Nosferatu (1922) - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

aewb · 10-14-2021, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragun

Any chance of Nosferatu (or other Murnau films) being restored in 2K or 4K and re-released?

Pretty sure all of the FWMS restored Murnau films released on blu ray are 2K.

justwannaboogie · 10-14-2021, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Thomsen

I prefer the James Bernard score of the BFI to that particular recording of the Erdmann score featured on the Eureka, but otherwise ... I have to disagree.

The PQ is much better on the Eureka and the tinting more correct.

Agreed, I don't like the BFI tinting much at all so don't feel the need to double dip.

Guy87 · 10-14-2021, 03:28 PM

Why is the tinting so different?

oddbox83 · 10-14-2021, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy87

Why is the tinting so different?

Check this out.

https://www.brentonfilm.com/articles...ing-variations

Neither restoration is perfect.

Plus here's his take on the Blu-rays specifically - https://www.brentonfilm.com/reviews/...u-ray-reviewed

filmlover22 · 10-14-2021, 08:19 PM

here is my take (FWIW)

Eureka : Best PQ, lousy score
BFI : Best score, problematic PQ

I would love to have the Eureka PQ with the BFI score, but alas, this is how I see our options.

oddbox83 · 10-14-2021, 08:49 PM

While the clarity of the picture is stunning on the MOC I have to admit, when I fancy rewatching the film just for fun it’s the BFI disc all the way.

Killer Meteor · 10-14-2021, 10:10 PM

I'd like the option of an expanded Timothy Howard organ score on a future release - ditto the excellent Timothy Brock score for Caligari.

Mr. Thomsen · 10-15-2021, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by oddbox83

Check this out.

https://www.brentonfilm.com/articles...ing-variations

Neither restoration is perfect.

Plus here's his take on the Blu-rays specifically - https://www.brentonfilm.com/reviews/...u-ray-reviewed

Ah, seems I was a bit too liberal with my declaring the Eureka more correct. It does appear have some issues with the tinting, just as the 1995 restoration of the BFI disc has its own problems.

Brent Reid's excellent website is also where you can read how we almost got a new restoration of Nosferatu a bit over a decade ago. An acquintance of mine actually came across documents at the Cinematheque Francaise saying that FWMS had requested access to the French prints for that purpose.

Unfortunately, as Brent details, a certain someone dangled the access to a hitherto unknown nitrate print in front of them and stalled the process, until too much time had gone by. FWMS the, due to time and money restrictions, had to make do with a new digital clean-up of the 2006 restoration. Which is what we have now.

Hopefully, one day they will find the money to make another go at it.

Guy87 · 10-15-2021, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by oddbox83

Check this out.

https://www.brentonfilm.com/articles...ing-variations

Neither restoration is perfect.

Plus here's his take on the Blu-rays specifically - https://www.brentonfilm.com/reviews/...u-ray-reviewed

I read through this earlier (it's a fantastic resource by the way)

But I don't understand WHY the movie's tinted so differently?

Is the original negative tinted? If so then why are the new scans tinted so vastly differently? Or is it a black and white negative and the tinting more of an modern day estimation of a process that was added later on for it's original release?

oddbox83 · 10-15-2021, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy87

I read through this earlier (it's a fantastic resource by the way)

But I don't understand WHY the movie's tinted so differently?

Is the original negative tinted? If so then why are the new scans tinted so vastly differently? Or is it a black and white negative and the tinting more of an modern day estimation of a process that was added later on for it's original release?

From what that article says, I gather the surviving tinted French print is far from consistent and is faded, meaning each restoration has to make a best guess as to the original colours based on tinting variations and odd choices (that may or may not be an error) on that French print.

Mr. Thomsen · 10-16-2021, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Guy87

I read through this earlier (it's a fantastic resource by the way)

But I don't understand WHY the movie's tinted so differently?

Is the original negative tinted? If so then why are the new scans tinted so vastly differently? Or is it a black and white negative and the tinting more of an modern day estimation of a process that was added later on for it's original release?

The original negative has long disappeared. But it would have been in black and white, yes, as tinting was a process done, when you made the theatrical prints (the different parts of the print were bathed in dye and then assembled. From the beginning of the 1920s, pre-colored stock also became available).

As oddbox83 writes, the tinted French print is faded and worn and not consistent in its hues, so each restoration have had to guestimate the colors used.

The French print is important because it is the only known tinted print to have survived from its original run in 1922. All other surviving prints and fragments are in black and white, and some of them duplicates made much later.

Eidolon · 10-16-2021, 03:49 PM

regarding the music, there's some interesting alternatives that haven't appeared on BD at all.
There was a Synth version released exclusive to Blockbuster USA in the 80's. Apparently the tape goes for big money now. It's never been reissued, but it is on Youtube.
There's also the Eureka DVD version (Sepia tinted) from the late 90's that has a really good expressionist-abstract score that really fits the film well.

Aclea · 10-16-2021, 04:10 PM

Not ideal since it only runs 63 minutes so isn't complete and presents synch problems if you want to play it while watching the Eureka, but James Bernard's score was released on CD in 1997 and is still available as a download.

Killer Meteor · 10-16-2021, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

regarding the music, there's some interesting alternatives that haven't appeared on BD at all.
There was a Synth version released exclusive to Blockbuster USA in the 80's. Apparently the tape goes for big money now. It's never been reissued, but it is on Youtube.
There's also the Eureka DVD version (Sepia tinted) from the late 90's that has a really good expressionist-abstract score that really fits the film well.

The 2001 Eureka DVD used music by Art Zoyd, which is also on Kino's 2002 DVD.

Killer Meteor · 04-05-2022, 09:46 PM

Ironically, my upload of the old JEF Films/Aikman dupe (which I had on VHS from Eureka) now has a copyright claim against in...in Brazil!

Eidolon · 06-07-2022, 07:09 PM

Does anyone know how the score for the BFI version was recorded, or originally mixed? I will hopefully have enough time to watch mine this evening, but I'm not sure which is the correct mix. Was it originally done in 5.1, or is that some remix that the BFI have done themselves from an existing stereo score? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Killer Meteor

Ironically, my upload of the old JEF Films/Aikman dupe (which I had on VHS from Eureka) now has a copyright claim against in...in Brazil!

Nosferatu (1922) - Aikman Archive version - YouTube

i have the Aikman Archive VHs release of that. ALways meant to get more of their releases, never did.
My memory used to be a lot better than it is nowadays. When I got the Eureka DVD of Nosferatu, i straight off noticed a shot from the Aikman vhs version was missing from it, having not watched it for months before. Nowadays I can watch
Franco's Demons twice in the same month, different version on each occasion with a 30 minute difference, and not be able to notice what's missing :/

ravenus · 06-08-2022, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Does anyone know how the score for the BFI version was recorded, or originally mixed? I will hopefully have enough time to watch mine this evening, but I'm not sure which is the correct mix. Was it originally done in 5.1, or is that some remix that the BFI have done themselves from an existing stereo score? Thanks.

From what I've read, that score was commissioned in 1995. Not sure if 5.1 was very widespread in films as such, let alone for silent film revivals.

Mr. Thomsen · 06-08-2022, 08:56 AM

It definitely wasn't widespread around that time. IIRC it was around the mid-90s that we first started to see 5.1 on home video releases. I remember it was a big deal that Jurassic Park was released in both DD5.1 and DTS versions. EDIT: on laserdisc, that is.

oddbox83 · 06-08-2022, 11:38 AM

Heaven knows where my disc is (it's somewhere in overloaded shelves!), so I can't check the booklet. I assume though the 5.1 track is new and mastered from original multi-track recordings of the score session, I can't see the BFI bothering with a "faux" remix from a stereo source.

Muyfa666 · 10-04-2022, 09:20 AM

Are there any new digital releases that's good for this movie? I found this rather lengthy comparison and the UK BFI and Eureka/MoC seem to be the best verions around, but the article is written 2016 as far as I can tell...

I have seen the MoC, but I didn't like the tone with the "happy" soundtrack at all.

Is the BFI the one to go for? What does this new 100th Anniversary Edition brind to the table?

06-08-2022, 08:56 AM	#38
Mr. Thomsen Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2010 Location:Denmark 4K collection:246 Blu-ray collection:3141 DVD collection:293	It definitely wasn't widespread around that time. IIRC it was around the mid-90s that we first started to see 5.1 on home video releases. I remember it was a big deal that Jurassic Park was released in both DD5.1 and DTS versions. EDIT: on laserdisc, that is. Last edited by Mr. Thomsen; 06-08-2022 at 12:52 PM.

10-14-2021, 03:28 PM	#23
Guy87 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Apr 2020 Location:UK 4K collection:25 Blu-ray collection:1320 DVD collection:272	Why is the tinting so different?

10-14-2021, 08:19 PM	#25
filmlover22 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jun 2013 Location:USA Blu-ray collection:5 Trading Score:1	here is my take (FWIW) Eureka : Best PQ, lousy score BFI : Best score, problematic PQ I would love to have the Eureka PQ with the BFI score, but alas, this is how I see our options.

10-14-2021, 08:49 PM	#26
oddbox83 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Sep 2013 Location:UK	While the clarity of the picture is stunning on the MOC I have to admit, when I fancy rewatching the film just for fun it’s the BFI disc all the way.

10-14-2021, 10:10 PM	#27
Killer Meteor Banned Member since:Jan 2013 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:-	I'd like the option of an expanded Timothy Howard organ score on a future release - ditto the excellent Timothy Brock score for Caligari.

10-16-2021, 03:49 PM	#32
Eidolon Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Aug 2009 4K collection:6 Blu-ray collection:1148	regarding the music, there's some interesting alternatives that haven't appeared on BD at all. There was a Synth version released exclusive to Blockbuster USA in the 80's. Apparently the tape goes for big money now. It's never been reissued, but it is on Youtube. There's also the Eureka DVD version (Sepia tinted) from the late 90's that has a really good expressionist-abstract score that really fits the film well.

10-16-2021, 04:10 PM	#33
Aclea Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Blu-ray reviews: 3	Not ideal since it only runs 63 minutes so isn't complete and presents synch problems if you want to play it while watching the Eureka, but James Bernard's score was released on CD in 1997 and is still available as a download.

06-08-2022, 11:38 AM	#39
oddbox83 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Sep 2013 Location:UK	Heaven knows where my disc is (it's somewhere in overloaded shelves!), so I can't check the booklet. I assume though the 5.1 track is new and mastered from original multi-track recordings of the score session, I can't see the BFI bothering with a "faux" remix from a stereo source.

10-04-2022, 09:20 AM	#40
Muyfa666 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jan 2013 Location:Sweden 4K collection:522 Blu-ray collection:872 DVD collection:1 Trading Score:5	Are there any new digital releases that's good for this movie? I found this rather lengthy comparison and the UK BFI and Eureka/MoC seem to be the best verions around, but the article is written 2016 as far as I can tell... I have seen the MoC, but I didn't like the tone with the "happy" soundtrack at all. Is the BFI the one to go for? What does this new 100th Anniversary Edition brind to the table?

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