Index of pop-outs by 3D movie with time stamps

[Just_Discovered_3D]

Originally Posted by cdx47

Tbh I see no problem with this conversion. I don't remember this being as difficult as Shang-chi which was so setup sensitive that I went from being very disappointed with the pop-outs and general 3D to very happy and it now being the only way I want to watch it. From what I remember, TASM has always been setup insensitive.

What I mean is normies are watching this in 3D and going "Wot, izzat it?!" I acknowledge that I'm having issues with popout, but even based on what y'all are listing for popout it doesn't seem like tasm2 popout at its fullest is enough for expectation.

It's anecdotal, I suppose, but I keep finding that the Bronze Age timidity with negative parallax goes back to JCameron, with him comparing 3D to a window that you look through, and the facile irony that he is credited with the Bronze Age but his Titanic conversion is what sunk it.


The menu in TASM2, the main bluray menu that is, plays scenes from the film, including the manhole cover scene. Is there supposed to be/do you see popout during those scenes in the menu?

Similarly, there's a "hand drawn" shot on the TMNT2 menu of Casey Jones hitting a hockey puck towards the screen. Does it pop out in the menu?

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

What I mean is normies are watching this in 3D and going "Wot, izzat it?!" I acknowledge that I'm having issues with popout, but even based on what y'all are listing for popout it doesn't seem like tasm2 popout at its fullest is enough for expectation.

Normies will be looking for pop-out so if you have issues there then that will affect their view of the movie.

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

Similarly, there's a "hand drawn" shot on the TMNT2 menu of Casey Jones hitting a hockey puck towards the screen. Does it pop out in the menu?

Unless the disc is a special edition, I just rip the movie then choose the audio and subs I want. No menus or anything else.

[Damon1281]

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

I can see that Rhino's horn kinda looks like it is in front of everything else, but it's no "pitchfork handle from C@Y".
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If Comin' at You is going to be the bar you set, you're going to constantly be disappointed.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Damon1281

If Comin' at You is going to be the bar you set, you're going to constantly be disappointed.

Agreed. Comin' at Ya was a little too much for me and actually cured me of my pop-outs affliction lol.

[Just_Discovered_3D]

Originally Posted by Damon1281

If Comin' at You is going to be the bar you set, you're going to constantly be disappointed.

C@Y pitchfork scene is visible in any scenario/setup I try and is pretty much themepark-tier 3D.

Other films only cautiously peeking out on our side of the screen sporadically and for as short as a sixth of a second at a time is complicating my search to see them all.

IMO there is a disappointment with the duration of negative parallax effects. An example being Valerian, as all the pop-in from the space ships sounds like it could have made for a really stunning spectacle. Yet even if I were seeing it at its full potential, the scene with it was so short that there's not much time to savor it. Maybe the short duration is so the film doesn't look hokey in 2D, but then there are Bronze Age films that did look hokey in 2D, like Fury Road.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

C@Y pitchfork scene is visible in any scenario/setup I try and is pretty much themepark-tier 3D.

I love pop-outs but calling it "theme park" tier is exactly what it is. Too much of a good thing.

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

Other films only cautiously peeking out on our side of the screen sporadically and for as short as a sixth of a second at a time is complicating my search to see them all.

That's fair. There are many pop-outs that I wouldn't call pop-outs.

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

Maybe the short duration is so the film doesn't look hokey in 2D, but then there are Bronze Age films that did look hokey in 2D, like Fury Road.

Duration isn't always the issue. The two Shang-chi dart training scenes have brief but very clear pop-out moments with the dart coming right at the viewer. Maybe it works because you can clearly see the trajectory of the dart as it leaves her hand.

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

IMO there is a disappointment with the duration of negative parallax effects. An example being Valerian, as all the pop-in from the space ships sounds like it could have made for a really stunning spectacle. Yet even if I were seeing it at its full potential, the scene with it was so short that there's not much time to savor it.

I will try to have a look at that one today. This is another movie I haven't sat down to watch yet so do you have any particular examples of pop-in moments?

Edit:
I had a quick look and just reminded myself of why I bought a movie in 3D I might never be interested in otherwise. From the intro through to the space battles this is top tier 3D. I've just watched a scene where an alien craft launches and goes into the screen with some of the most incredible depth I have seen in a 3D movie. I find it difficult to see how you could find anything approaching disappointing 3D in this movie.

[Damon1281]

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

C@Y pitchfork scene is visible in any scenario/setup I try and is pretty much themepark-tier 3D.

Other films only cautiously peeking out on our side of the screen sporadically and for as short as a sixth of a second at a time is complicating my search to see them all.

IMO there is a disappointment with the duration of negative parallax effects. An example being Valerian, as all the pop-in from the space ships sounds like it could have made for a really stunning spectacle. Yet even if I were seeing it at its full potential, the scene with it was so short that there's not much time to savor it. Maybe the short duration is so the film doesn't look hokey in 2D, but then there are Bronze Age films that did look hokey in 2D, like Fury Road.

At theme parks, the last time I went to one, the 3D effects were amplified by physically moving you through the scene. I don't think that is a fair comparison. If that's what you need, then The Bubble, Sword of Granada, Jaws 3, Journey to the Center of the Earth, and Drive Angry should fit the bill as close as possible.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Damon1281

At theme parks, the last time I went to one, the 3D effects were amplified by physically moving you through the scene. I don't think that is a fair comparison. If that's what you need, then The Bubble, Sword of Granada, Jaws 3, Journey to the Center of the Earth, and Drive Angry should fit the bill as close as possible.

I've seen Drive Angry, that's definitely a theme park ride. I had a quick look just now at Sword of Granada and at the start of the movie they tried to crawl into my room lol. I haven't seen any of the others. If he wants theme park 3D then I would add a few Chinese 3D movies as well.

Edit:
So in Sword of Granada, the two leads are now trying to poke my eye out so I think this definitely counts as theme park 3D.

[Just_Discovered_3D]

Originally Posted by cdx47

I love pop-outs but calling it "theme park" tier is exactly what it is. Too much of a good thing.


That's fair. There are many pop-outs that I wouldn't call pop-outs.


Duration isn't always the issue. The two Shang-chi dart training scenes have brief but very clear pop-out moments with the dart coming right at the viewer. Maybe it works because you can clearly see the trajectory of the dart as it leaves her hand.


I will try to have a look at that one today. This is another movie I haven't sat down to watch yet so do you have any particular examples of pop-in moments?

Edit:
I had a quick look and just reminded myself of why I bought a movie in 3D I might never be interested in otherwise. From the intro through to the space battles this is top tier 3D. I've just watched a scene where an alien craft launches and goes into the screen with some of the most incredible depth I have seen in a 3D movie. I find it difficult to see how you could find anything approaching disappointing 3D in this movie.

Shang Chi isn't clear though, not theatrically, which is where it counts most. There, the rope dart didn't resolve when it broke* the screen during the training montage.

(Although there were some glowing particles that seemed to appear before an otherwise black screen)

The 3D in Valerian is fun for depth, it is definitely the only way to watch this film, but the negative parallax stuff was underutilized by the film, as it is so short in duration and so rarely occurs relative to the runtime.

Weirdly, Valerian has several protracted segments that seem to unabashedly be all about the 3D. They seem to all focus on depth though, perhaps even being depth-only.

Originally Posted by Damon1281

At theme parks, the last time I went to one, the 3D effects were amplified by physically moving you through the scene. I don't think that is a fair comparison. If that's what you need, then The Bubble, Sword of Granada, Jaws 3, Journey to the Center of the Earth, and Drive Angry should fit the bill as close as possible.

When I think of theme park 3D, the attractions I'm thinking of most don't move any more than a 4DX/DBOX theatrical experience, if they move at all.

Interestingly, one of them was James Cameron's T-2 3D. In that, there was no issue with seeing the popout and it was not a "blink and you miss it", fraction-of-a-second affair. At theme parks, the 3D takes place in, at, and before the screen. On bluray, 3D seems afraid to do more than peek out in front of the screen, instead hewing close to the "3D shows you a window into reality" philosophy that James Cameron espouses now but did not back when T-2 3D was designed.


Although my "old man yells at cloud"-type gripe with timid 3D filmmaking that is all about depth-prioritizing "window" philosophy is secondary to my issue with not seeing some of the stated popout, while other popout is obvious.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

Shang Chi isn't clear though, not theatrically, which is where it counts most. There, the rope dart didn't resolve when it broke* the screen during the training montage.

It doesn't resolve 100% but it isn't supposed to at that speed. But at home the dart's path is clear, it clearly breaks the screen barrier and it is clearly a red dart made from dragon scales because I can see the special texture.

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

The 3D in Valerian is fun for depth, it is definitely the only way to watch this film, but the negative parallax stuff was underutilized by the film, as it is so short in duration and so rarely occurs relative to the runtime.

From the brief time I spent with this movie, I definitely saw pop-outs. It's not theme park but it is clearly great 3D.

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

Although my "old man yells at cloud"-type gripe with timid 3D filmmaking that is all about depth-prioritizing "window" philosophy is secondary to my issue with not seeing some of the stated popout, while other popout is obvious.

I no longer need a movie to have lots of pop-outs but I do like to see them when appropriate. I know I've said this before, but I get that some movies with weak to low medium 3D like BR2049, Dune and Tron Legacy are setup dependant. I don't get why Shang-chi which has proper medium strong 3D pop-outs is the same. That would suggest weak 3D but that's not the end result.

[the13thman]

Originally Posted by Damon1281

At theme parks, the last time I went to one, the 3D effects were amplified by physically moving you through the scene. I don't think that is a fair comparison. If that's what you need, then The Bubble, Sword of Granada, Jaws 3, Journey to the Center of the Earth, and Drive Angry should fit the bill as close as possible.

I'd add Friday the 13th Part 3 to that list. That movie beats all the others as far as I am concerned, the pop-outs are frequent and they are strong. Dynasty and Revenge of the Shogun Women also have outstanding use of pop-out as indeed does Flesh For Frankenstein. And where are Parasite and Amityville 3-D?

Silver Age 3D wipes the floor with the Golden and Bronze Age stuff but bizarrely doesn't feature much at all in this thread, lots of chat about conversions though...

[Just_Discovered_3D]

Originally Posted by cdx47

It doesn't resolve 100% but it isn't supposed to at that speed. But at home the dart's path is clear, it clearly breaks the screen barrier and it is clearly a red dart made from dragon scales because I can see the special texture.


From the brief time I spent with this movie, I definitely saw pop-outs. It's not theme park but it is clearly great 3D.


I no longer need a movie to have lots of pop-outs but I do like to see them when appropriate. I know I've said this before, but I get that some movies with weak to low medium 3D like BR2049, Dune and Tron Legacy are setup dependant. I don't get why Shang-chi which has proper medium strong 3D pop-outs is the same. That would suggest weak 3D but that's not the end result.

At some point I'll have to try to rewatch it. Shang Chi is just such a "meh" film though. Some of what should pop out in SC does linger, yet did not pop out, while the rope dart launched at the camera lasted only a split second yet came closest to breaking out. Weird.

(With the disclaimer that I'm not trying to gainsay you, I'm referring to pop out as I saw, or sadly did not see, it and asked others about it when I saw it theatrically.)

The rope dart also could have been made to hang before the screen for a second or three, for fun and to ensure resolution. Fury Road did that, or I should say, Fury Road looked like it was doing that when seen in 2D.

For Valerian, the pop-in was what I saw hyped in discussion but not really evident in the film. While I enjoyed Valerian, it is unfortunate that its 3D isn't strong enough to offset its narrative issues. If the 3D had been the window-obliterating, "you're sitting amidst a fleet of starships" proto-VR experience that it could have been...

(When/if you watch the film, it could leave you concerned for how Avatar 2 will play out, as borrowing the arc of the blue aliens from Valerian seems like the easiest way to move that franchise forward)

3D films not really doing much "before the window", be it pop-out/pop-in or just being there in a static sense, is what these nicely compiled lists here confirm for me is unfortunately just the way most modern 3D films are made, and if I want 3D that uses more than 50% of the format's potential then my choices are limited.

However, not being able to see much of the popout that is listed here remains a problem for me, and I wonder why C@Y's pitchfork popout is obvious while that of TASM2's slo-mo web isn't. For me.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

At some point I'll have to try to rewatch it. Shang Chi is just such a "meh" film though. Some of what should pop out in SC does linger, yet did not pop out, while the rope dart launched at the camera lasted only a split second yet came closest to breaking out. Weird.

No problem, you can only describe what "you" see. But in this case I agree with you for two reasons. Firstly 3D Blu-rays often look better than theatrical. Secondly a few weeks ago I shared your opinion about Shang-chi.

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

For Valerian, the pop-in was what I saw hyped in discussion but not really evident in the film. While I enjoyed Valerian, it is unfortunate that its 3D isn't strong enough to offset its narrative issues. If the 3D had been the window-obliterating, "you're sitting amidst a fleet of starships" proto-VR experience that it could have been...

There's two separate issues here. Firstly the 3D is strong and so is the pop-in, so again I think it is a local issue. But as to whether any 3D is strong enough to offset its narrative issues?

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

However, not being able to see much of the popout that is listed here remains a problem for me, and I wonder why C@Y's pitchfork popout is obvious while that of TASM2's slo-mo web isn't. For me.

We are both asking the same question but for different movies. The answer for me was in software. You are using hardware so where do you begin?

[Damon1281]

Originally Posted by the13thman

Silver Age 3D wipes the floor with the Golden and Bronze Age stuff but bizarrely doesn't feature much at all in this thread, lots of chat about conversions though...

We'll, I did Jaws 3 , at least . To be honest, I find it tough to sit through most silver age titles. I'll try to get another one out there to discuss.

[Just_Discovered_3D]

Originally Posted by cdx47

No problem, you can only describe what "you" see. But in this case I agree with you for two reasons. Firstly 3D Blu-rays often look better than theatrical. Secondly a few weeks ago I shared your opinion about Shang-chi.


There's two separate issues here. Firstly the 3D is strong and so is the pop-in, so again I think it is a local issue. But as to whether any 3D is strong enough to offset its narrative issues?


We are both asking the same question but for different movies. The answer for me was in software. You are using hardware so where do you begin?

On 3D > Narrative, there are scenes in Valerian that don't make sense from a narrative standpoint. Many a "flat" review have ragged on the film for them. Two in particular are the Bubble burlesque (the whole plotline involving Bubble, really), and Valerian's remedial primer on Alpha.

[Show spoiler]Personally I thought Bubble had a better rapport with Valerian than did Laureline, and the Bubble plotline contains some of the best 3D and the best fight in the film. However, the criticism stands that (as demonstrated by a fun 3D sequence earlier in the film) the plotline made no sense. It may have been intended as an allegory by Besson, but while its 3D is a lot of fun, it doesn't counteract that it makes little sense in the context of the film, and that the CGI budget for Bubble could have been better spent elsewhere.

Although I am curious as to how much popout you would see in your enhanced setup if you were to go through the Bubble plotline. It starts with scenes of an abyss filled with glowing space fish, goes to the burlesque, then goes to a long (ie:deep) courtroom where it culminates in a fight sequence that is largely filmed from a second-person, depth-focused perspective. It also includes a very odd hat that might just beat out the much-ballyhooed hat from Titanic 3D.

In this thread I'm not seeing a list of timestamped popout to give an idea of how many/if any popouts I should BOLO for.

Although I did see this, which helps me out as it means I'm not the only one seeing the phenomenon of the screen itself blocking popout.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...5&postcount=62

[Damon1281]

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

C@Y pitchfork scene is visible in any scenario/setup I try and is pretty much themepark-tier 3D.
:

Yes the pitchfork is a very strong pop-out. I can reach out and touch it.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Damon1281

Yes the pitchfork is a very strong pop-out. I can reach out and touch it.

I feel I can touch the Despicable Me logo or the coins from RE Retribution. The dart in Shang-chi or the debris in Gravity coming directly at me make me wince. The bullet in Justice League makes me want to move my head out of the way. These bronze age movies may not be quite as impressive as C@Y but they are close and still very effective.

[Just_Discovered_3D]

When I come across a cheap LED light, one that flickers, any motion in front of it has a stuttery, ghosting appearance. TVs with backlight strobing technologies have the same effect.

I mention this as that sort of stuttery, stacatto-like stop-motion effect shows up when small objects, like debris in TMNT, pop out. Does anyone else get that? I'm now trying to run down DLP/DLP glasses as my issue.

BTW, please tell me that the "Grim Reaper" esque

[Show spoiler]hand of Blackbeard

pops out near the end of Pirates IV as I'm pretty sure that I saw it and it looked pretty cool. Pretty sure I saw too some swords popping out too, the one rammed through the door was approaching the legendary C@Y pitchfork pop.

Was there any pop-in during that film?

[Damon1281]

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

When I come across a cheap LED light, one that flickers, any motion in front of it has a stuttery, ghosting appearance. TVs with backlight strobing technologies have the same effect.

I mention this as that sort of stuttery, stacatto-like stop-motion effect shows up when small objects, like debris in TMNT, pop out. Does anyone else get that? I'm now trying to run down DLP/DLP glasses as my issue.

BTW, please tell me that the "Grim Reaper" esque

[Show spoiler]hand of Blackbeard

pops out near the end of Pirates IV as I'm pretty sure that I saw it and it looked pretty cool. Pretty sure I saw too some swords popping out too, the one rammed through the door was approaching the legendary C@Y pitchfork pop.

Was there any pop-in during that film?

I don't think I've broken Pirates out of the shrink wrap yet. What sort of DLP display are you using? From my experience, using the recommended glasses was the only way my BenQ DLP projector competed with my Epson Home Theater or LG plazma TV. Once I finally splurged ($65) on glasses it has been BenQ DLP all the way.

[Just_Discovered_3D]

Originally Posted by Damon1281

I don't think I've broken Pirates out of the shrink wrap yet. What sort of DLP display are you using? From my experience, using the recommended glasses was the only way my BenQ DLP projector competed with my Epson Home Theater or LG plazma TV. Once I finally splurged ($65) on glasses it has been BenQ DLP all the way.

Optoma projector, whatever DLP glasses I can scrounge up. Generally Chinesium. I procured also some name brand Chinesium, but have yet to try it as the generic Chinesium is more convenient as it has a rechargeable battery + invert sync button, while the name brand needs the display to invert and requires button batteries.

If you do get the chance to catalog the pop outs in Pirates IV, there is a jump scare scene in there (you'll know it when you see it) and I would be curious to know to what degree you see it pop out.

The sword-through-the-door is popout so solid that Tony Anthony should have had a cameo in it. I believe every time someone stood on a deck and pointed a sword it popped a bit, and there was one scene where a Spanish marine's musket popped out for a second in the upper left quadrant of the screen, similar to the tank barrel's "blip" in TMNT2.

Unfortunately, unlike with C@Y, I didn't notice any of the rigging appear before the window.