Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It’s only the price cap here that prevents the energy suppliers charging more. If it was ever removed (it has been suggested) they would have the power to raise prices as they choose.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The Time of use tariffs aren’t in effect yet due to delays supplying every home with smart meters. ETA, 2024.

you can be right, here the prices are also fixed by the gouvernment (but that being said HQ paid https://www.spglobal.com/marketintel...-ever-69098946 2.67B in dividends to the province)

but you still can't just charge anything you want. That is why they are talking about time of day charges or as they call it here dual energy-energy meters. the rates have to be fixed the only difference is there are now two numbers to work with

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https://www.hydroquebec.com/themes/residentiel/espace-clients/images/en/meters.jpg[/img]

see how the one on the left has 5 dials and the other analogue one has 10 dials? that is because the top row measures one rate while the bottom one the other one. It is harder to see with the smart digital meters but it is the same thing the display will change and show you the two numbers. in the end it all works the same let's say the old number was 122345 the new number is 12356 you do 12356-12345=11 and tyhen you multiply it by the rate.

as for not in effect yet, that is in the UK there is a whole world out there, I know uit has existed here since the early 80's yet everyone has TVs.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I have no use for a game that can end in a tie. Talk about anticlimactic.

can't every game technically end in a tie (at least in regulation time)?

Both rugby and American football need to be tougher. I would have the games played in a mine field. Fat lot of good a helmet and shoulder pads would do you then!

I used to have a co-worker that played rugby, never saw him play, but we always knew when he played because the next day his arms and legs would be a mess.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

you can be right, here the prices are also fixed by the gouvernment (but that being said HQ paid https://www.spglobal.com/marketintel...-ever-69098946 2.67B in dividends to the province)

but you still can't just charge anything you want. That is why they are talking about time of day charges or as they call it here dual energy-energy meters. the rates have to be fixed the only difference is there are now two numbers to work with

[img]
https://www.hydroquebec.com/themes/residentiel/espace-clients/images/en/meters.jpg[/img]

see how the one on the left has 5 dials and the other analogue one has 10 dials? that is because the top row measures one rate while the bottom one the other one. It is harder to see with the smart digital meters but it is the same thing the display will change and show you the two numbers. in the end it all works the same let's say the old number was 122345 the new number is 12356 you do 12356-12345=11 and tyhen you multiply it by the rate.

as for not in effect yet, that is in the UK there is a whole world out there, I know uit has existed here since the early 80's yet everyone has TVs.

How then, can ‘surge pricing’ be a concern? It has been mentioned several times as a matter of concern in the U.K. relating to a future ‘Time Of Use’ tariff. Even being compared to Uber’s controversial surging (which I know you explained)

If prices are already set, how would that be possible and a matter of concern?
By the way, some of these tariffs will change by the half hour in the future, supposedly for our benefit. (Pinch of salt)

[Vilya]

Look up at the sky, Steedeel! Worry instead about that asteroid that is hurtling towards the earth!

If what you're fretting about isn't an extinction level event, it ain't worth getting your knickers in a knot over.

Your electricity bill will go up, as it always has, and you will deal with it just as you have always done.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Everyone should have a daily exercise plan, I walk 3 miles daily. When I sit down in my HT I don't want to be running around Disc Flipping! Especially the people who have their Players stored in a rack behind smoked glass doors. IMO Disc Flipping is Obsolete!

how is it your problem if I have my player in a rack and even though I agree with you that people (especially me) should exercise more that is irrelevant to the discussion the issue is that prolonged seating (more than 2-3h straight depending ion the source) is bad for your health.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You tell me....All Movies and TV Shows are stored on a Server, so IMO it's easier to go from Server to Server than Server to Disc. I call that a Win for Streaming!

all movies are not stored on a servers.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That is not the process at all. Does no good to explain to you so I won't attempt to again.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

all movies are not stored on a servers.

He lives in an alternate universe that is far beyond the reach of reason.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

ALL movies and TV shows are NOT on a server that we can access

no old films are stored on old film stock newer and digitized media is a bit morre complicated but https://www.oscars.org/science-techn...motion-picture

no one stores films on active servers, unless the film needs to be available. It is saved in off-line storage that is connected to a machine (depending on the physical media) either to
1) use it (like editing, making a master.....)
2) refresh it ( some media need to be powerd from time to time or it can be damaged)
3) test it (make sur the copy still works 100%)

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

If literally all movies and TV shows were available to stream then I wouldn't have any issues with streaming.

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Would ownership or control matter if literally everything remained available?

I get your point but I must agree with vilya on this.

First of all I don't have an issue with streaming, I just don't see it as the right solution for me.

Now to answer what you talked about what does "all movies and TV shows were available to stream mean.

1) many times, because I live in Canada, previews and other stuff added here in posts will say something like this video can't be played in your region

2) there is content that is now on Disney+ but not Netflix and vice versa. even if we assume it is available on one streaming provider it does not mean it is available on all streaming providers

3)streaming assumes an internet connection what happens when that connection is down?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You mention ‘a few pence more’ but currently, in the U.K., we are looking at going from 1,200 per year to 6,000 per year from next spring. If they can do that now, what is stopping them from surge pricing in peak times in two to three years when everyone has the necessary smart meters?

Peak times could become so unbearable that people are frightened to put stuff on. In a way, that’s happening now with heating staying off in poor households.

We need our government to be strong and enforce a price cap if we go ‘Time Of Use’ in U.K.

I said pence because electricity is paid by the KW, I did not mean any disrispect with it.

The problem is not differential pricing. The problem in the UK (and Europe) is


the price of natural gas was kind of stable for years but in the last couple of years it has skyrocketed and Natural gas is used to create a large portion of your electricity especially during prime time (like the link in my previous post showed). I do feel bad for you guys, but in the end someone has to pay for it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I said pence because electricity is paid by the KW, I did not mean any disrispect with it.

The problem is not differential pricing. The problem in the UK (and Europe) is


the price of natural gas was kind of stable for years but in the last couple of years it has skyrocketed and Natural gas is used to create a large portion of your electricity especially during prime time (like the link in my previous post showed). I do feel bad for you guys, but in the end someone has to pay for it.

First of all, I took zero offence at your ‘pence’ reference. So no worries.

Yeah, that’s what I was trying to explain to Vilya. We are close to experiencing a 78% rise in the price of our energy bills. It’s really scary and I fear for less well off families/individuals.

But longer term, when we have more renewables (off shore wind is huge here) the tariff system will be in full swing.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, that’s what I was trying to explain to Vilya. We are close to experiencing a 78% rise in the price of our energy bills. It’s really scary and I fear for less well off families/individuals.

Let them eat 4K UHD discs!

Seriously, tho, your gubbermint should be able to figure something out to avoid such massive hikes. Your nation's dependence upon imported natural gas was a crisis waiting to happen. This problem is long overdue to be addressed.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Let them eat 4K UHD discs!

Seriously, tho, your gubbermint should be able to figure something out to avoid such massive hikes. Your nation's dependence upon imported natural gas was a crisis waiting to happen. This problem is long overdue to be addressed.

To be fair, they are strongly investing in off shore wind farms. It’s already a growing part of our energy mix.

The problem with gas is that our government shut down storage of gas years ago so we have nowhere to keep it. Now, we are racing against time to open one up again before winter.

Genius, eh?

Oh, and the smelly tree huggers got fracking shut down here, we all would have had plenty of supply otherwise.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

How then, can ‘surge pricing’ be a concern? It has been mentioned several times as a matter of concern in the U.K. relating to a future ‘Time Of Use’ tariff. Even being compared to Uber’s controversial surging (which I know you explained)

If prices are already set, how would that be possible and a matter of concern?
By the way, some of these tariffs will change by the half hour in the future, supposedly for our benefit. (Pinch of salt)

every increase can be a concern (to anyone barely covering their costs now) and let's face it there is always a lot of FUD out there.

I can jus tell you how it works here and how it has been for a very long time.
https://www.hydroquebec.com/resident...80%9315%C2%B0C
ncreases usually happen in the spring (easier for the readers when it was all manual- in the winter the meter could be unreachable) and as of April 1, 2022. rate D is 6.319¢/kWh (what i am paying now) rate DT 4.542¢/kWh most of the time and 26.555¢/kWh during a cold spell (rate I was using before replacing oil furnace with electric furnace a few years ago)
was the price difference enough to say "let's not do laundry", :let's not run the dish washer", "let's not run (electric) stove" followed by " let's wait to do it when it is a bit warmer" (since DT is base on external temperature and not TOD) but never let's not watch TV and just sit around in the dark.

Here it is based on temperature because a lot of homes use electric heating and there is only a few days of year when hydro is not enough and more expensive fossil fuels need to be used. the UK (like Ontario) fossil fuel is over used year round so TOD pricing makes a bit more sense than temperature based pricing.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

every increase can be a concern (to anyone barely covering their costs now) and let's face it there is always a lot of FUD out there.

I can jus tell you how it works here and how it has been for a very long time.
https://www.hydroquebec.com/resident...80%9315%C2%B0C
ncreases usually happen in the spring (easier for the readers when it was all manual- in the winter the meter could be unreachable) and as of April 1, 2022. rate D is 6.319¢/kWh (what i am paying now) rate DT 4.542¢/kWh most of the time and 26.555¢/kWh during a cold spell (rate I was using before replacing oil furnace with electric furnace a few years ago)
was the price difference enough to say "let's not do laundry", :let's not run the dish washer", "let's not run (electric) stove" followed by " let's wait to do it when it is a bit warmer" (since DT is base on external temperature and not TOD) but never let's not watch TV and just sit around in the dark.

Here it is based on temperature because a lot of homes use electric heating and there is only a few days of year when hydro is not enough and more expensive fossil fuels need to be used. the UK (like Ontario) fossil fuel is over used year round so TOD pricing makes a bit more sense than temperature based pricing.

You guys got wise with hydro. Nearly 60% of your energy supply? Good going that.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

To be fair, they are strongly investing in off shore wind farms. It’s already a growing part of our energy mix.

The problem with gas is that our government shut down storage of gas years ago so we have nowhere to keep it. Now, we are racing against time to open one up again before winter.

Genius, eh?

Oh, and the smelly tree huggers got fracking shut down here, we all would have had plenty of supply otherwise.

Hindsight is always in the highest resolution of all.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

First of all, I took zero offence at your ‘pence’ reference. So no worries.

Yeah, that’s what I was trying to explain to Vilya. We are close to experiencing a 78% rise in the price of our energy bills. It’s really scary and I fear for less well off families/individuals.

But longer term, when we have more renewables (off shore wind is huge here) the tariff system will be in full swing.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

To be fair, they are strongly investing in off shore wind farms. It’s already a growing part of our energy mix.

The problem with gas is that our government shut down storage of gas years ago so we have nowhere to keep it. Now, we are racing against time to open one up again before winter.

Genius, eh?

Oh, and the smelly tree huggers got fracking shut down here, we all would have had plenty of supply otherwise.

yeah Europe and the UK are in a bind. Russia was keeping export prices artificially low and now you guys are kind of screwed.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You guys got wise with hydro. Nearly 60% of your energy supply? Good going that.

I don't know if it is "wise" I see it more as luck. Back in the day there was a lot of kickback from all sides on going that rout, you needed to spend a lot of money and hope for a lot of none existing and untested cutting edge technology to make it happen. HQ at first wanted to go nuclear/fossil but a gouvernment change changed everything and the plan was to be more self reliant.
Where did you get that 60% from? HQ runs some small diesel plants that serve local far flung communities that can't be attached to the main grid and on the main grid there is only one gas turbine plant that is barely ever used. this is the mix

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

yeah Europe and the UK are in a bind. Russia was keeping export prices artificially low and now you guys are kind of screwed.

We only get 4% of gas from Russia. It’s Germany and a couple others that are really screwed. They relied on 60% of supply from Russia I believe, madness imo. At least we have a main liquid gas supply line in our own country and the North Sea to draw from.
Germany are going to feel the brunt of the EU countries (we are no longer part of EU)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I don't know if it is "wise" I see it more as luck. Back in the day there was a lot of kickback from all sides on going that rout, you needed to spend a lot of money and hope for a lot of none existing and untested cutting edge technology to make it happen. HQ at first wanted to go nuclear/fossil but a gouvernment change changed everything and the plan was to be more self reliant.
Where did you get that 60% from? HQ runs some small diesel plants that serve local far flung communities that can't be attached to the main grid and on the main grid there is only one gas turbine plant that is barely ever used. this is the mix

Canada wide I meant.

Those figures state 2019 but that’s the latest I could get. Maybe it’s jumped considerably but it’s only 3 years.

https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-an...es-canada.html