La règle du jeu (The Rules of the Game) 4K UHD (1939) - Blu-ray Forum

TheBondFan · 05-09-2022, 09:15 AM

https://www.amazon.fr/rÃ¨gle-Jeu-4k-...vd%2C80&sr=1-1

Waldorf · 05-09-2022, 12:55 PM

Call me a skeptic, but the extant sources don't exactly seem like a great candidate for 4k.

TheBondFan · 05-09-2022, 01:22 PM

NeilZ · 05-09-2022, 02:39 PM

Is this ESC editions first 4K? I guess Criterion might do it here someday.

TheBondFan · 05-09-2022, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NeilZ

Is this ESC editions first 4K? I guess Criterion might do it here someday.

Definitely not, they already released Halloween and Zombie and announced Candyman + The House by the Cemetery.

yoloswegmaster420 · 05-09-2022, 03:42 PM

I was going to assume that they are going to use the new 4K restoration that was done by the Cinémathèque française, Les Grands Films Classiques, Criterion Collection and the Cinémathèque suisse but the runtime of the UHD is listed as 107 minutes, while the new restoration is clocked in at 112 minutes.

Yami · 05-10-2022, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by yoloswegmaster420

I was going to assume that they are going to use the new 4K restoration that was done by the Cinémathèque française, Les Grands Films Classiques, Criterion Collection and the Cinémathèque suisse but the runtime of the UHD is listed as 107 minutes, while the new restoration is clocked in at 112 minutes.

Are you just going off the Amazon details? They're often inaccurate.

mande2013 · 06-25-2022, 04:16 PM

I suspect this will be a similar scenario to The 400 Blows where the film only gets a 4K blu-ray release for the French market, given the state of the extant sources. The OCN doesn't even exist anymore.

Ben Stoddart of BFI was reluctant to release a 4K blu-ray of The 400 Blows, due to the state of the source material for that film and said for reasons he didn't elaborate on that a 4K would be viable in the French market but not in the UK. I can foresee a similar scenario with Rules of the Game. I preordered this regardless.

P.S. What is ESC's track record with UHD encodings. Is there a risk of this being StudioCanal Le Cercle Rouge-level bad?

M A · 08-18-2022, 11:54 AM

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...195973&i=8&l=1

beautiful.

Though doesn't look as good here, here, or here.

grahams76 · 08-18-2022, 12:20 PM

Amazon.fr says this has English subtitles. Has this been confirmed?

Blabliblo · 08-18-2022, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by M A

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...195973&i=8&l=1

I know it might stem from the SDR conversion, but isn't it a bit too dark / contrasted ? It seems like many details can be lost within the shadow areas, like here or here.

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Originally Posted by grahams76

Amazon.fr says this has English subtitles. Has this been confirmed?

Well, the caps-a-holic description states English subs.

M A · 08-18-2022, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Blabliblo

I know it might stem from the SDR conversion, but isn't it a bit too dark / contrasted ? It seems like many details can be lost within the shadow areas, like here or here.

I've looked at it for a while and it looks to me like the old blu has been boosted and the new 4K looks closer to how it should be

grahams76 · 08-18-2022, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Blabliblo

Well, the caps-a-holic description states English subs.

Nice. I've never looked that far down the page before.

andjar01 · 08-18-2022, 01:59 PM

Better grain, enhanced contrast, crushed shadows....not enough for me to want to upgrade my criterion disc very soon.

Waldorf · 08-19-2022, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by M A

I've looked at it for a while and it looks to me like the old blu has been boosted and the new 4K looks closer to how it should be

The Criterion Blu is one of poorest looking in the format. I always put it down to the quality of the source but these caps say otherwise.

RDA · 08-24-2022, 03:54 PM

I have the release. The UHD definitely does have English subtitles. After a quick check of the disc, the subtitles are either identical or very similar to the subtitles on the Criterion blu-ray.

Strangely, the blu-ray disc included with this release is not sourced from the 4K restoration, has a different framerate to the UHD disc, and does not have English subtitles, even though the blu-ray disc has artwork to match the UHD disc.

bytor · 09-09-2022, 11:00 PM

I received mine from fnac, it arrived mint and took less than a week to the U.S. I watched it last night and it was a much better viewing experience than the Criterion release I saw years ago, massive upgrade.

mande2013 · 03-16-2023, 10:15 AM

I wonder how Criterion's UHD will compare to this.

UHDLoverForever · 08-13-2024, 11:53 PM

I've heard that this UHD has HDR turned on by accident. How to fix this after ripping the disc to an MKV file, for example? And in the UHD player?

professorwho · 08-14-2024, 12:12 AM

The restoration was finished in SDR and forced into an HDR container by the authoring house. It's possible you might be able to use your player and/or TV to force it into SDR, but given that it's hit or miss, the Criterion UHD is the way to go, even with its low pass filtering, due to preserving the original dynamic range and being compatible with any and all displays. The BFI Blu-ray would also be a good substitute, I'd imagine.

05-09-2022, 09:15 AM	#1
TheBondFan Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jun 2020 Location:France Trading Score:1	La règle du jeu (The Rules of the Game) 4K UHD (1939) https://www.amazon.fr/rÃ¨gle-Jeu-4k-...vd%2C80&sr=1-1

08-18-2022, 11:54 AM	#9
M A Senior Member Member since:Jun 2021 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:-	https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...195973&i=8&l=1 beautiful. Though doesn't look as good here, here, or here. Last edited by M A; 08-18-2022 at 12:02 PM.

05-09-2022, 12:55 PM	#2
Waldorf Active Member Member since:Oct 2018	Call me a skeptic, but the extant sources don't exactly seem like a great candidate for 4k.

05-09-2022, 01:22 PM	#3
TheBondFan Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jun 2020 Location:France Trading Score:1

05-09-2022, 02:39 PM	#4
NeilZ Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2021	Is this ESC editions first 4K? I guess Criterion might do it here someday.

05-09-2022, 03:42 PM	#6
yoloswegmaster420 Power Member Member since:May 2015	I was going to assume that they are going to use the new 4K restoration that was done by the Cinémathèque française, Les Grands Films Classiques, Criterion Collection and the Cinémathèque suisse but the runtime of the UHD is listed as 107 minutes, while the new restoration is clocked in at 112 minutes.

06-25-2022, 04:16 PM	#8
mande2013 Special Member Member since:Nov 2014 Location:Paris, France 4K collection:65 Blu-ray collection:322	I suspect this will be a similar scenario to The 400 Blows where the film only gets a 4K blu-ray release for the French market, given the state of the extant sources. The OCN doesn't even exist anymore. Ben Stoddart of BFI was reluctant to release a 4K blu-ray of The 400 Blows, due to the state of the source material for that film and said for reasons he didn't elaborate on that a 4K would be viable in the French market but not in the UK. I can foresee a similar scenario with Rules of the Game. I preordered this regardless. P.S. What is ESC's track record with UHD encodings. Is there a risk of this being StudioCanal Le Cercle Rouge-level bad?

08-18-2022, 12:20 PM	#10
grahams76 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jun 2013 Location:Perth, Australia 4K collection:410 Blu-ray collection:2096 DVD collection:256 Digital collection:1 Trading Score:18	Amazon.fr says this has English subtitles. Has this been confirmed?

08-18-2022, 01:59 PM	#14
andjar01 Active Member Member since:Jul 2018 4K collection:685 Blu-ray collection:3256	Better grain, enhanced contrast, crushed shadows....not enough for me to want to upgrade my criterion disc very soon.

08-24-2022, 03:54 PM	#16
RDA Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Feb 2011 Location:UK 4K collection:46 Blu-ray collection:119	I have the release. The UHD definitely does have English subtitles. After a quick check of the disc, the subtitles are either identical or very similar to the subtitles on the Criterion blu-ray. Strangely, the blu-ray disc included with this release is not sourced from the 4K restoration, has a different framerate to the UHD disc, and does not have English subtitles, even though the blu-ray disc has artwork to match the UHD disc.

09-09-2022, 11:00 PM	#17
bytor Special Member Member since:Jan 2010 Blu-ray collection:53 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	I received mine from fnac, it arrived mint and took less than a week to the U.S. I watched it last night and it was a much better viewing experience than the Criterion release I saw years ago, massive upgrade.

03-16-2023, 10:15 AM	#18
mande2013 Special Member Member since:Nov 2014 Location:Paris, France 4K collection:65 Blu-ray collection:322	I wonder how Criterion's UHD will compare to this.

08-13-2024, 11:53 PM	#19
UHDLoverForever Banned Member since:May 2024	I've heard that this UHD has HDR turned on by accident. How to fix this after ripping the disc to an MKV file, for example? And in the UHD player?

08-14-2024, 12:12 AM	#20
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	The restoration was finished in SDR and forced into an HDR container by the authoring house. It's possible you might be able to use your player and/or TV to force it into SDR, but given that it's hit or miss, the Criterion UHD is the way to go, even with its low pass filtering, due to preserving the original dynamic range and being compatible with any and all displays. The BFI Blu-ray would also be a good substitute, I'd imagine.

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