Which is the best Hz when view 24p on Blu-ray?

[Spyder-97]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't any flat panel TV that can process 24fps video from the compatible BDs show basically the same motion detail irregardless of its maximum refresh rate (e.g. 600Hz plasma, 240Hz or 120Hz LCD)?

[luscious]

Originally Posted by Spyder-97

Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't any flat panel TV that can process 24fps video from the compatible BDs show basically the same motion detail irregardless of its maximum refresh rate (e.g. 600Hz plasma, 240Hz or 120Hz LCD)?

Without interpolation, it should be the same (only difference might be flicker or eye strain). With interpolation higher is better. But interpolation algorithms are not good yet.

[Spyder-97]

Originally Posted by luscious

Without interpolation, it should be the same (only difference might be flicker or eye strain). With interpolation higher is better. But interpolation algorithms are not good yet.

OK, based on this response and the later one, I would have to say the 60Hz to 120Hz LCDs would be the best for viewing 24p. From what I've seen first-hand and read, this particular group of TVs offers the most selection variety-wise and constitutes the majority of flat panel TV models. It seems logical to deduce that those TVs would offer the best interpolation (i.e. video engines, motion enhancements, etc.) due to the competition Makes sense?

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by Spyder-97

OK, based on this response and the later one, I would have to say the 60Hz to 120Hz LCDs would be the best for viewing 24p. From what I've seen first-hand and read, this particular group of TVs offers the most selection variety-wise and constitutes the majority of flat panel TV models. It seems logical to deduce that those TVs would offer the best interpolation (i.e. video engines, motion enhancements, etc.) due to the competition Makes sense?

No, it doesn't. To properly display 24p, your set must refresh at a multiple of 24. 60Hz does not work, as you will need to apply 3:2 pulldown. 120Hz would be your best overall choice (or 240Hz) if you elect to go with an LCD. For plasma, you will need to make sure the model has a 24p mode (not all do)where the set refresh rate adjusts to 48/72/96Hz, depending on model.

[Spyder-97]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

No, it doesn't. To properly display 24p, your set must refresh at a multiple of 24. 60Hz does not work, as you will need to apply 3:2 pulldown. 120Hz would be your best overall choice (or 240Hz) if you elect to go with an LCD. For plasma, you will need to make sure the model has a 24p mode (not all do)where the set refresh rate adjusts to 48/72/96Hz, depending on model.

Ok, I was partially wrong. Wrong about the 60Hz LCD aspect , but right about the 120Hz LCDs . Thanks. I get it, 120Hz can do it natively... without the 3:2 pulldown that may present jidder, etc.

[luscious]

Originally Posted by Spyder-97

OK, based on this response and the later one, I would have to say the 60Hz to 120Hz LCDs would be the best for viewing 24p.

No for viewing 24p you want the video to be able to be processed at a multiple of 24 so 60Hz would not work. 120Hz would be fine.

Regarding motion resolution ... some of the tests for motion resolution that are floated about are biased, basically designed by companies that make plasma televisions. They are not much more useful than the dynamic contrast ratios that are advertised.

If you are going to use it as a monitor as well the most important thing by far is that tv doesn't chop off part of the image. Even if you're not going to do that, you want the whole image for movies too even if nothing important is chopped off ... chopping off part of the image causes image distortion (basically the image will not fit the native resolution perfectly so it would need to be upconverted to fit -- these are your blu-rays ...). I would not roll the dice on plasma for that reason (since hardly anyone uses them as monitors, they might not include that feature or implement it well).

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by luscious

Regarding motion resolution ... some of the tests for motion resolution that are floated about are biased, basically designed by companies that make plasma televisions. They are not much more useful than the dynamic contrast ratios that are advertised.

Bias is obvious, though it's not coming from test data. It's obvious you have issues with plasma ("...I hate plasmas..."), so that automatically puts you at the bottom of my credibility list. But regarding your comment on motion resolution; care to share ANY reputable data (other than what I've already provided) to support your claim the tests are biased toward plasma? I thought not. Actually, your statement is sort-of correct. The tests are biased toward plasma because plasma is able to properly display motion whereas LCD cannot (without artificially changing the original picture and adding false frames using motion interpolation software). I suppose these same tests when applied to CRT are also biased toward plasma, even though CRT can display upwards of 1080 lines of motion?

In the end, though, let your eyes be your guide. I've yet to see blurring or motion problems on plasma, yet every LCD I have ever viewed has had some degree of motion blurring (without the soap-opera interpolation turned-on). To me, it makes the picture unwatchable (both blur and interpolation), which is one of the many reasons I will stay with my plasmas.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by Spyder-97

Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't any flat panel TV that can process 24fps video from the compatible BDs show basically the same motion detail irregardless of its maximum refresh rate (e.g. 600Hz plasma, 240Hz or 120Hz LCD)?

Refresh rate has very little to do with motion resolution. Even 120Hz LCDs fare poorly (300-600 lines of motion resolution) without specific motion interpolation settings being turned-on (on certain sets). See here for 2008 test data. Plasma, due to different technology, does not suffer significantly when it come to motion resolution. Most sets display 850-1080 lines without any gimmicky "interpolation". Also, plasmas are not 600Hz. When you see numbers like that in plasma marketing, it refers to sub-field drives, which are mostly used simply to throw-out a bigger number for the sheeple to drool over. It "may" help to some small degree in bringing some plasmas up to a full 1080 lines of motion resolution, but I'm not totally convinced of that yet.

If you are simply referring to the various displays, with 24p on, displaying a similar judder/flicker-free picture when playing a BD, then yes, they all pretty much display similar pictures in this respect. However, that's where the similarities end.