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Robert Zohn · 05-12-2022, 12:41 PM

I believe the Z9D measurements were taken pre-calibration and in the "Vivid" picture mode. We measured the X95K after calibration in the "Custom Professional" picture mode.

Also the X95K MLL is 0 black and the new MiniLED with Sony's new Backlight Master Drive has no blooming.

samlop10 · 05-13-2022, 03:47 PM

Samsung’s QD-OLED review:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/s95b-oled

As expected, basically everything is pumped brighter than it should be. At least the color volume and gamut are pretty promising for Sony’s version of QD-OLED which will hopefully/probably be way more accurate. Now to wait for a 77”+ model…

The raised blacks due to ambient light does seem a little concerning though… I wonder if Sony will add a polarizing filter or such to avoid that.

DisplayCalNoob · 05-14-2022, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lgans316

Sony 85" Inch X95K 4K Mini LED TV Review + Measurements ( After 1 Week ) - YouTube

ZD9

X95K

Really excited about the X95K and A95K, Sony appears to be taking the best approach to HDR. Not chasing peak nits to put more energy to APL, by focusing on 75% and 80% windows. Although we have yet to get real world numbers on the on the A95K, I believe they will focus energy on APL.

DisplayCalNoob · 05-14-2022, 04:56 PM

The RTINGS score is just about numbers.

batman2000 · 05-15-2022, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by samlop10

Samsung’s QD-OLED review:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/s95b-oled

As expected, basically everything is pumped brighter than it should be. At least the color volume and gamut are pretty promising for Sony’s version of QD-OLED which will hopefully/probably be way more accurate. Now to wait for a 77”+ model…

The raised blacks due to ambient light does seem a little concerning though… I wonder if Sony will add a polarizing filter or such to avoid that.

I’m surprised Samsung didn’t have quality control with the s95b.

lgans316 · 05-15-2022, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by batman2000

I’m NOT surprised Samsung didn’t have quality control with the s95b.

Corrected for you.

The TV tech can easily show colours without dilution at higher brightness yet Samsung decided to cook up colours in the name of pop.

Jay Mammoth · 05-15-2022, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by batman2000

I’m surprised Samsung didn’t have quality control with the s95b.

They have never been about accuracy, one of the reasons I wont buy a Samsung.

lgans316 · 05-16-2022, 08:46 PM

Looks like Samsung will be issuing firmware update in response to VT's criticisms.

samlop10 · 05-16-2022, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lgans316

Looks like Samsung will be issuing firmware update in response to VT's criticisms.

I wouldn’t hold my breath for an update that actually fixes the lack of accuracy, but who knows, I guess they might surprise us.

lgans316 · 05-16-2022, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samlop10

I wouldn’t hold my breath for an update that actually fixes the lack of accuracy, but who knows, I guess they might surprise us.

Not sure but VT has posted it in Twitter. At least a step in the right direction.

batman2000 · 05-17-2022, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by lgans316

Not sure but VT has posted it in Twitter. At least a step in the right direction.

Yeah but how long until Samsung gives us a actual release date?

nick4Knight · 05-17-2022, 07:03 AM

Someone said lately that manufacturers are now getting super smart (sly) putting emphasis on algorithms for putting out lots of nits more than typical viewing content, for showing off on 10% and 5% windows on the screen. It might be time for these reviewers to change up their practices. And the peak white centric mindset to relaying panel performance.

The whole reason my B8 still keeps me happy at "700 nits" is because it's clearly more than that on some clusters of pixels across the range of colours NOT white. This is something never talked about compared with obsessions on peak white measurement...

Geoff D · 05-17-2022, 01:20 PM

There's very much an overemphasis on peak white in terms of HDR performance, but as WRGB panels will pollute colour the higher the brightness goes (edit: https://www.lightillusion.com/calibr...tml#hdr_volume) then it makes me wonder if that continued focus on peak white by the "professionals" has been there to spare OLED's blushes more than anything. But there are colour clipping patterns on Spears & Munsil so you can see what your TV is doing to areas of high brightness in HDR, the main RGBYCM tones clip at about 1000 nits on my TV while luminance clips at 1800 or so.

BUT white is still very very important from a calibration perspective as it's how you gauge the colour temperature so you're never going to get away from it.

PaulGo · 05-18-2022, 06:34 PM

OLED TV breakthrough fixes all the tech's problems, and it's coming soon

https://www.techradar.com/news/oled-...ts-coming-soon

Tok · 05-18-2022, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DJR662

Unfortunately, the upcomig XW5000 does not have 3D (and on top of that no motorized lens functions either). I hope this will not become a trend.

The XW6000 will not be released in Europe, so that leaves the rather expensive XW7000 for us European Sony projector fans who still need 3D...

The JVC NZ7 is probably the lowest cost laser unit that will have 3D otherwise the cheapest option will be the bulb based JVC NP5 which will still have motorized lens and zoom as well.

Waboman · 05-18-2022, 10:21 PM

I’ve found with the right amount of tequila any display can become 3D. It’s a fine line tho. Too much 3D can make the following morning a bit tough.

lgans316 · 05-18-2022, 11:48 PM

Looks like Sony X95K Local Dining is muting tiny highlights in dark scenes similar to Samsung Q90A. Ex. Crushing star fields way too much. As of now it doesn't look like a replacement for the ZD9.

Tok · 05-19-2022, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waboman

I’ve found with the right amount of tequila any display can become 3D. It’s a fine line tho. Too much 3D can make the following morning a bit tough.

Not only 3D but motion simulation as well.

unberechenbar · 05-19-2022, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lgans316

Looks like Sony X95K Local Dining is muting tiny highlights in dark scenes similar to Samsung Q90A. Ex. Crushing star fields way too much. As of now it doesn't look like a replacement for the ZD9.

Will be interesting to see how the Z9K compares.

DisplayCalNoob · 05-19-2022, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lgans316

Looks like Sony X95K Local Dining is muting tiny highlights in dark scenes similar to Samsung Q90A. Ex. Crushing star fields way too much. As of now it doesn't look like a replacement for the ZD9.

Turns out, if you are referring to FOMO. He had local dimming set to High instead of medium.

05-17-2022, 01:20 PM	#953
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	There's very much an overemphasis on peak white in terms of HDR performance, but as WRGB panels will pollute colour the higher the brightness goes (edit: https://www.lightillusion.com/calibr...tml#hdr_volume) then it makes me wonder if that continued focus on peak white by the "professionals" has been there to spare OLED's blushes more than anything. But there are colour clipping patterns on Spears & Munsil so you can see what your TV is doing to areas of high brightness in HDR, the main RGBYCM tones clip at about 1000 nits on my TV while luminance clips at 1800 or so. BUT white is still very very important from a calibration perspective as it's how you gauge the colour temperature so you're never going to get away from it. Last edited by Geoff D; 05-17-2022 at 01:32 PM.

05-12-2022, 12:41 PM	#941
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	I believe the Z9D measurements were taken pre-calibration and in the "Vivid" picture mode. We measured the X95K after calibration in the "Custom Professional" picture mode. Also the X95K MLL is 0 black and the new MiniLED with Sony's new Backlight Master Drive has no blooming.

05-13-2022, 03:47 PM	#942
samlop10 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Dec 2010 Location:Austin TX Home Theater Gallery:53 4K collection:1041 Blu-ray collection:3901 DVD collection:9 Blu-ray reviews: 59 Trading Score:1	Samsung’s QD-OLED review: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/s95b-oled As expected, basically everything is pumped brighter than it should be. At least the color volume and gamut are pretty promising for Sony’s version of QD-OLED which will hopefully/probably be way more accurate. Now to wait for a 77”+ model… The raised blacks due to ambient light does seem a little concerning though… I wonder if Sony will add a polarizing filter or such to avoid that.

05-14-2022, 04:56 PM	#944
DisplayCalNoob Active Member Member since:Nov 2017	The RTINGS score is just about numbers.

05-16-2022, 08:46 PM	#948
lgans316 Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Location:RM16, United Kingdom Blu-ray reviews:17 Trading Score:498	Looks like Samsung will be issuing firmware update in response to VT's criticisms.

05-17-2022, 07:03 AM	#952
nick4Knight Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Perth, Australia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:386 Blu-ray collection:716	Someone said lately that manufacturers are now getting super smart (sly) putting emphasis on algorithms for putting out lots of nits more than typical viewing content, for showing off on 10% and 5% windows on the screen. It might be time for these reviewers to change up their practices. And the peak white centric mindset to relaying panel performance. The whole reason my B8 still keeps me happy at "700 nits" is because it's clearly more than that on some clusters of pixels across the range of colours NOT white. This is something never talked about compared with obsessions on peak white measurement...

05-18-2022, 06:34 PM	#954
PaulGo Power Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:North Potomac, MD	OLED TV breakthrough fixes all the tech's problems, and it's coming soon https://www.techradar.com/news/oled-...ts-coming-soon

05-18-2022, 10:21 PM	#956
Waboman Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Dec 2009 Location:In a van down by the river 4K collection:197 Blu-ray collection:500 Trading Score:3	I’ve found with the right amount of tequila any display can become 3D. It’s a fine line tho. Too much 3D can make the following morning a bit tough.

05-18-2022, 11:48 PM	#957
lgans316 Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Location:RM16, United Kingdom Blu-ray reviews:17 Trading Score:498	Looks like Sony X95K Local Dining is muting tiny highlights in dark scenes similar to Samsung Q90A. Ex. Crushing star fields way too much. As of now it doesn't look like a replacement for the ZD9.

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