New 4K blu ray players

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Compson

^^^^I don’t share your faith in the hockey stick. I see the jagged hockey stick on my Panny 9000 in slow motion or freeze frame but not at regular speed.

I recently acquired an Oppo BDP-83 to compare. I’m outputting both the Oppo and the Panny at 480p to a video processor for scaling, and then to a Sony 4K projector with its Motionflow setting on Off. If I freeze the Oppo and then back-step, I get a hockey stick that looks worse than the Panny’s. I took a picture but can’t figure out how to attach it. The point, though, is the images illustrate how the players generate stills of difficult material. My Sony BDP-S6700 produces the best hockey-stick stills of the three players but doesn’t do as well on some real material (such as the Homecoming: A Christmas Story DVD I watched at Christmas, which the Panny handled better).

Viewing the Spears & Munsil montage, the Oppo is better than the Panny in some spots (such as the car hood a man is polishing before the hockey clips), but they both do a nice job. I don’t doubt that some Panny owners have had a different experience (and some people who aren’t Panny owners accept what they’ve read). I wonder if the type of display and its interaction with the Panny are somehow responsible for the difference, though I have no idea why that would be the case.

As I tried to underline during that post o’ mine: it’s not just doing it to paused fields, in motion the diagonals are significantly more jagged on the 820, as is the jaggies test with the swinging bar turning through different degrees. And it’s not solely the jaggies but the ringing too, there’s plenty more ‘edge enhancement’ on the Panny. That frame wasn’t cherry picked either, I literally just hit pause when it was playing on the Panny and then lined up the OPPO 203 to match. And it’s nothing to do with the TV at my end.

The caveat here, if there is one, is that I’m using a European deck and despite having a legacy of 60Hz compatibility in our players since the dawn of DVD perhaps they done ****ed up the deinterlacing for 60Hz content somehow. David Mackenzie uses a US Panny to QC his DVDs and if something’s ****y then he’d surely know. But I’m not gonna spend a ridonkulous amount of cash to import one just to test this theory out.

Originally Posted by ronand

On my UB450 I find changing the "Progressive" option manually to "Video" during playback improves the picture on 576i dvds quite a bit.

The 450 uses a MediaTek chipset IIRC and not the bespoke Pannysonic chip that’s in the 420/820/9000 series so it’s not the same comparison. The DVD playback should be betterer by default.