Star Trek The Motion Picture Director's Edition 4K UHD/DLX (1979)

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Originally Posted by Bolty

Are you folks buying the CA Deluxe set going to be annoyed if the SLV comes out later in standard packaging at a lower price?

Yes and no.

I would certainly be annoyed by being misled with "The SLV is exclusive to this set and will never be available again" murmurs and buying at a higher price point but I much prefer that everyone who wants it would have access to such material outside of such exclusive sets.

Arrow makes great sets, when everything works out, and their approach ensures commanding a premium and that is fine but I strongly dislike the omission of alternative cuts and A/V media bonus material that further explores any given films with subsequent releases that do not have the physical ephemera of cards, posters, etc.

Wish they would just offer the slimmed down sets that just include all the discs at a lower price point after their initial fancy sets and I would be a happy cinema collector; who will then buy ever more titles and even take a chance on less personally beloved movies.

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by Bolty

More than half of the 12 minutes added footage was used and restored for the DE so I think they would have restored the other 5+ minutes unless they were extremely lazy and cheap.
If they restored the other 139 minutes and not the last 5 -- WTF?

And we already know that the external shot of Kirk leaving the enterprise to follow Spock has been fixed, so…

[phobicsquirrel]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Thinking more on it, I certainly hope the SLV has restored those scenes to match the rest of the film, and it's not just upscaled 1080p inserts. That would really take me out of the film with lower-quality scenes cutting in and out. I probably wouldn't even consider the deluxe edition if I thought those scenes would be not be fully restored to 4k, because I'd likely never watch it like that. The benefit to me is seeing the SLV in full 4k with the SLV scenes fully restored. But watching lots of older horror films has taught me that often the extended or unrated versions of films use unrestored footage due to bad sources.

The SLV will be in HDR so I'm sure it wouldn't be jumping in and out of HDR, so all the shots are likely fully restored, unless they use inferior sources and upscale to 4k and apply HDR to them just to keep the HDR presentation uninterrupted. But I doubt that's the case.

Really blows it's not in dv!

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by nickherum

Annoyed? Possibly but after this many years of collecting media most of us should be used to a bit of "buyer's remorse." There's always a lower price or better edition at some point. It's the nature of the game.

But I don't expect blatant lies. I'm not making accusations yet because we just don't know. But they told us straight out that the SLV will not be made available again. If they turn around on that later, that's not cool to have said that imo. That's not what I want to see in a company.

As somebody who used to be into board games quite a bit, there's a whole lot of exclusive stuff they release with their games on Kickstarters to get more backers. Most publishers learn quickly that if they promise an exclusive available only through their Kickstarter to backers only, then turn around and release that "exclusive" later through retail, there's usually hell to pay as they have to explain to the backers why they lied. So most don't do that - if they say it's never being released again, they stick to it with those exclusives. And I hate exclusives to be clear. But if a company says it's exclusive, then they should keep their word. Otherwise they won't be trusted again later.

I wish the SLV wasn't exclusive to the deluxe for everybody's sake. I wish everyone who wants to see it could do so without it being so limited and pricey. But if they say it's exclusive just to sell the deluxe that much quicker, then it turns out they release it again anyways much cheaper later, then their word going forward will mean nothing to me.

It's my decision if I want to buy that set, but my decision is based on what they are telling me about it. I have to hope they're not lying.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by phobicsquirrel

Really blows it's not in dv!

Where is it said it’s not?

[OneBuckFilms]

I don't think it's deceptive TBH.

We overlook the fact that while cheaper repackaging and re-issues happen a lot, it is often because they have the masters and want to see them out there.

Just like iPhone or Android devices, or new technologies, early adopters pay a premium, and those sales tell the business that something is popular so they then repackage for regular consumers.

Producers often are largely short-term thinkers, and I doubt anything has been planned to re-release the SLV at a cheaper price.

I also suspect that a couple of years down the line, in response to requests from those who missed out on this release, they will reconsider, and put it out cheaper since they no longer have to recoup the costs of making the SLV, and avoid the extra packaging (takes up space, so increases shipping costs, lots of additional printing etc. beyond a regular release).

[phobicsquirrel]

Originally Posted by Bolty

I wonder because they are selling all the movie separately -- except the Theatrical version (in 4K) of the first movie.

They are literally 18 months away from being able to sell the "45th Anniversary Edition of STTMP"

I'm sure they'll do a big set with everything. Paramount never stops from milking star trek.

[Cruel Angel]

Originally Posted by Bolty

Are you folks buying the CA Deluxe set going to be annoyed if the SLV comes out later in standard packaging at a lower price?

Nope, not buying the set just to get the SLV. Main selling point for me is the swag. If it didn't have the SLV, I'd still want the set.

[mar3o]

Do we have final disc counts yet for the deluxe set? The US was supposed to get 3 and the UK 5, then I heard maybe 4 for the UK and maybe other regions?

[nickherum]

Originally Posted by mar3o

But I don't expect blatant lies. I'm not making accusations yet because we just don't know. But they told us straight out that the SLV will not be made available again. If they turn around on that later, that's not cool to have said that imo. That's not what I want to see in a company.

As somebody who used to be into board games quite a bit, there's a whole lot of exclusive stuff they release with their games on Kickstarters to get more backers. Most publishers learn quickly that if they promise an exclusive available only through their Kickstarter to backers only, then turn around and release that "exclusive" later through retail, there's usually hell to pay as they have to explain to the backers why they lied. So most don't do that - if they say it's never being released again, they stick to it with those exclusives. And I hate exclusives to be clear. But if a company says it's exclusive, then they should keep their word. Otherwise they won't be trusted again later.

I wish the SLV wasn't exclusive to the deluxe for everybody's sake. I wish everyone who wants to see it could do so without it being so limited and pricey. But if they say it's exclusive just to sell the deluxe that much quicker, then it turns out they release it again anyways much cheaper later, then their word going forward will mean nothing to me.

It's my decision if I want to buy that set, but my decision is based on what they are telling me about it. I have to hope they're not lying.

Perhaps, sometime down the line it will be available on another disc release but right now I'm taking them at their word. Absolutes can be messy... right now they don't have any intention of releasing the SLV again... but if there's a demand for it that could all change.

Considering they haven't released the SLV on any home media format since the days of VHS and Laserdisc I'm thrilled Paramount is taking the time to release it at all. That cut of the film I figured was lost to those that didn't still have a VHS or LD.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Bolty

Are you folks buying the CA Deluxe set going to be annoyed if the SLV comes out later in standard packaging at a lower price?

It won't bother me. I don't look back and I don't sweat the small stuff. Worrying about maybes and what-ifs is futile and a waste of time.

Besides that, this is Star Trek and they will be all but certain to release more editions with some new incentive to try and get us to buy it again and again as many of us already have done with each new format and even within each format. Buying the same movie multiple times just goes with the movie collecting territory.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by mar3o

But I don't expect blatant lies. I'm not making accusations yet because we just don't know. But they told us straight out that the SLV will not be made available again. If they turn around on that later, that's not cool to have said that imo. That's not what I want to see in a company.

Leadership of a company changes over time and a different person may well change decisions made by their predecessor. Sometimes people just change their minds for any number of reasons and that does not automatically mean that they were being deliberately deceptive from the outset.

I have no problem with there being a future edition with the SLV as it would give more people the opportunity to own it. Spread the love.

[Jar Jar Stinks]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Yes, but they'll be in 4k in the SLV. Will those separate deleted scenes be in 4k, or just 1080p/SD as extras? That's another benefit of the SLV - getting to see those scenes in 4k for the first time ever, assuming those have also been restored to the same level as the theatrical cut.

Fair point.

I'm sure this has been covered before, but will the UK set have the SLV on Blu-ray?

[Put_The_Candle_Back]

I remember watch the SLV version on tv and I bought it on VHS and seen a few times. Sadly, when I was buying DVDs and replacing my VHS tapes, I gave away my copy of the ST:TMP SLV VHS tape and didn't realize the DVD didn't have the extra footage. The scene with Kirk leaving the docking port to go on his space walk, I never notice the wood set parts on the sides (go figure ). Awhile back, I came across someone who posted their video on youtube and digitally fixed that scene. Did they fix this on the new version? The other problem was Kirk was wearing a different space suit then he did later in the scene when he gets Spock. I was wondering if they could fix this by digitally changing his space suit.

[OneBuckFilms]

They fixed that scene. On the Blu-ray they will have both fixed and unfixed versions of that shot.

This is the only alteration they made to the SLV.

[Jar Jar Stinks]

Originally Posted by mar3o

If I do end up buying the deluxe set, then it's definitely only for the SLV, and it's based solely on them claiming it will never be released again.

The studio has not made that claim.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Leadership of a company changes over time and a different person may well change decisions made by their predecessor. Sometimes people just change their minds for any number of reasons and that does not automatically mean that they were being deliberately deceptive from the outset.

I have no problem with there being a future edition with the SLV as it would give more people the opportunity to own it. Spread the love.

I'll accept that leadership changes and somebody else down the line may very well have different ideas about what to release and how. Which is why he really shouldn't have even said what he said about it being never released again. If at least he worded it like "We currently have no plans to ever release this again, but that may change down the road at some point", then that would be a reasonable statement.

I guess ultimately we all have to decide if we want to gamble or not on it getting a cheaper release later.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Jar Jar Stinks

The studio has not made that claim.

Not officially, but the claim was made by somebody on behalf of the release, attempting to generate sales based on FOMO.

[Number_6]

Originally Posted by mar3o

But I don't expect blatant lies. I'm not making accusations yet because we just don't know. But they told us straight out that the SLV will not be made available again. If they turn around on that later, that's not cool to have said that imo. That's not what I want to see in a company.

As somebody who used to be into board games quite a bit, there's a whole lot of exclusive stuff they release with their games on Kickstarters to get more backers. Most publishers learn quickly that if they promise an exclusive available only through their Kickstarter to backers only, then turn around and release that "exclusive" later through retail, there's usually hell to pay as they have to explain to the backers why they lied. So most don't do that - if they say it's never being released again, they stick to it with those exclusives. And I hate exclusives to be clear. But if a company says it's exclusive, then they should keep their word. Otherwise they won't be trusted again later.

I wish the SLV wasn't exclusive to the deluxe for everybody's sake. I wish everyone who wants to see it could do so without it being so limited and pricey. But if they say it's exclusive just to sell the deluxe that much quicker, then it turns out they release it again anyways much cheaper later, then their word going forward will mean nothing to me.

It's my decision if I want to buy that set, but my decision is based on what they are telling me about it. I have to hope they're not lying.

The thing is, what others are saying - and it sounds like it matches your own experience with gaming - is that it's probably safer to assume that they are in fact engaging in...I won't say "lying"...some marketing puffery.

From the comments you've made, it sounds like you have zero interest in anything else the Complete Adventure has to offer, the only thing you're buying it for is the SLV.

If that's the case, honestly, if I were you I'd just hold off on buying this.

Someone pointed out it's only 18 months until the 45th anniversary of TMP. What are the chances they release some Blade Runner-style set will ALL the cuts of the film the "celebrate" the anniversary?

And even if I'm wrong about that, in 18 months I'm sure you'll probably be able to find somebody on eBay who's selling the Complete Adventure in used/like-new condition for way less than what this is going to cost you new.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Jar Jar Stinks

Fair point.

I'm sure this has been covered before, but will the UK set have the SLV on Blu-ray?

No, the SLV will only be on UHD, not blu-ray.