Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I am still here. That's about all I can manage to say right now.

I'm sorry that I did not respond to the PMs that were sent to me; I received no notifications that I had any or I somehow missed them.

I hope that you have all been well; I thought about you often.

Don’t care about PM’s as long as you are ok! 👍

That’s enough for us (if I can speak for others)

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Anyone seen FB - Secrets of Dumbeldore yet?

Yes, as posted earlier, passed on this one but have the first two in my collection

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Don’t care about PM’s as long as you are ok! 👍

That’s enough for us (if I can speak for others)

Agree. Was a relief to see him post again.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by vilya

i am still here. That's about all i can manage to say right now.

I'm sorry that i did not respond to the pms that were sent to me; i received no notifications that i had any or i somehow missed them.

I hope that you have all been well; i thought about you often.

outstanding!!!!

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I am still here. That's about all I can manage to say right now.

I'm sorry that I did not respond to the PMs that were sent to me; I received no notifications that I had any or I somehow missed them.

I hope that you have all been well; I thought about you often.

Wishing you the best.

[thejoeman2]

So Bob Chapek's contract has been renewed for a much longer time period.

Does this mean that, beyond theater releases and possibly Pixar films, is Disney Home Media dead?

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by thejoeman2

Does this mean that, beyond theater releases and possibly Pixar films, is Disney Home Media dead?

Disney is just like most any other corp, they will support any avenue that is profitable. Their (Disney) view: they have no control of physical media once product is sold (First Sale Doctrine), with digital they have 100% control.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Disney is just like most any other corp, they will support any avenue that is profitable. Their (Disney) view: they have no control of physical media once product is sold (First Sale Doctrine), with digital they have 100% control.

That’s it. If they piss off enough people that they walk away from physical media and just get streaming, then Disney wins. It’s clear they’re trying to take over Hollywood, having already gobbled up Fox, and the end goal is to pick and choose what’s on streaming and then we have to pay each month for it.

I’m still waiting for the day when they figure out how to edit the discs we own. It sounds Orwellian, but I know them screwing with the discs we bought eons ago is just around the corner.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

That’s it. If they piss off enough people that they walk away from physical media and just get streaming, then Disney wins. It’s clear they’re trying to take over Hollywood, having already gobbled up Fox, and the end goal is to pick and choose what’s on streaming and then we have to pay each month for it.

People who are pissed at Disney will subscribe to a service that Disney has absolute control over?

I’m still waiting for the day when they figure out how to edit the discs we own. It sounds Orwellian, but I know them screwing with the discs we bought eons ago is just around the corner.

If a company could modify the discs they've already sold then discs wouldn't be any better than streaming. But I don't see how that could ever be physically possible.

Physical media is superior to streaming precisely because the studios can't possibly ever modify or take away any content.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

People who are pissed at Disney will subscribe to a service that Disney has absolute control over?



If a company could modify the discs they've already sold then discs wouldn't be any better than streaming. But I don't see how that could ever be physically possible.

Physical media is superior to streaming precisely because the studios can't possibly ever modify or take away any content.

1. They think that people will eventually say “F the $20 disc that sucks, I might as well just pay $8 a month for Jïzzney+.” It’s as faulty as faulty logic gets.
2. The way it could be possible would be either write a code onto the disc where it can be erased and rewritten via the wifi on a player, and/or have technology at the studio where they can update the disc as soon as it’s put in the player. I’ve been expecting a move like that for years, and it’s only a matter of time before they try to do it. (I will also say that doing this will be fücking wrong and we’ll absolutely hate Disney even more than we already do if they try it. But the don’t care about us.)
3. I absolutely agree with that statement about physical media being better than streaming. I also think that the inability to take away or modify a disc isn’t a fact to Disney, it’s a challenge. Remember the woman in the window in The Rescuers, or the priest in The Little Mermaid, or “SEX” in The Lion King? You know as well as I do that if they could they would round up every one of those tapes and replace them with a cleaned up copy they would. And I wouldn’t be shocked if they learn how to do it.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

I’m still waiting for the day when they figure out how to edit the discs we own. It sounds Orwellian, but I know them screwing with the discs we bought eons ago is just around the corner.

No, most disc are pressed, no altering. UHD BD are also pressed but the studios could invoke a feature during authoring that could have the player phone home for authentication before playing. AFAIK no title has been released with this feature activated.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

The way it could be possible would be either write a code onto the disc where it can be erased and rewritten via the wifi on a player, and/or have technology at the studio where they can update the disc as soon as it’s put in the player. I’ve been expecting a move like that for years, and it’s only a matter of time before they try to do it. (I will also say that doing this will be fücking wrong and we’ll absolutely hate Disney even more than we already do if they try it. But the don’t care about us.)

It's certainly possible to make discs that require an internet connection to play but it's impossible to force an update on a disc that could be played offline when it launched.

Your fear that Disney (or any other company) will ever be able to modify the discs they've already released is totally unrealistic.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

No, most disc are pressed, no altering. UHD BD are also pressed but the studios could invoke a feature during authoring that could have the player phone home for authentication before playing. AFAIK no title has been released with this feature activated.

I know for a fact that none of the 683 4K Blu-ray discs I own uses this feature. None of my players have ever been connected to the internet and all of my discs play just fine.

I've avoided all video games that require an update and/or constant internet connection and I'll do the same thing with movies if any studios ever try it with their discs.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

That’s it. If they piss off enough people that they walk away from physical media and just get streaming, then Disney wins. It’s clear they’re trying to take over Hollywood, having already gobbled up Fox, and the end goal is to pick and choose what’s on streaming and then we have to pay each month for it.

I’m still waiting for the day when they figure out how to edit the discs we own. It sounds Orwellian, but I know them screwing with the discs we bought eons ago is just around the corner.

I worry about stuff like this also but it won’t get us anywhere. We live in a age where we have lost our potential future movie lovers (gen Z) to Tik-Tok and other social media/user generated apps. Mobiles are their life now so it seems for those of us over 35, film will pretty much die with us.
Thats why I just want to enjoy every film in the HT and appreciate that I grew up in a time when film was absolutely huge.

Considering the fact that 35 and over is still a age group that engages with long form content, I am hopeful film will last my lifetime.

Any other worry about streaming services quality and subsequent threats to high quality formats seems by far the lesser worry to me these days.

Or am I just being hopelessly pessimistic?

[crutzulee]

I don't worry about any of this crap... We're all sitting in these awesome home theaters with ridiculously great sound systems. We split hairs over how unwatchable a stream is in comparison to a physical disc without recognizing how much better today's "inferior" option is in comparison to yesterday's "state of the art"

We're living in the most opulent time in human history. Every day we get into mechanical horseless carriages that take us distances humans weren't meant to travel to do historically light work or, in many cases, to some leisurely pursuit. Nobody on this forum is wondering where their next meal is coming from.

I'm really not having a go at anyone. I love coming here and having these academic discussions about the future of this hobby. I've seen some really great new movies this year in unbelievable quality in the comfort of my home. A newly mastered 4K version of one of my favourite movies showed up at my door today. I'm sure it will look and sound better than the DVD and Bluray versions I had previously....not that the guys dissecting it over in the dedicated thread will acknowledge that - not while there are screen grabs to argue over...

I don't spend my time worrying over the state of movie media- Not while things are still getting better in that regard. There are some massively bad things that are about to happen that will negatively impact the human experience on this planet. Movie collections will not be on the radar of things to worry about. On the upside, if your over 50, you won't be around for the worst of it!

So relax, pour yourself a scotch and enjoy the 4K, high colour gamut, ATMOS goodness on your massive screens from your comfy chair. IT DOES NOT GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS!!!!

[PenguinInfinity]

For physical media the future will always be better than the present. In the future everything that is currently available on physical media will still be available plus more. In the unlikely event that all the studios supporting physical media the billions of discs they've already sold will still be in circulation.

Unfortunately the same can't be said for streaming.

[Wendell R. Breland]

As mentioned before, very few items in my home theater are available in the box stores or very few etaillers. But many devices are still manufactured and available, you just have to know where to look for info and a supplier. Some samples: Pre-amp info here, some projector info here, remote control here, furnishings here.

IMHO, as long as physical media remains profitable it will be available.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Anyone seen FB - Secrets of Dumbeldore yet? I was planning on renting the Blu-ray today, but neither of the Redbox kiosks in my town have them. All the ones in Madison have them, but it's like whoever stocks the kiosks in my area does a poor job or just straight up doesn't care. The last two big movies to come out were The Northman and The Contractor and neither kiosk had these either. I had to drive 20-30 mins into Madison to rent them. I think they may have them now, but it's like they're always 3-5 days behind release if they even get them. With the price of gas, explain how driving 20-30 mins into Madison to rent a Blu-ray makes sense anymore.

I saw it in theaters but haven't picked up the disc yet. If you enjoyed the first 2 I don't see any reason why you wouldn't like this one. I'm one of the few that really enjoys this series and hope WB let's them finish the last 2 films.

[Ender14]

I saw Black Phone and Elvis this week. I must say Black Phone is my favorite movie of the year so far. I'm very glad Scott Derrickson made this instead of Doctor Strange 2. Elvis was great as well. They both better get UHD releases .

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Ender14

I saw Black Phone and Elvis this week. I must say Black Phone is my favorite movie of the year so far. I'm very glad Scott Derrickson made this instead of Doctor Strange 2. Elvis was great as well. They both better get UHD releases .

Bad news on The Black Phone UHD stateside release. They're pulling the Wrath of Man BS with it and only releasing it on BD. May have to import the 4K. I'm keeping eyes out on an English friendly import of that one.

[cheez avenger]

BN has their Criterion sale - ordered a few:

Okja 4K
Raging Bull 4K
Devil in a Blue Dress 4K
Walker BD
Blue is the Warmest Color BD