Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It doesn't seem like that much in practice, but, yeah, the polarized passive 3D glasses have a dimming effect, too. The difference is that unlike that filter on the passive 3D TV screen, you can take the glasses off when watching 2D content, but the filter always remains.

"Passive 3D TVs have a special filter on the screen that works with the polarized lenses in the glasses to block out either the even or odd lines on a 3D content. One eye only sees the odd lines and the other eye only sees the even line of the picture to produce a viewable 3D image."

https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup...icles/00011139

All 3D glasses block half of the light.

3D TVs
Active 3D vs Passive 3D:

"When you put on the glasses, you will notice the brightness of the screen has been reduced by about half. With both methods (active and passive), only half the light gets to the eye. With an active 3D TV, the lenses of the glasses are black half of the time. With a passive 3D TV, one line out of two is black. To compensate, most TVs will automatically increase the brightness when displaying 3D content."

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/3d-t...ft%20for%20odd).

"Another problem with 3D TV is that 3D images are much dimmer than 2D images. As a result, TV makers made the big mistake of not incorporating increased light output technologies into 3D TVs to compensate.

However, what is ironic, is that with the introduction of HDR technology in 2015, TVs began to be made with increased light output capability. This would have benefited the 3D viewing experience, but in a counter-intuitive move, TV makers decided to dump the 3D viewing option..."

https://www.lifewire.com/why-3d-tv-died-4126776

There were so many missed opportunities with 3D home video. Incompatible competing systems that sowed confusion, susceptibility to headaches for many people, and failure to incorporate the increased light output described above. Thankfully, 3D is still supported by most projectors (requiring active shutter glasses), but having to import almost all newer 3D blu-rays is a nuisance and an extra expense that often necessitates owning a region free blu-ray player.

Don’t forget there are some cracking 3DFA releases still coming. I, The Jury has just been confirmed for example. Of all the 3D titles I have seen, the Golden and Silver Age titles continuously impress me.

[Wendell R. Breland]

A just in case:

Sony Electronics Unveils Three New Native 4K HDR Laser Home Cinema Projectors (link)

All have a laser diode light source. The 5000 does not support 3D and has several AVS members . Still, good news for home theater items that was supposed to be extinct years ago.

[JohnAV]

Box Office: ‘Bad Guys’ Stays No. 1 as ‘Memory’ Fails Liam Neeson - Hollywood Reporter 5/1

The good news: the box office is expected to blow up next week when 'Doctor Strange in Multiverse of Madness' opens.

Think of it as the lull before the storm.

Family products led a quiet weekend at the box office as most moviegoers await the release of Marvel’s Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness on May 6.

Universal and DreamWorks Animation’s The Bad Guys fell a scant 33 percent to stay at No. 1 in its sophomore outing with $16.1 million for a domestic total of $44.4 million and $118.7 million worldwide.

Fellow PG pic Sonic the Hedgehog 2 stayed at No. 2 in its fourth weekend with $11.4 million for an eye-popping domestic cume of $160.9 million for Paramount and $323.5 million worldwide.

Warner Bros.’ troubled Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore grossed $8.3 million in its third outing for a domestic total of $79.6 million. Overseas, the event pic has fared better, earning $250 million to date for a worldwide tally of $329.6 million.

Focus Features and New Regency’s big-budget specialty pic The Northman fell 48 percent in its sophomore outing to come in No. 4 with $6.1 million for a domestic tally of $21.8 million.

A24’s specialty hit Everything Everywhere All at Once fell was actually up 2 percent as it grossed $5.5 million from more than 2,200 theaters for a domestic cume of $25.5 million.

The weekend’s only new wide release was Liam Neeson’s latest action pic, Memory. The indie film only managed to come in No. 8 with $3.1 million for Open Road Films/Briarcliff Entertainment. Memory stars Neeson as an aging hitman with early onset dementia who is forced to go on the run.

Final trailer

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - NEW FINAL TRAILER (2022) Marvel Studios - YouTube

[cheez avenger]

I guess I'm going to just blind buy The Northman on 4K disc, because I have not been able to get to the cinema yet. It looks to be a bomb, as well, so that's unfortunate.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

I guess I'm going to just blind buy The Northman on 4K disc, because I have not been able to get to the cinema yet. It looks to be a bomb, as well, so that's unfortunate.

Same here, holiday and football schedules getting in the way with this one. 4K disc is a priority. Friends reckon it’s great.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

You mean soccer ?

Nope, football.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You lose approx. 40% of the light produced wearing polarized 3D glasses

Edit- I see Lee said polarized glasses and replied about the 3D light loss with projectors and active glasses. Some say light output is halved with active glasses.

On my Sony 285ES projector 3D looked amazing.

On my JVC RS3100 projector 3D also looks amazing.

In both cases you could use the high bulb or laser setting for that 30% light output you never otherwise use.

I'm glad the higher end Sony projectors still have 3D.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bhampton

In both cases you could use the high bulb or laser setting for that 30% light output you never otherwise use.

My VW600 projector switches to high lamp mode with 3D. Not sure this can be overridden.

I'm glad the higher end Sony projectors still have 3D.

Me too!!! Its that none of the higher end 4K DLP projectors have 3D.

[alchav21]

Well I told you guys this was coming, so the plans are already unfolding. You guys say that Media Servers are the answer to accessing your Content. The Network Operators are talking 50G!

https://www.lightreading.com/broadba.../d/d-id/777157

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well I told you guys this was coming, but the plans are already unfolding. You guys see that Media Servers are the answer to accessing your Content. The Network Operators are talking 50G!

https://www.lightreading.com/broadba.../d/d-id/777157

Picking a disc is my answer to accessing content. Piss easy. Extend arm when disc is selected, pull it from shelves, place it in player, boom!

[bhampton]

How any Gs is that though?

I mean 3 or 4 Gs is good but 50 has a kind of ka pow type sound after seeing so much 5G hype.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well I told you guys this was coming, but the plans are already unfolding. You guys see that Media Servers are the answer to accessing your Content. The Network Operators are talking 50G!

https://www.lightreading.com/broadba.../d/d-id/777157

I can access all of the content on my discs just fine and no one will ever be able to stop me from accessing any of it.

An increase in bandwidth will never prevent studios from being able to delete or modify streaming content.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well I told you guys this was coming, but the plans are already unfolding. You guys see that Media Servers are the answer to accessing your Content. The Network Operators are talking 50G!

https://www.lightreading.com/broadba.../d/d-id/777157

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...s-a-squid-game

Insiders say streaming executives are becoming less adventurous—or more populist, depending on your point of view—because they’re spooked by the overcrowded market and uncertain about how to keep expanding (and retaining) their subscriber bases. Netflix’s stock price plunged after an earnings report projected a loss of 2 million global subscribers by June. A top executive there also said that they are exploring a lower-priced subscription that would include commercials. “I’m always a little bit worried that half the streamers will go away at a certain point,” says Alan Yang, cocreator of unconventional comedies like Netflix’s Master of None, Amazon’s Forever, and Apple TV+’s upcoming Loot. “Can the market sustain all of them spending the way they are and making the number of shows that they make?”

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...s-a-squid-game

We will end up with two or three major services, with the rest bought up or ended.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well I told you guys this was coming, but the plans are already unfolding. You guys see that Media Servers are the answer to accessing your Content. The Network Operators are talking 50G!

Problem is you don't play in the same playground as many here do so you do not understand the complexity of a larger system. Example, add a immersive AVR to your viewing area and tell us how you fared. When you get that up and running you need to add DV, view in original resolution and frame rate. When you have all that in place then you will need to post your PQ curves of your display.

Before you start you may want to read the Apple thread and Nvidia Shield thread.

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well I told you guys this was coming, but the plans are already unfolding. You guys see that Media Servers are the answer to accessing your Content. The Network Operators are talking 50G!

https://www.lightreading.com/broadba.../d/d-id/777157

What does super fast internet speeds moving large amounts of data quickly have to do with internal media servers? They are talking 50 gigabit bandwidth, not data limits.

And 5G wireless if different entirely, it does not mean it transfers data at 5 gigabits. It's much slower.

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[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by whipnet

What does super fast internet speeds moving large amounts of data quickly have to do with internal media servers? They are talking 50 gigabit bandwidth, not data limits.

And 5G wireless if different entirely, it does not mean it transfers data at 5 gigabits. It's much slower.

A few delusionals believe providers are going to start serving up streaming at BD data rates. Keep telling them the world seems quite content with ≤ 4 Mbps (here).

A while back Sony said they would provide up to 80 Mbps video service to owners of the new Bravia series. Weird the audio was lossy DTS 5.1

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Problem is you don't play in the same playground as many here do so you do not understand the complexity of a larger system.

You're right those days are gone, I had a nice Sound System setup but they belong to a younger man. Now I have different priorities and prefer to spend my money on things like Travel. But I do have some questions for you guys with these expensive elaborate System setups. The Displays have to be 75"+, solid AVR, with Immersive Speaker System no Sound Bars. I'd say over $10K, more like $20K-$50K+.....No that is too much for a Basic System! My upgrades will be a 75" 8K+ UHD Sony and State of the Art Immersive Headphones!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're right those days are gone, I had a nice Sound System setup but they belong to a younger man. Now I have different priorities and prefer to spend my money on these like Travel. But I do have some questions for you guys with these expensive elaborate System setups. The Displays have to be 75"+, solid AVR, with Immersive Speaker System no Sound Bars. I'd say over $10K, more like $20K-$50K+.....No that is too much for a Basic System! My upgrades will be a 75" 8K+ UHD Sony and State of the Art Immersive Headphones!

So why not just tell the truth from the start rather then pretending that digital was EVER going to match disc? Your not a HT enthusiast, you prefer travelling. Thanks for confirming what we all know anyway!

Also, I had a chuckle at your immersive headphones line!

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're right those days are gone, I had a nice Sound System setup but they belong to a younger man. Now I have different priorities and prefer to spend my money on these like Travel. But I do have some questions for you guys with these expensive elaborate System setups. The Displays have to be 75"+, solid AVR, with Immersive Speaker System no Sound Bars. I'd say over $10K, more like $20K-$50K+.....No that is too much for a Basic System! My upgrades will be a 75" 8K+ UHD Sony and State of the Art Immersive Headphones!

For some sure, but for others, no.

I know when I first got into 4K about 2 - 2.5 years or so I probably spent no more than $1200 for my set-up. The key was that I used some of my existing legacy gear to cut down on cost. I had a small budget and I could only do a 5.2.2 Atmos configuration.

I know there are folks that can do higher-end HT's and whatnot, but you work with you can, because this is still a hobby/luxury.