Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The Mods don't like us attacking each other so I won't lower myself to your standards, but the Revenue Report shows all the Disc Sales Information. I was just wondering if there was a tipping point price, and what you guys would do!

Do you feel attacked? My "bargain" Vizio shares your pain.

No one is attacking you. We're just tired of you repeating the same false information you have been called out on for years now. Either you are purposefully trying to cause trouble or you are allergic to facts and have comprehension issues. If there is some condition we should be aware of then that's cool and I sympathize. If not you are being wilfully obstinate, make claims you know are false and then ghost the thread when people ask you to provide evidence. Lee took care of that for you this time.

If I came in this thread a few times a week saying the sky was purple, offered no evidence of my claims and ignored people when they told me I was wrong, only to pop up a day or so later talking about that purple sky again then I would expect people to respond appropriately.

[Ender14]

On a happier note these movies are out for delivery today:



And I added these last week:



My viewing cup runneth over.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Wendell you think you have the best equipment and most knowledge, what schools did you attend?

Have linked a little info about myself for over 17 years in every post I make, Red and Green in my signature line, just click. Not listed is specialty education by Ampex Corp., Tektronix, Jerrold Electronics (cable systems), studio lighting (not required, just interested) and some others. I have two technical Emmys (in a box somewhere in storage).

I have question for you, how much are you willing to pay for continued access to cloud movies? If you read the TOS/EULA for them you will see the providers could charge for continued access. If not in the TOS/EULA does not mean much because they can always change the agreements.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Do you have a tipping point price for streaming? What would you do if prices went up?

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I have question for you, how much are you willing to pay for continued access to cloud movies? If you read the TOS/EULA for them you will see the providers could charge for continued access. If not in the TOS/EULA does not mean much because they can always change the agreements.

Okay you guys have some good Streaming questions, and Amazon Prime and Netflix are my main Streaming Sources. So they will stay as long as I can support them. MA and Vudu don't cost anything, so they stay. Now Disney+, Hulu, Paramount+, and Peacock will probably go. Hulu might stay it has some good Movies and Shows. I'll have to see which ones are worth keeping. Between MA and Vudu if they start charging, I'll let MA go and keep Vudu, but it will all depend on cost.

[alchav21]

Ender this Thread is about Physical vs Digital, and it seems I'm the only one left Supporting Digital. Yes many do both but Digital is always "Good Enough." When I say IMO Digital is more than that you guys tear it apart, so of course I have to defend it. The Source I like to use is the Sales Report from Media Play News. The Average Disc Cost tells me what you guys are spending on Discs. All you guys should be looking at it to see if your spending is below or above this Average Disc Cost. The BD Cost is for both BD and 4K's. You guys love to Boast about your 4K Buys, you should also put in your Average Disc Cost to see if you are Supporting Disc or not.

As for your Vizio, it is a good UHD TV but it's for the Budget minded. It is not considered a High End Brand!

[cheez avenger]

My 4K sets for Universal Monsters Vol 2 and To Kill a Mockingbird arrived this evening. I'm off tomorrow, so will watch some then.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The Source I like to use is the Sales Report from Media Play News. The Average Disc Cost tells me what you guys are spending on Discs. All you guys should be looking at it to see if your spending is below or above this Average Disc Cost. The BD Cost is for both BD and 4K's. You guys love to Boast about your 4K Buys, you should also put in your Average Disc Cost to see if you are Supporting Disc or not.

[Show spoiler]

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Ender this Thread is about Physical vs Digital, and it seems I'm the only one left Supporting Digital. Yes many do both but Digital is always "Good Enough." When I say IMO Digital is more than that you guys tear it apart, so of course I have to defend it. The Source I like to use is the Sales Report from Media Play News. The Average Disc Cost tells me what you guys are spending on Discs. All you guys should be looking at it to see if your spending is below or above this Average Disc Cost. The BD Cost is for both BD and 4K's. You guys love to Boast about your 4K Buys, you should also put in your Average Disc Cost to see if you are Supporting Disc or not.

As for your Vizio, it is a good UHD TV but it's for the Budget minded. It is not considered a High End Brand!

What are you talking about? I think if we are spending thousands a year on films, we are supporting discs. Just a hunch like.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Ender this Thread is about Physical vs Digital, and it seems I'm the only one left Supporting Digital. Yes many do both but Digital is always "Good Enough." When I say IMO Digital is more than that you guys tear it apart, so of course I have to defend it. The Source I like to use is the Sales Report from Media Play News. The Average Disc Cost tells me what you guys are spending on Discs. All you guys should be looking at it to see if your spending is below or above this Average Disc Cost. The BD Cost is for both BD and 4K's. You guys love to Boast about your 4K Buys, you should also put in your Average Disc Cost to see if you are Supporting Disc or not.

As for your Vizio, it is a good UHD TV but it's for the Budget minded. It is not considered a High End Brand!

I don't have a problem with you or anyone defending streaming. I use it myself. But that's not all you do.

Why would I need to calculate if my disc spending is above or below the average disc cost? It is irrelevant. Buying movies is not simply a financial transaction for me, nor would I think for anyone who truly loves film. The studios, major and boutique alike, are obviously making enough money on physical media sales to continue releasing an abundance of titles. That is all I care about. I don't worry about physical media going away in my lifetime because I don't foresee that happening.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Ender this Thread is about Physical vs Digital, and it seems I'm the only one left Supporting Digital.

Good it's down to one.

We got this.

The thread title is Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

You are enthusiastic about the "digital" side but it's Physical & Digital not Physical vs Digital. There is no format war now we have options.

A physical media release often comes with a digital copy. It's easy to enjoy both.

The highest quality home video media currently available is UHD BD which doesn't interest you. You should give it another try though, it's fun.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

MA and Vudu don't cost anything, so they stay.

Not true, you have to pay a ISP every month for access. The last time I did a breakdown of my $80 a month ISP bill about $60 of that $80 went to streaming. If my cell service should ever move to the 900 MHz band then I could get by without a ISP by using my phone as a hotspot.

Disc collectors here have explained numerous times the reasons they buy disc, why do you keep asking for repeat answers? I don't remember a single post where “I collect disc because they are cheap”.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes many do both but Digital is always "Good Enough." When I say IMO Digital is more than that you guys tear it apart, so of course I have to defend it.

The simple explanation, you are most likely watching with your display in SOE mode so you don't what others see. Till you learn or pay someone to change your display then your viewpoint will never change. Do I need to link the Vincent Teoh video for the 3rd time?

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Not true, you have to pay a ISP every month for access. The last time I did a breakdown of my $80 a month ISP bill about $60 of that $80 went to streaming. If my cell service should ever move to the 900 MHz band then I could get by without a ISP by using my phone as a hotspot.

Disc collectors here have explained numerous times the reasons they buy disc, why do you keep asking for repeat answers? I don't remember a single post where “I collect disc because they are cheap”.

You never stop paying for online movies. Isn't it great.



Well, my disc collection was tiny before local rental places when out of business.

I still have one of my less than a dollar movies from Hollywood Video clearance sale.



Taking a friend to see Smile for $19 at my local theater or picking up the UHD BD for under $30 ..... Neither one seems particularly expensive to me these days.

In my opinion it's still cheap.

EDIT - This arrived from GRUV



That's 3 UHD BD, 3 Blu Rays, and 3 Digital 4K copies and it was $18.39 shipped. .... I think it's still cheap.

[cheez avenger]

Had $20 credit over at the CC shop and used it to get Lost Highway 4K, Blow Out 4K, and Exotica BD. The sale ends in like 10 minutes and I also qualified and received the $50 Criterion loyalty GC for future purchases.

[Warm Gun]

I don't know why the Prime deals are shown like any normal deals at the top of the site, as if having Prime is normal or the default. Should probably show them separately with "Prime" written above.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Not true, you have to pay a ISP every month for access. The last time I did a breakdown of my $80 a month ISP bill about $60 of that $80 went to streaming. If my cell service should ever move to the 900 MHz band then I could get by without a ISP by using my phone as a hotspot.

Disc collectors here have explained numerous times the reasons they buy disc, why do you keep asking for repeat answers? I don't remember a single post where “I collect disc because they are cheap”.

In terms of cost I think it would go from lowest to highest:
library , rental, physical, digital in terms of cost.

The used market simply makes physical media extremely cheap to the point where its even cheaper then digital collecting.

I bought a blu ray of pollyanna from a pawn shop a couple of months ago for 4 dollars including the dmi points that brings it down to closer to 2.5 dollars. If i decide to sell it I could probably sell it for around 20 dollars pretty easily making my net cost for the item negative 17.5 dollars.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

I don't know why the Prime deals are shown like any normal deals at the top of the site, as if having Prime is normal or the default. Should probably show them separately with "Prime" written above.

What is sort of worse is .... I have prime and I see a deal here but turns out it's even cheaper on Prime.

Friday the 13th UHD BD is $16.74 on the deals page here but $12.99 on Prime currently.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by bhampton

What is sort of worse is .... I have prime and I see a deal here but turns out it's even cheaper on Prime.

Friday the 13th UHD BD is $16.74 on the deals page here but $12.99 on Prime currently.

I have been going to Amazon directly and clicking on deals and choosing movies and TV shows which gets you to the lower prices. I have picked up a few titles this round with the Indiana Jones 4K set, Bram Stokers Dracula 4K, and the latest Jurassic World 4K.

[Warm Gun]

Realized that even after I set up the Z9X streamer tomorrow, I'll have to spend another half a grand or so for Dolby Vision MKVs, because my four year old Onkyo motherboard starts humming after playing video for a while, which is why I like having the PC video (HDMI) go to the TV and the PC audio (HDMI) go to the receiver with a fake second desktop display. It only hums when I feed it high res video.

Thinking the Denon AVR-S760H. Close enough now to Black Friday/Cyber Monday that I can just wait.

Read on the Sony support site/forum that their TVs can only pass uncompressed audio through, not pass it to the other device from apps on its own operating system. So I spent a while trying to set that up as a test, plugging my 4K disc player into HDMI 1, still failing to have it pass through to HDMI 3 (ARC) without becoming a stereo PCM signal, until I remembered that only HDMI 3 has Dolby Vision. So that wouldn't work for what I'm trying to set up anyway.

It's all so irritating. All these unexpected expenses. If only the designers of these streaming boxes saw the importance of having two HDMI outputs. I'm sure plenty of people have issues with passthrough. I did see one device like that, the Dune HD Pro, but it was extra expensive because it also had a hard drive tray. What kind of cinephile serious about watching ripped movies would limit their self to one hard drive anyway? Well, I say "if only," but it's really on Dolby for their royalties/licenses for Dolby Vision and Microsoft for not wanting to pay them. Wish I could just play DV from a PC media player or buy a (working) DV extension from the Windows Store.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Not true, you have to pay a ISP every month for access. The last time I did a breakdown of my $80 a month ISP bill about $60 of that $80 went to streaming.

Disc collectors here have explained numerous times the reasons they buy disc, why do you keep asking for repeat answers? I don't remember a single post where “I collect disc because they are cheap”.

I pay more than $80/mo to my ISP for Internet, HD Channels, and Intranet DVR...."I never said that FTTP was Cheap!"

I still have a rack of about 100 DVD's and BD near my Sony UHD TV. My wife said why do I still have those, nobody uses them anymore...."Get rid of them it's Embarrassing!'