Golden Age 3-D Features

[BleedOrange11]

Originally Posted by robtadrian

People were ready willing and able to fund conversion of the footage that was once lost for Southwest Passage as I recall years ago

Professional conversion costs $25K per minute. That was a dream, but it was never happening.

[Just_Discovered_3D]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

Professional conversion costs $25K per minute. That was a dream, but it was never happening.

Did the rate decrease? When Monster Hunter dropped i saw around here that the going rate was $100,000/minute.

If it should ever come to that again, would it be better to just release the 3D footage that is found while leaving the 2D only parts in 2D?

The idea of a general-purpose crowd fund has the advantage that it can allow latecomers to get in on the action.

[BleedOrange11]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2032

[robtadrian]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

Professional conversion costs $25K per minute. That was a dream, but it was never happening.

Oh yeah. Agreed but if people were willing to fund a conversion what would they pay for the real thing. The fact that Kino is aware the elements exist is a good sign.

[BleedOrange11]

People who said they wanted to fund its conversion weren't aware how much real conversions cost. It would be around $625,000 to convert the ~25min that were lost and now found.

[Jlardonio]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

People who said they wanted to fund its conversion weren't aware how much real conversions cost. It would be around $625,000 to convert the ~25min that were lost and now found.

Just thinking here with my buttons... aren't there foundations for art getting paid to do little than nothing that could finance these restorations and let 3DFA or other company to sell them?

Searching the web found this The Film Foundation. That could be a starting point to get these movies restored and released on 3D.

Just saying... if i'm dropping trash, never mind of it.

[BleedOrange11]

The Maze's restoration got funded because Martin Scorsese saw The Maze in 3D at a film festival and was a big fan of the movie and wanted his foundation to back that film. He hasn't offered to fund all remaining vintage 3D restorations. There has to be a generous benefactor who is a fan of a specific film, and so far Scorsese is the only "rich guy" to get involved.

[Jlardonio]

Yeah, okay. I get it, but these foundations are financed with governments money(tax payers money) and some corporations and private investors. These vintage movies should already been released or checked by those foundations to make it possible and release these art contents. That's their job, if they don't do it then there's no point for them to exist.

[T. Warren Scollan]

I think we can trust Bob and the crew to decide what film(s) to use these "generic" funds for first. And I believe even if it's not a film that we (both individually and collectively) prefer, I can think that we can trust that it will start with ones that are most financially viable.

[BleedOrange11]

The main reason this idea started is to "anonymously" crowdfund Flight to Tangier or other studio films that are not financially viable because they do not allow crowdfunding.

What major studio films are available to license and access and are still unrestored? Flight to Tangier, Southwest Passage, The Man Who Wasn't There, and Emmanuelle IV. That's it.

[Show spoiler](And there was even some question about The Man Who Wasn't There being available to license because of Paramount holding onto properties for the "Paramount Presents" Blu-ray line, which I'm 100% sure they aren't going to pick TMWWT to be a part of.)

[Show spoiler](Money from Home will also be available in a few years but can most likely be produced as a regular release without asking for fan donations.)

What 3D films are not currently financially viable and need an extra donation to make possible? Ones with extra expensive restorations, like those shot on 3-Strip Technicolor and 65mm. Ones being held hostage by collectors or foreign archives, looking to make their fortune.

[noirjunkie]

Originally Posted by Robert Furmanek

That's a VERY interesting idea and I have never considered a generic fundraising campaign. Do you really think people would respond if it weren't for a specific title?

You've spent years building a trustworthy reputation among a relatively small but deeply invested group of 3-D film fans. Every single project you've run a KS for, you've completed (or are in the process of completing). I can only speak for myself, but I'd be willing to kick in some coin for future projects without initially knowing exactly where it was going, simply because I trust your judgment and believe you'll make every effort to put the money toward projects you know 3-D fans will want to own.

[Jimmy_Melnarik]

Originally Posted by Robert Furmanek

That's a VERY interesting idea and I have never considered a generic fundraising campaign. Do you really think people would respond if it weren't for a specific title?

I'm ready to contribute at least $100 towards any 3DFA project. If there was some 'reward' like viewmaster reels, then I could be easily persuaded to contribute even more.

[globalimages2]

Even if some titles are available for possible 3D bluray release, but not commercially viable because the cost of licensing or i.e. the scanning cost of technicolor is too high, and the people/studio involved don't allow for a specific kickstarter, the 3dfilmarchive could just start a campaign with the goal set to the $dollar number needed to supplement the commercial viability of the project and probably get it funded without needing to release too specific information.

I.e. could run a kickstarter "Campaign to help publish an unnamed 50's era 3d title in blu-ray -- we need an additional $22.500 to make a new master we can then license".

No need to mention the title or much anything else. I trust Bob and the 3DFA crew and I'll contribute to that. If the goal is not reached, well, then it won't happen I guess, but worth the try IMHO. I know with the publishing of some titles some money is made, with some others very very little, the goal is obviously to never lose money which may still happen at times, and sometimes the 3dflimarchive is just hired to do a specific restoration or production job which they do very cost efficiently and with more heart and passion than pure business intent.

If you rather offer a more "tangible" reward for such a fund-raising style campaign, I would be delighted to contribute to a "booklet" (pdf is fine) with an original article about the history of the film being restored or any other similar token knowing the "profits" will go towards releasing the title on bluray eventually.

Physical goods cost too much to license the IP, produce and deliver, so something like a "podcast" or simple "video commentary/documentary" about a (3D) film history etc would probably be better. Nothing fancy. A proper documentary takes probably more work than the money that is going to get contributed

The list of 3D titles still locked somewhere is long still, and if the only thing separating us from some of them is a few $k's, why not try?

-Murder in 3-D (1941)
-Bwana Devil (1952)
-The Owl and the Pussycat (1952)
-Fort Ti (1953)
-Nat 'King' Cole and Russ Morgan and His Orchestra (1953)
-Melody (1953)
-Arena (1953)
-Hannah Lee (1953)
-Second Chance (1953)
-The Stranger Wore a Gun (1953)
-Devil's Canyon (1953)
-I, the Jury (1953)
-Cat-Women of the Moon (1953)
-The Moonlighter (1953)
-Louisiana Territory (1953)
-The Glass Web (1953)
-Flight to Tangier (1953)
-Hondo (1953)
-The Nebraskan (1953)
-The French Line (1953)
-Money from Home (1953)
-The Command (1954)
-Dangerous Mission (1954)
-Phantom of the Rue Morgue (1954)
-Southwest Passage (1954)
-Jesse James vs. the Daltons (1954)
-Gorilla at Large (1954)
-Son of Sinbad (1955)
-The Adventures of Sam Space (1955) [Edited: was already released on blu-ray]
-3D Jamboree (1956)

** [edited to add:]
-The Bounty Hunter (1954)
-Drums of Tahiti (1954)
-The Charge at Feather River (1953)
-Top Banana (1954) (if 3D elements are ever found)
**

Not to mention the foreign ones, such as Cavalleria Rusticana (1953), El festival de la tercera dimensión (1953), El lago de los cisnes (1953), El valor de vivir (1954) or El Jinete (1954) and others, some of which may already been lost. Also won't even mention the many Russian titles, some very worthy ones, specially in the current situation.

I know half a dozen of those will see the light of the day on 3D bluray eventually "on their own", but seems the rest are still a very unlikely event unless something more expensive than worth it is done about it soon.

And then there is still the Silver Age ...

[jtchance]

Originally Posted by globalimages2

Even if some titles are available for possible 3D bluray release, but not commercially viable because the cost of licensing or i.e. the scanning cost of technicolor is too high, and the people/studio involved don't allow for a specific kickstarter, the 3dfilmarchive could just start a campaign with the goal set to the $dollar number needed to supplement the commercial viability of the project and probably get it funded without needing to release too specific information.

I.e. could run a kickstarter "Campaign to help publish an unnamed 50's era 3d title in blu-ray -- we need an additional $22.500 to make a new master we can then license".

No need to mention the title or much anything else. I trust Bob and the 3DFA crew and I'll contribute to that. If the goal is not reached, well, then it won't happen I guess, but worth the try IMHO. I know with the publishing of some titles some money is made, with some others very very little, the goal is obviously to never lose money which may still happen at times, and sometimes the 3dflimarchive is just hired to do a specific restoration or production job which they do very cost efficiently and with more heart and passion than pure business intent.

If you rather offer a more "tangible" reward for such a fund-raising style campaign, I would be delighted to contribute to a "booklet" (pdf is fine) with an original article about the history of the film being restored or any other similar token knowing the "profits" will go towards releasing the title on bluray eventually.

Physical goods cost too much to license the IP, produce and deliver, so something like a "podcast" or simple "video commentary/documentary" about a (3D) film history etc would probably be better. Nothing fancy. A proper documentary takes probably more work than the money that is going to get contributed

The list of 3D titles still locked somewhere is long still, and if the only thing separating us from some of them is a few $k's, why not try?

-Murder in 3-D (1941)
-Bwana Devil (1952)
-The Owl and the Pussycat (1952)
-Fort Ti (1953)
-Nat 'King' Cole and Russ Morgan and His Orchestra (1953)
-Melody (1953)
-Arena (1953)
-Hannah Lee (1953)
-Second Chance (1953)
-The Stranger Wore a Gun (1953)
-Devil's Canyon (1953)
-I, the Jury (1953)
-Cat-Women of the Moon (1953)
-The Moonlighter (1953)
-Louisiana Territory (1953)
-The Glass Web (1953)
-Flight to Tangier (1953)
-Hondo (1953)
-The Nebraskan (1953)
-The French Line (1953)
-Money from Home (1953)
-The Command (1954)
-Dangerous Mission (1954)
-Phantom of the Rue Morgue (1954)
-Southwest Passage (1954)
-Jesse James vs. the Daltons (1954)
-Gorilla at Large (1954)
-Son of Sinbad (1955)
-The Adventures of Sam Space (1955)
-3D Jamboree (1956)

Not to mention the foreign ones, such as Cavalleria Rusticana (1953), El festival de la tercera dimensión (1953), El lago de los cisnes (1953), El valor de vivir (1954) or El Jinete (1954) and others, some of which may already been lost. Also won't even mention the many Russian titles, some very worthy ones, specially in the current situation.

I know half a dozen of those will see the light of the day on 3D bluray eventually "on their own", but seems the rest are still a very unlikely event unless something more expensive than worth it is done about it soon.

And then there is still the Silver Age ...

You left THE BOUNTY HUNTER off your list.

[globalimages2]

Yeap, there is always more .. I'm sure a couple more shorts and odd stuff still "somewhere around" !!!
Did the Bugs Bunny cartoon Lumber Jack-Bunny (1953) make it into any 3D blu-ray releases yet?

[robtadrian]

Did the Bugs Bunny cartoon Lumber Jack-Bunny (1953) make it into any 3D blu-ray releases yet?[/QUOTE]

Sadly no...not yet. Bugs "turns" 85 in 3 years, would be a great anniversary gift

[BleedOrange11]

Originally Posted by globalimages2

Yeap, there is always more .. I'm sure a couple more shorts and odd stuff still "somewhere around" !!!
Did the Bugs Bunny cartoon Lumber Jack-Bunny (1953) make it into any 3D blu-ray releases yet?

Warner released it flat on Blu-ray. Reportedly there are a lot of pseudostereoscopic/inverted backgrounds in the short, so it basically requires 3D conversion to fix, which is too costly for its restoration budget.

[Just_Discovered_3D]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

Warner released it flat on Blu-ray. Reportedly there are a lot of pseudostereoscopic/inverted backgrounds in the short, so it basically requires 3D conversion to fix, which is too costly for its restoration budget.

Was it bungled in its original release?

[noirjunkie]

What are the chances of Arena (1953) making it onto 3-D blu-ray?

[BleedOrange11]

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

Was it bungled in its original release?

Yes, pseudostereoscopic since 1953.