PS5 games use BD-66 and BD-100 but Xbox Series X games are still limited to BD-50

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

With the sophistication of the newest generation of games comes an increase in the demand for fast access. Direct access from the disc, even at the speed the PS5's disc drive runs at, is no longer fast enough. It was fast enough in the seventh generation, but not the eighth and certainly not the ninth.

This isn't true. Storage access and file I/O is no longer a bottleneck on the consoles (or on PC, once games start using DirectStorage.) These new SSDs and storage APIs are capable of read speeds of several GB/s, which is more than enough. Indeed, these speeds would allow the transfer of assets of such a high level of quality that the GPUs inside of the PS5 and Xbox Series X|S wouldn't even be able to render them at a playable frame rate. You're already seeing the amount of compromises that have to be made on console any time ray tracing is implemented in a game, and next-gen engines like Unreal Engine 5 will be targeting 30fps on the consoles. This is due to the outdated GPU/CPU, not the storage.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

This isn't true. Storage access and file I/O is no longer a bottleneck on the consoles (or on PC, once games start using DirectStorage.) These new SSDs and storage APIs are capable of read speeds of several GB/s, which is more than enough. Indeed, these speeds would allow the transfer of assets of such a high level of quality that the GPUs inside of the PS5 and Xbox Series X|S wouldn't even be able to render them at a playable frame rate. You're already seeing the amount of compromises that have to be made on console any time ray tracing is implemented in a game, and next-gen engines like Unreal Engine 5 will be targeting 30fps on the consoles. This is due to the outdated GPU/CPU, not the storage.

If games were run directly off the Blu-ray disc instead of being installed to the SSD then the Blu-ray drive would certainly be the bottleneck, not the GPU or CPU. I believe that's the point that BijouMan was making.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

If games were run directly off the Blu-ray disc instead of being installed to the SSD then the Blu-ray drive would certainly be the bottleneck, not the GPU or CPU. I believe that's the point that BijouMan was making.

He would be correct then, but that would be one of those "captain obvious" type posts. Blu-ray drives have far slower read speeds than even HDDs, and HDDs were already a bottleneck in certain situations in previous generations (primarily in loading times.)

[Warm Gun]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

He would be correct then, but that would be one of those "captain obvious" type posts. Blu-ray drives have far slower read speeds than even HDDs, and HDDs were already a bottleneck in certain situations in previous generations (primarily in loading times.)

Well, I'm not that mean, so I didn't "captain obvious" him, but I was a little bit bothered that he didn't think I knew that.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

Well, I'm not that mean, so I didn't "captain obvious" him, but I was a little bit bothered that he didn't think I knew that.

There have been a few posters that complained at length that games require an install and wanted to return to the time when you could play games directly off the disc. Those people were obviously ignoring all the benefits of installing to a SSD instead.

A "captain obvious" post is therefore an appropriate response to any complaint about installs.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

There have been a few posters that complained at length that games require an install and wanted to return to the time when you could play games directly off the disc. Those people were obviously ignoring all the benefits of installing to a SSD instead.

A "captain obvious" post is therefore an appropriate response to any complaint about installs.

Pretty sure no one wanted to return to the days of games being run directly off disc. That hasn't been the case in many many years.