominate426]

Originally Posted by Mandalorian

So, $68 to get it maybe a couple of weeks early with the digital copy removed?

He also had one that cost 34.99

EDIT: That one includes the new Scream movie which is why it cost $68

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by Dominate426

He also had one that cost 34.99

EDIT: That one includes the new Scream movie which is why it cost $68

Oh, ok. That's better.

[Dominate426]

Originally Posted by Bolty

Whatever happened to that so-called Extended Cut That was going to be shown in theaters? Did that turn out to be false for sure?

Well Sony did announce the FFH one at the very last minute but it doesn’t look good for this one

[Deric2014]

Originally Posted by Mandalorian

So, $68 to get it maybe a couple of weeks early with the digital copy removed?

The seller uploaded the listed yesterday and I got it for $31.99 before he increased the price. I don't mind not having a digital copy. But it does come with a extra Blu-Ray copy at least.