Andor - Rogue One prequel series (Disney+)

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Setting the wayback machine to 1977.

It's crazy how much time and money they spent nailing the production value for a movie based on a characters nobody cares about.

"Luke Sky-who? Never heard of him!"

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by mwynn

It's crazy how much time and money they spent nailing the production value for a movie based on a characters nobody cares about.

You talking about the new characters from the sequels? .

As for Andor - I think this has a lot of potential. Cassian was the best character from RO as a few others have stated. There is more to tell here. If this is good, then we have even more of a bridge between the PT and the OT. Rogue One is easily the best modern era film so lets hope this plays nicely with it!

[Farerb]

The best characters from Rogue One were Jyn Erso's clothes.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Cassian was the best character from RO as a few others have stated.

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by morris_schaffer

really dug Rogue One, maybe more than most Star Wars movies that are not the 1977, 1980 and 1983 releases. But Mandalorian, Boba Fett and Obi-Wan have all been extremely mediocre, so won't give a toss about how great this looks. That's the easy part.
I see they got another female actor, who seems to have all the gravitas of a doorknob, as some sort of villain. I'm sure that's gonna send chills down my spine. Sorry, too burned by Reva in the last one to simply shake that off. Hope to be pleasantly surprised.

Same. It looks promising, but I'm proceeding with caution. I think Lucas was involved in this somewhere along the way.

[Fiffy]

Originally Posted by steel_breeze

Rumor from a while ago was that Lucas actually wrote two episodes of this. I'm intrigued by that, if true.

I hope not. Lucas has many talents, but writing isn't one of them.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Fiffy

I hope not. Lucas has many talents, but writing isn't one of them.

A Sith Lord??

[avs commenter]

I hope the characters are interesting, because with 12 episodes, it's going to be a slower more dialogue driven show than say Kenobi

[LexInHD]

It's highly unlikely that GL was involved in anything Andor-related. If anything, the scripts for his never-made, but fully scripted Rebel Alliance TV series - which ILM now has the tech required to bring about - were mined to provide meat for Andor's cinematic casserole.

[GarynDakari]

Tony Gilroy claims that this show does not use the Volume (the video wall), unlike Mando/TBoBF/Kenobi. I'm hoping this lets the show feel a lot more grounded and open.

The tech is wicked cool, but a lot of the time it was painfully obvious that the actors were inhabiting tiny spaces that were trying to look big.

[steel_breeze]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

It's highly unlikely that GL was involved in anything Andor-related. If anything, the scripts for his never-made, but fully scripted Rebel Alliance TV series - which ILM now has the tech required to bring about - were mined to provide meat for Andor's cinematic casserole.

Yeah, I feel a little sheepish that I fell for that "Lucas wrote some of these" rumor that circulated a year ago, or whenever; but I've since heard pretty definitively that it's been debunked. I feel extra sheepish that I was the one who brought it up again here, thus continuing to spread nonsense. Sorry 'bout that.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

It's highly unlikely that GL was involved in anything Andor-related. If anything, the scripts for his never-made, but fully scripted Rebel Alliance TV series - which ILM now has the tech required to bring about - were mined to provide meat for Andor's cinematic casserole.

You mean Underworld? Disney has 50 or so unused scripts for that series. The few leaks didn't sound very good so I doubt they are using much if anything from them.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Farerb

The best characters from Rogue One were Jyn Erso's clothes.

Thats just mean. Her clothes? yuk. Maybe if she had a scene in Leia's ROTJ Jabba palace garb..... now THAT would have worked.

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

OK, he's cool too but Cassian is still the man.

Originally Posted by Fiffy

I hope not. Lucas has many talents, but writing isn't one of them.

You sure? What was wrong with A New Hope? A lot of the prequels was decent too. His dialog can be clunky but thats just part of the equation here.

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

Same. It looks promising, but I'm proceeding with caution. I think Lucas was involved in this somewhere along the way.

I hope so. I like what Ive heard & seen so far.

Originally Posted by avs commenter

I hope the characters are interesting, because with 12 episodes, it's going to be a slower more dialogue driven show than say Kenobi

Thats fine. We dont need pointless chase scene after chase scene or someone hiding under Cassians robe escaping from some Imperial place. Sorry, had to.

[BluBonnet]

Your devotion for the meatbags, ehm, I mean humans, is commendable!

[Fiffy]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

You sure? What was wrong with A New Hope? A lot of the prequels was decent too. His dialog can be clunky but thats just part of the equation here.

Much of the dialog isn't just clunky but also pointless. There's lots of unnecessary exposition, pacing issues in the opening act and other problems. Let's face it, people don't love Star Wars '77 for the writing (or acting, for that matter). There are reasons why Lucas brought in Lawrence Kasdan to rewrite the script for the second movie. And the writing for the prequels was atrocious.

Lucas is a great visionary and has incredible drive, but writing isn't his forte. He admitted so himself in various interviews.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Fiffy

Much of the dialog isn't just clunky but also pointless. There's lots of unnecessary exposition, pacing issues in the opening act and other problems. Let's face it, people don't love Star Wars '77 for the writing (or acting, for that matter). There are reasons why Lucas brought in Lawrence Kasdan to rewrite the script for the second movie. And the writing for the prequels was atrocious.

Lucas is a great visionary and has incredible drive, but writing isn't his forte. He admitted so himself in various interviews.

Dialogue, no. World building, well, Star Wars is the daddy. Aside from a bit of dialogue repeated because of the Jabba situation (which wasn’t even a problem until 1997) there’s so much stuff crammed in there and it puts modern movies to shame.

[avs commenter]

The only role I would like to see GL in would be as a producer or consultant. He shouldn't be writing or directing anything.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Fiffy

Much of the dialog isn't just clunky but also pointless. There's lots of unnecessary exposition, pacing issues in the opening act and other problems. Let's face it, people don't love Star Wars '77 for the writing (or acting, for that matter). There are reasons why Lucas brought in Lawrence Kasdan to rewrite the script for the second movie. And the writing for the prequels was atrocious.

Lucas is a great visionary and has incredible drive, but writing isn't his forte. He admitted so himself in various interviews.

I can find "pointless" dialog in every movie ever. I also think you're overdoing it a bit there. Pacing maybe isnt perfect but the opening act is just fine. We can disagree here.

All of the writing in the prequels is NOT bad. Not at all. Those came together a helluva lot better than some recent Star wars films, IMO. I'd say Abrams and some of these other modern guys are much worse. But, again, we can disagree.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Dialogue, no. World building, well, Star Wars is the daddy. Aside from a bit of dialogue repeated because of the Jabba situation (which wasn’t even a problem until 1997) there’s so much stuff crammed in there and it puts modern movies to shame.

Great point. The prequels are a textbook perfect example of world building, IMO. I still think George's writing gets too much flak but I'll admit it isnt his best skill.

[Fiffy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

World building, well, Star Wars is the daddy.

I think that has more to do with the story, the visuals and the "lived in" production design than the screenplay. Lucas is great in imagining worlds and stories, turning them into a script is the problem. When he hands his stories to a talented writer great things can happen (the best example probably being Raiders of the Lost Ark, which is a damn near perfect movie with amazing writing).

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Fiffy

I think that has more to do with the story, the visuals and the "lived in" production design than the screenplay. Lucas is great in imagining worlds and stories, turning them into a script is the problem. When he hands his stories to a talented writer great things can happen (the best example probably being Raiders of the Lost Ark, which is a damn near perfect movie with amazing writing).

Is the story not the writing then? Anyhoo, I'm referring to all the bits that relate to the state of play in the galaxy and to our main characters. We get so much stuff filled in, like how there's an evil empire that uses a galactic senate to control the people as well as employing thugs like Vader behind the scenes to chase down dissidents, there was a vast war prior to that where a noble line of warrior monks who practice a mysterious 'religion' were all but wiped out, during which the main thug had killed the father of the main protagonist who was besties with the main warrior monk.

There's so much texture to Star Wars' story and yes, it's part of that 'lived in' aesthetic in its own way, it feels like you've missed out on history when you watch it and it's just genius the way that just a few lines of exposition can conjure up so much imagery. I'd agree that setting out the story isn't rocket science and never should be, and it's not odd that the first film in a series goes out of its way to set the scene, but Lucas did it so succinctly and so effectively and it's something that a lot of filmmakers could learn from.