Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

My Robocop 4K set should arrive on Friday.

I have the 2020 BD version, added the UHD BD to my Amazon list.

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by Vilya

So do I! We have something in common! How scary is that!?

Has anyone seen the modern (2019) episodic series of the same name? If so, whadja think? I am referring to this:



There are two seasons on blu-ray; both are imports. Only the first season is available on streaming at Hulu (I duzzn't get Hooloo). Digital sellers also only offer the first season.

I haven't seen that but I came across some articles saying that the the third season is available for streaming in 8K on Samsung 8K TVs in Europe, which got my attention.

[gotmule]

Stellar review for the Northman.

https://bluray.highdefdigest.com/104...calreview.html

[bhampton]

Never heard of it but can’t wait to see it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Stellar review for the Northman.

https://bluray.highdefdigest.com/104...calreview.html

Originally Posted by bhampton

Never heard of it but can’t wait to see it.

The 4K will be mine.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Stellar review for the Northman.

Plan to give it a watch. Liked The Witch, was glad when The Lighthouse was over.

[crutzulee]

Found myself awake at 5 this morning and snuck down to the dadcave to catch a movie.
I was pleasantly surprised to find the new Ti West movie X was available for streaming in 4K and ATMOS! The timing could not have worked out better for me. I was planning to watch it tonight after the Leaf's game. I've been looking forward to this movie and was hoping not to go into it in a state where I could potentially fall asleep... don't judge it happens more often than not lately..lol..

As much as I try to go into movies cold, I was recently made aware of why the movie is entitled X... so I was a little apprehensive about watching this with my daughter like I do most things horror...

The stage was set... I was wide awake, my family sound asleep and did I mention that the movie was available in 4K and ATMOS?

Whenever I go into a movie this hyped, it's more often than not a letdown....Ti West's X was AWESOME!! For fans of the genre, it did not disappoint.

I'll watch it again tonight for sure and will definitely want to own this at some point. The dilemma will be whether or not this will come out in UHD or bluray... this is a highly stylized film. While I'm not sure that 4K resolution will be essential over up converted 1080p, the colour grading and contrast ratio of this movie will put a strain on a system. There is one scene that takes place in a completely dark cellar. The new JVC continues to impress! My jaw was on the floor at the clarity and detail through the inky blackness before the character reached the light switch...

But, the real star here, as is so often the case with horror, was the ATMOS track... something that is often left off of a simple bluray...

Here's hoping that a UHD is in the offing..

[bhampton]

Started watching Roar in Atv+.

It’s miserable. Not recommended.I suppose it could get better but it’s the worst ATV+ original I’ve seen so far. I’m clearly not the target audience.

On the positive side, the episodes are short.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

I remember DIVX (not the codec) dieing on the vine because there was a competing product that offered the consumer a better alternative. Streaming apps are kind of the evolution of that model. It has survived alongside physical media because it has appealed to a different market.

Not sure what that means.
DIVX was disk (DVD) based format that , in theory, people could "rent" ( buy disk for rental prices and play in a limited way and then you could throw the disk away or keep it and pay to reactivate it again when yo wanted to "re-rent it") or buy aka "DIVX silver" (watch in unlimited way like a bought DVD). The machine had to call in (telephone line in those days) to the server and the server would give the OK for the disk to play. When the decision to shut down DIVIX was taken the servers where going to be maintained for a few months (if I remember correctly) after that deadline (aka when the plug was pulled on the servers) all people that paid for DIVIX or DIVIX silver had useless disks.

I had a friend at the time that had some DIVX silver titles that stopped playing from one day to the next man was he PO.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Started watching Roar in Atv+.

It’s miserable. Not recommended.I suppose it could get better but it’s the worst ATV+ original I’ve seen so far. I’m clearly not the target audience.

On the positive side, the episodes are short.

It's in my queue, because it's from the makers of GLOW and that was a great series. I know that Roar's themes are feminism, hence the title.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by vilya

hard drives are not ideal for archiving data.

Even if they were, i shudder at the thought of how much time, money, and hard drive space it would require to rip 1:1 copies of my disc collection or to download a collection of comparable size and compression.

100%

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Exactly. Downloads infected with DRM are not worth the effort as they lock you into using a specific manufacturer's hardware or software to play them.

I understand the need for DRM (you want to make sure 1 legit copy does not become 1M illegitimate copies, getting people to pay for watching either through purchases or rentals is how the studio finances and hopefully makes a profit from the film.

the issue is what does that DRM mean this started with Apple saying" To ensure your ability to continue enjoying Content, we encourage you to download all purchased Content to a device in your possession and to back it up." Now that they offer DL is a big + in my book (not all offer that) but if the DRM attaches the DL to a specific player then it is very limited and the DL useless as protection.

Note: I have not bought or used apple for films, with music, you could easily change the devices and re-dl from the internet were not needed many years ago when I had an ipod and used service.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I love Submarine Moves!

Originally Posted by Vilya

So do I!

so do I but for me it is because when my dad was in the navy he actually worked on a submarine (this was long before I was bourn) but his excitement is contagious.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

so do I but for me it is because when my dad was in the navy he actually worked on a submarine (this was long before I was bourn) but his excitement is contagious.

Was that in WWII, those Subs were tiny. Have you been inside like the one at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii? Not much space, it would have been to claustrophobic for me!

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Not sure what that means.
DIVX was disk (DVD) based format that , in theory, people could "rent" ( buy disk for rental prices and play in a limited way and then you could throw the disk away or keep it and pay to reactivate it again when yo wanted to "re-rent it") or buy aka "DIVX silver" (watch in unlimited way like a bought DVD). The machine had to call in (telephone line in those days) to the server and the server would give the OK for the disk to play. When the decision to shut down DIVIX was taken the servers where going to be maintained for a few months (if I remember correctly) after that deadline (aka when the plug was pulled on the servers) all people that paid for DIVIX or DIVIX silver had useless disks.

I had a friend at the time that had some DIVX silver titles that stopped playing from one day to the next man was he PO.

The point I was making was that, although DIVX was a physical format, it had all of the drawbacks of current Digital EST with the exception of A/V quality (which, if I remember, was identical to DVD). A major difference in the evolution of the rental formats, is that today's market now includes that segment of the population that watches movies on portable devices.

While I wouldn't dream of watching a movie on my 65" 4K living room TV, I'm aware that the majority of people consume movies on their phones. I can't fault media distributors for catering to the majority. I'm just hopeful that they seem to be recognizing that the minority of people who care enough to create a more theatrical experience at home are worth catering to as well. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

I watch documentaries on my phone and TV programs on my TV via NETFLIX/AMAZON. Although I mainly use physical media for movies, I occasionally watch NETFLIX/AMAZON made movies in my HT and will watch a VOD version of a movie that I'm too impatient to wait for on Physical disc. The technology exists for the streamer to adjust the bandwidth necessary to provide the highest quality that can be perceived on each. I believe that this will only get better.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

The point I was making was that, although DIVX was a physical format, it had all of the drawbacks of current Digital EST with the exception of A/V quality (which, if I remember, was identical to DVD). A major difference in the evolution of the rental formats, is that today's market now includes that segment of the population that watches movies on portable devices.

While I wouldn't dream of watching a movie on my 65" 4K living room TV, I'm aware that the majority of people consume movies on their phones. I can't fault media distributors for catering to the majority. I'm just hopeful that they seem to be recognizing that the minority of people who care enough to create a more theatrical experience at home are worth catering to as well. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

I watch documentaries on my phone and TV programs on my TV via NETFLIX/AMAZON. Although I mainly use physical media for movies, I occasionally watch NETFLIX/AMAZON made movies in my HT and will watch a VOD version of a movie that I'm too impatient to wait for on Physical disc. The technology exists for the streamer to adjust the bandwidth necessary to provide the highest quality that can be perceived on each. I believe that this will only get better.

If the majority of people are watching movies on their phone, why does the US AND U.K. have 96% of all households with at least one tv?

Also how has consumption of smart TVs risen 160% in the last couple of years?

Are you suggesting that people are switching off their living room tv to consume films on their phone? If so, can you back that up with stats?

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

If the majority of people are watching movies on their phone, why does the US AND U.K. have 96% of all households with at least one tv?

Also how has consumption of smart TVs risen 160% in the last couple of years?

Are you suggesting that people are switching off their living room tv to consume films on their phone? If so, can you back that up with stats?

My evidence is admittedly empirical. I'm sure NETFLIX has the stats but if you look around you with all those peepers glued to screens in waiting rooms, on public transit, places of employment, walking into oncoming traffic etc. you would know that if my assertion is not yet 100% accurate now, it will be in 20 minutes. The change is happening that fast.

You don't have to like it. My badgering of the kids working for me aside, I don't really care how anyone else consumes their media. I don't believe in "educating" anyone in the evils of watching a movie on your phone. I just don't believe that their choices are going to mean that I won't continue to see better quality in my HT in the future. That's just chicken little talk...

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

My evidence is admittedly empirical. I'm sure NETFLIX has the stats but if you look around you with all those peepers glued to screens in waiting rooms, on public transit, places of employment, walking into oncoming traffic etc. you would know that if my assertion is not yet 100% accurate now, it will be in 20 minutes. The change is happening that fast.

You don't have to like it. My badgering of the kids working for me aside, I don't really care how anyone else consumes their media. I don't believe in "educating" anyone in the evils of watching a movie on your phone. I just don't believe that their choices are going to mean that I won't continue to see better quality in my HT in the future. That's just chicken little talk...

That’s not evidence. People can’t carry a tv to waiting rooms, public transport, etc..

I repeat, if the MAJORITY of people are using phones, why do the VAST majority of US and U.K. households have a tv? A slight rise over the last two years by the way. 96, nearly 97%. That doesn’t add up.

The evidence suggests people use a wide range of devices, smart tv, laptops, mobile etc..

As of 2019, 8 out of ten viewers watch via a smart tv. (Netflix)

I very much doubt it’s changed that much in 2022 (especially considering the huge boost in tv viewing because of the pandemic)

[cheez avenger]

Gruv has a 3 4K disc for $30 deal going for Easter weekend. I scooped up:

Get Out
Hellboy 2
Split

You can also stack it with the 20% off code for a combined total of $26.46 with free shipping and sales tax. $8.82 per title!

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That’s not evidence. People can’t carry a tv to waiting rooms, public transport, etc..

I repeat, if the MAJORITY of people are using phones, why do the VAST majority of US and U.K. households have a tv? A slight rise over the last two years by the way. 96, nearly 97%. That doesn’t add up.

The evidence suggests people use a wide range of devices, smart tv, laptops, mobile etc..

As of 2019, 8 out of ten viewers watch via a smart tv. (Netflix)

I very much doubt it’s changed that much in 2022 (especially considering the huge boost in tv viewing because of the pandemic)

LOL...in every one of those livingrooms with a TV, there are at least one and sometimes multiple people watching some other device. When they are not home, they are watching on those devices.

Your responses in multiple threads indicates that this triggers you. I've seen threads where people seem to take umberage with what they perceive as an elitist bent to your posts and the whole thread devolves into an attack fest.

If I'm being honest, I think your comments indicate that you somewhat like to be thought of as an elitist, even as you simultaneously have a bit of a persecution complex.

In multiple threads, you make perfectly clear that you hold physical media not just as the gold standard, but that anyone viewing by other means is somehow, in some small way, contributing to the decline of civilized society.

This is the thread where we are discussing Physical vs Digital. There is exactly ONE guy claiming that digital is superior in quality. The rest of us have better gear than him and it's fairly obvious that better gear will only serve to highlight the quality difference between Physical and Digital.

You're just a bit too precious in your righteous indignation man.