Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Except in the 80's there was no $20 choice for months worth of content. CBL was pretty much it unless you went with the giant SAT dish. And of course free OTA if you could get it.

IIRC HBO was in the $12-14 range and Showtime was in the $10-13 a month range. That was the argument then, why spend x amount on LD when I can get HBO or/and Showtime.

I really wanted C band satellite but our HOA forbid satellite dishes. We refereed to home C band satellite dishes as BUD's (Big, Ugly Dish). But they were really not that big, our Andrews C band dish at work (10M, about 33') left and 8M C and Ku steerable, right:

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[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IIRC HBO was in the $12-14 range and Showtime was in the $10-13 a month range. That was the argument then, why spend x amount on LD when I can get HBO or/and Showtime.

I really wanted C band satellite but our HOA forbid satellite dishes. We refereed to home C band satellite dishes as BUD's (Big, Ugly Dish). But they were really not that big, our Andrews C band dish at work (10M, about 33') left and 8M C and Ku steerable, right:

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I wanted one of those in the worst way back in the day, but my wallet wouldn't allow it...

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Each streaming service offers thousands of hours of content viewing. For a cost around $15 a month or less. I don't see how one particular title compares to that. You are talking about a single movie versus hundreds of movies for less money.

More content does not equal better content. My collection will always be far better suited to my tastes than any streaming service.

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Don't forget the AVOD streaming services like Pluto and Tubi - no cost to you - they are free.

They are only free if you consider your time to be worthless.

Originally Posted by bhampton

The only ads I typically see in the theater are during the SuperBowl. I don't even mute those if I have guests.

The only ads I ever see are images on websites. I haven't seen a video ad in years.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

agree and honestly it bugs me too when someone pretends the streaming service should keep and always make available content people will want to continue to watch.

I don't think they should. I don't think that any companies should have to continue spending money on products that are no longer profitable. But on the flip side I won't buy any products that require continual support to function.

With physical media I can watch all of my discs for the rest of my life and it won't cost any of the studios or distributors a cent.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

I wanted one of those in the worst way back in the day, but my wallet wouldn't allow it...

Back in the day Heathkit offered a C-Band receiver in kit form but it was still several thousand. Had to get a new Heath catalog because I drooled so on the old one. The Heath was a Scientific Atlanta in kit form. I believe to this day the premiums still distribute only on C-Band. PBS added Ku distribution many years ago.

Heath info and my Wineguard 5100 for PBS (now with a quad LNB):

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[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Back in the day Heathkit offered a C-Band receiver in kit form but it was still several thousand. Had to get a new Heath catalog because I drooled so on the old one. The Heath was a Scientific Atlanta in kit form. I believe to this day the premiums still distribute only on C-Band. PBS added Ku distribution many years ago.

Heath info and my Wineguard 5100 for PBS (now with a quad LNB):

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It's so funny that I would have drooled over an add like that back in the day...

Looking at it now, it's hilarious to see that couple casually sipping their ice tea in their backyard next to that monstrosity.. 😂

[JohnAV]

Box Office: ‘Top Gun 2’ Scores Record $86M Second Weekend, Hits $549M Globally - Hollywood Reporter 6/5

'Top Gun: Maverick' is enjoying the lowest drop in history for a movie opening to $100 million or more, in addition becoming Tom Cruise's biggest film in the U.S.

Joseph Kosinski’s Top Gun: Maverick is showing no signs of slowing down.

The Paramount and Skydance tentpole, starring Tom Cruise, is doing massive business in its second weekend. The sequel earned an estimated $86 million to boast the smallest decline ever — 32 percent — for a movie opening domestically to $100 million or more. Shrek 2, which launched to $108 million, fell 33 percent, according to Comscore.

Top Gun: Maverick has earned an estimated $291.6 million through Sunday in North America and $548.6 million globally. Top Gun 2 continues to fly high overseas, where it is likewise holding strong. It earning another $81.7 million for a foreign tally of $257 million.

On Saturday, Top Gun: Maverick became Cruise’s top-grossing film domestically when passing up 2005’s The War of the Worlds ($243.3 million), not adjusted for inflation. That’s after zooming past the first Top Gun ($180.3 million) and Cruise’s Mission: Impossible films, including the last installment, Mission: Impossible — Fallout ($220.2 million).

Internationally, Top Gun: Maverick is already well ahead of the $176 million earned by the first Top Gun, not adjusted for inflation. The U.K. leads with $39.7 million. However, it is far from matching many of the recent Mission: Impossible films at the foreign box office. One reason — the sequel isn’t getting a release in China or Russia.

The movie’s overall performance is a huge win for the summer box office and shows that people are eager to return to theaters after two years of sparse Hollywood product due to the pandemic.

In North America, Top Gun: Maverick had the playing field largely to itself until next weekend when Jurassic World: Dominion lands across the U.S.

Overseas, Jurassic World 3 began opening midweek week in 15 markets for an estimated total $55.5 million through Friday. It’s doing strong business in Mexico, Brazil and Italy in particular.

Other weekend highlights included Marvel and Disney’s Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness crossing $900 million — no small feat. The film placed No. 2 domestically with $9.3 million in its fifth outing for a domestic total of $388.7 million. Overseas, it has earned $520.7 million for a cume of $909.4 million.

Elsewhere, Cannes Film Festival entry Crimes of the Future, from David Cronenberg, opened to a disappointing $1 million. Neon launched the film in 773 theaters, a wide footprint for a specialty title. The film placed No. 10.

A24’s Everything Everywhere All At Once continued to be the big specialty headline as it hit $60 million in its 11th weekend upon earning $2 million for a domestic cume of $60.5 million.

June 5, 7:40 a.m.: Updated with revised estimates.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

More content does not equal better content. My collection will always be far better suited to my tastes than any streaming service.



They are only free if you consider your time to be worthless.



The only ads I ever see are images on websites. I haven't seen a video ad in years.



I don't think they should. I don't think that any companies should have to continue spending money on products that are no longer profitable. But on the flip side I won't buy any products that require continual support to function.

With physical media I can watch all of my discs for the rest of my life and it won't cost any of the studios or distributors a cent.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Box Office: ‘Top Gun 2’ Scores Record $86M Second Weekend, Hits $549M Globally - Hollywood Reporter 6/5

'Top Gun: Maverick' is enjoying the lowest drop in history for a movie opening to $100 million or more, in addition becoming Tom Cruise's biggest film in the U.S.

But, but I thought cinema was dead! I read about it in this forum. Pictures of deserted, half destroyed cinemas and a streaming only release system!

This doesn’t compute!

Seriously, this is fantastic. Good old Cruise!

Bring on MI7!

Long live the cinema!

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

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We all have the right to our own opinions. You don't need to be obnoxious about it.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

We all have the right to our own opinions. You don't need to be obnoxious about it.

You know what they say . . . fight fire with fire.

I thought your responses were totaly obnoxious. And one picture is worth a thousand words.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

When a digital title is delisted it is unavailable to buy and in some cases unavailable to watch for the people who have already bought it.

When a physical title goes out of print it is neither unavailable to buy nor unavailable to watch. It's just not available at as many stores and might be more expensive.

This is the one and only reason why physical media is always superior to streaming.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Ads don’t belong in a HT.

I know the hard Bitrate facts are well known, and we have been going at this a long time. You guys are well dug in and we won't be able to convince each other any different. I still say it's all Digital and Stored and accessed from a HDD on a Server, Subjective and very dependent on your equipment and setup.

I have over 800 Movies and TV Shows and haven't lost access or viewing for any of them. I have several Streaming Providers where I can access my Collection.

Nobody likes Ads, but that does bring down the price for viewing new Content. I have used this on some Providers like Peacock and Hulu. Aren't Previews a form of Ads, and you guys watch those all the time on your Commercial Discs. I use to take all that Junk off on my Backups!

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Aren't Previews a form of Ads, and you guys watch those all the time on your Commercial Discs.

They are always skippable. I haven't watched a trailer in years.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You know what they say . . . fight fire with fire.

I thought your responses were totaly obnoxious. And one picture is worth a thousand words.

That fact that you posted the same picture twice in one day was the obnoxious part... and also extremely lazy.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

That fact that you posted the same picture twice in one day was the obnoxious part... and also extremely lazy.

The picture speaks for itself. That fact that two people made posts that were totally subjective . . .

How's this picture as it fits your responses:

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The picture speaks for itself. That fact that two people made posts that were totally subjective . . .

We are all stating our opinions as to why we think physical media is better than streaming or vice versa. Stating that something is subjective is not an argument against it.

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

How's this picture as it fits your responses:

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How exactly did I distort or mis-represent any arguments in my responses? Please be specific instead on just posting pictures.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You know what they say . . . fight fire with fire.

4th grade. That's when you hear stuff like that. Going by your posted pictures I can only assume that's the vibe your going for. Ugh.




I'm glad you're posting more in this thread Lee. I missed your silliness and your pictures are making me laugh. Someone posts a well thought out position and you post a kids drawing. Your texts are funny too so stick around and keep us all laughing.

Have 4 UHD BDs arriving today and will try to get the Northman in stores tomorrow.





I'm starting to wonder how long it will take until my UHD BD collection is larger than my Blu Ray collection. If there's more of the $11.99 titles it's not going to take long.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The picture speaks for itself. That fact that two people made posts that were totally subjective . . .

How's this picture as it fits your responses:

Thanks for that graphic!

I'm not sure of the context of your post, but I've heard that term used before and never took the time to look it up.

While I'm open to the idea that much intent can be lost in this "newer" mode of conversation, I have often felt that there is a willful misunderstanding and misrepresentation going on in the service of "winning" and argument...

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

4th grade. That's when you hear stuff like that. Going by your posted pictures I can only assume that's the vibe your going for. Ugh.




I'm glad you're posting more in this thread Lee. I missed your silliness and your pictures are making me laugh. Someone posts a well thought out position and you post a kids drawing. Your texts are funny too so stick around and keep us all laughing.

Have 4 UHD BDs arriving today and will try to get the Northman in stores tomorrow.





I'm starting to wonder how long it will take until my UHD BD collection is larger than my Blu Ray collection. If there's more of the $11.99 titles it's not going to take long.

I can’t believe Ghost isn’t available on 4K disc yet.

Some good films there.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Do not remember who posted first but I like this one:

Mark Twain quote:

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

[Wendell R. Breland]

IMO, some really good deals here. Dune (2021) UHD BD for just $13.99