Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[cheez avenger]

More titles are being removed completely from P+ and Showtime:

Days after Showtime, which is currently merging with Paramount+, pulled multiple titles from their platform, the streaming service has followed suit.

Jordan Peelee’s “The Twilight Zone,” which aired for two seasons between 2019 and 2020, has been removed, along with all three seasons of “The Real World: Homecoming.” Other projects no longer available include “Coyote,” “No Activity,” “Guilty Party” and “The Harper House.”

https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/par...ng-1235509521/


In addition to:

Showtime has pulled City on a Hill, the Kevin Bacon and Aldis Hodge cop thriller that lasted 3 seasons. It’s not available anymore on the Paramount plus or Showtime app.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Ender14

So basically it is just a way to get out of print discs back in circulation through Mill Creek. It has NOTHING to do with 4K discs being "too expensive"

Did you even watch the video? He states exactly what I copied above. At no point does he say they're not doing 4K because it's too expensive. You can't even comprehend the information you provide.

I don't just pull this stuff out of my hat, here is Heath Holland from CerealAtMidnight. You guys think it's so cheap to Stamp Out Discs, like Wendell puts it!

The True Cost of 4K - YouTube

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I don't just pull this stuff out of my hat, here is Heath Holland from CerealAtMidnight. You guys think it's so cheap to Stamp Out Discs, like Wendell puts it!

The True Cost of 4K - YouTube

For the love of all that is holy, it doesn't matter how much it costs to make 4K discs. They are obviously more profitable than streaming because they keep releasing more and more discs whereas all streaming services are cutting back. It costs a ton to make a Lamborghini but it doesn't matter because they make money off of it. It's not a hard concept.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I hope you don't mind SD DVD, especially for TV Shows. Maybe BD, but it cost 6.5 x DVD to make 4K Discs!

Originally Posted by alchav21

I don't just pull this stuff out of my hat, here is Heath Holland from CerealAtMidnight. You guys think it's so cheap to Stamp Out Discs, like Wendell puts it!

Not sure why I bother replying but there may be some here that will understand.

To repeat, Mill Creek will not be doing 4K disc in the Disney deal because that was not part of the deal!! Get it???

Disc replication cost, even your YouTube idol listed UHD Blu-ray as 3X more than DVD, not 6.5 x. Film restoration, scanning, color grading, etc. does cost more for higher resolution video formats. Some of these projects where restored literally frame by frame.

I would ask Robert A. Harris to explain here but he refuses to post on this site because of clueless posters like you. In fact, he requested that I not even quote him on this site.

Does anyone know of a title restoration done for streaming only? I do not, every project that I know about was done for disc and could make it to streaming. With so many EST capable devices one would think it would be the other way around.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I don't just pull this stuff out of my hat, here is Heath Holland from CerealAtMidnight. You guys think it's so cheap to Stamp Out Discs, like Wendell puts it!

The True Cost of 4K - YouTube

To make a 4k stream they need to restore a film for 4k either way it’s a sunk cost unless they just throw the film in the trash and make nothing off it. As far as authoring goes they need to author it for streaming or for physical media.

The questionable thing is what costs more pressing a disc packaging it and selling it or selling it digitally and running the costs to stream that film forever. Personally I think the dollar or 2 a pressed and package disc takes is less then the cost to run a media server for a life time.

[Steedeel]

Watched Highlander 4K tonight. Ashamed to say I hadn’t seen it all the way through. All I remember is hazy clips on VHS.

Positives:
transfer really shows off the highlands and the various camera pans and swoops.
Cinematography is impressive and quite creative at times.
Queen soundtrack
Clancy Brown

Negatives
Unconvincing sword fights
Very dated FX
Disjointed script
Christopher Lambert has about as much charisma as a sink plunger.

A rare dud blind buy for me, all these years wondering what all the fuss was about and now, I think I was right to avoid it.

Going to sell it

Film 2/5
Picture quality 4/5
Audio 4/5
Extras 4/5

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Watched Highlander 4K tonight. Ashamed to say I hadn’t seen it all the way through. All I remember is hazy clips on VHS.

Christopher Lambert has about as much charisma as a sink plunger.

A new one and . Believe I had mentioned we rented and took a pass on this one. I'm sure others passed on some titles that I really liked.

For me, the best use of this thread has become post that alert us to titles and vendors of disc that we may have overlooked or forgot about. Same for some streaming titles. Even alchav21 has contributed positive in this area.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

A new one and . Believe I had mentioned we rented and took a pass on this one. I'm sure others passed on some titles that I really liked.

For me, the best use of this thread has become post that alert us to titles and vendors of disc that we may have overlooked or forgot about. Same for some streaming titles. Even alchav21 has contributed positive in this area.

Agreed.

Still my champion for the year is Top Gun: Maverick. Film and 4K A/V quality. Nope was also excellent along with The Batman.

Catalogue wise, Shawshank fared the best but that may be put to the test with Apocalypse Now (watching next week)

Next up for new releases is Dune. Probably early next week.

Weekend HT viewing will be The Black Phone (standard Blu)

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Watched Highlander 4K tonight. Ashamed to say I hadn’t seen it all the way through. All I remember is hazy clips on VHS.

Positives:
transfer really shows off the highlands and the various camera pans and swoops.
Cinematography is impressive and quite creative at times.
Queen soundtrack
Clancy Brown

Negatives
Unconvincing sword fights
Very dated FX
Disjointed script
Christopher Lambert has about as much charisma as a sink plunger.

A rare dud blind buy for me, all these years wondering what all the fuss was about and now, I think I was right to avoid it.

Going to sell it

Film 2/5
Picture quality 4/5
Audio 4/5
Extras 4/5

Sorry you didn't care for it. I love the film and it's one of my favorite films of all time -- made an impact on me when I was young, so I figure it's one of those "you had to be there" type-of-films.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Sorry you didn't care for it. I love the film and it's one of my favorite films of all time -- made an impact on me when I was young, so I figure it's one of those "you had to be there" type-of-films.

Agree with this. I've always had a soft spot for Highlander since seeing it as a teen. Worth it for Clancy Brown alone.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Ender14

For the love of all that is holy, it doesn't matter how much it costs to make 4K discs. They are obviously more profitable than streaming because they keep releasing more and more discs whereas all streaming services are cutting back. It costs a ton to make a Lamborghini but it doesn't matter because they make money off of it. It's not a hard concept.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Disc replication cost, even your YouTube idol listed UHD Blu-ray as 3X more than DVD, not 6.5 x. Film restoration, scanning, color grading, etc. does cost more for higher resolution video formats. Some of these projects where restored literally frame by frame.

I would ask Robert A. Harris to explain here but he refuses to post on this site because of clueless posters like you. In fact, he requested that I not even quote him on this site.

Boy I sure hit a nerve with you guys, I guess you just want to stay in your Ancient Sheltered World of 4K Movie Discs. This is the point I don't think they are making that much on 4K Movies. Let's say to Produce and Replicate a DVD is around $3/Disc, at 6.5 x that makes 4K $19.50/Disc. According to the Revenue Report the Average BD which includes 4K is $20. That doesn't give the Studios much of a Profit. You said a Lamborghini, well those are Custom Ordered and not Mass Produced!

Those Restorations of Robert A Harris are impressive, and I'm sure very costly. IMO Producing with Art Work, Replicating, and Packaging a Disc is a lot more work than going Server to Server!

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Boy I sure hit a nerve with you guys, I guess you just want to stay in your Ancient Sheltered World of 4K Movie Discs. This is the point I don't think they are making that much on 4K Movies. Let's say to Produce and Replicate a DVD is around $3/Disc, at 6.5 x that makes 4K $19.50/Disc. According to the Revenue Report the Average BD which includes 4K is $20. That doesn't give the Studios much of a Profit. You said a Lamborghini, well those are Custom Ordered and not Mass Produced!

Those Restorations of Robert A Harris are impressive, and I'm sure very costly. IMO Producing with Art Work, Replicating, and Packaging a Disc is a lot more work than going Server to Server!

Except discs don't cost that much to replicate. The Smallville series cost around 110 dollars on release day. Its a 42 disc set so if discs cost as much as you think they do then Warner bros would be losing 76 dollars a set since day one.

The thing is the replication costs for dvds is closer to like 50 cents to a dollar each so ya a 4k disc may cost like 3 dollars. That sounds reasonable as we have 4k releases selling at 6 to 10 dollars some of the time.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Agree with this. I've always had a soft spot for Highlander since seeing it as a teen. Worth it for Clancy Brown alone.

Yeah, it somehow slipped through my fingers in the VHS era. I must have rented 90% of the store’s output over time but not that one.
I knew it was popular because it was talked about a lot.

I just really struggled with it. It got off to a bad start with the car park fight. The enemy was supposed to be an immortal but he swung a sword like the drunk bloke who is last out at the bar. It didn’t match with the acrobatics and straight away I thought it was hokey and unconvincing.
I couldn’t take Lambert seriously either. Awful casting in my opinion. Mel Gibson would have been perfect.

However, it did have some really cool shots which looked great in 4K. Like you guys said, Clancy Brown was great.

Just didn’t connect with me, despite the awesome soundtrack.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, it somehow slipped through my fingers in the VHS era. I must have rented 90% of the store’s output over time but not that one.
I knew it was popular because it was talked about a lot.

I just really struggled with it. It got off to a bad start with the car park fight. The enemy was supposed to be an immortal but he swung a sword like the drunk bloke who is last out at the bar. It didn’t match with the acrobatics and straight away I thought it was hokey and unconvincing.
I couldn’t take Lambert seriously either. Awful casting in my opinion. Mel Gibson would have been perfect.

However, it did have some really cool shots which looked great in 4K. Like you guys said, Clancy Brown was great.

Just didn’t connect with me, despite the awesome soundtrack.

Agree completely with this assessment. I remember renting the vhs back in the day and simply couldn’t get past Lambert.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, it somehow slipped through my fingers in the VHS era. I must have rented 90% of the store’s output over time but not that one.
I knew it was popular because it was talked about a lot.

I just really struggled with it. It got off to a bad start with the car park fight. The enemy was supposed to be an immortal but he swung a sword like the drunk bloke who is last out at the bar. It didn’t match with the acrobatics and straight away I thought it was hokey and unconvincing.
I couldn’t take Lambert seriously either. Awful casting in my opinion. Mel Gibson would have been perfect.

However, it did have some really cool shots which looked great in 4K. Like you guys said, Clancy Brown was great.

Just didn’t connect with me, despite the awesome soundtrack.

I think the popularity had a lot to do with the Queen soundtrack.

I never liked this movie either.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Boy I sure hit a nerve with you guys, I guess you just want to stay in your Ancient Sheltered World of 4K Movie Discs. This is the point I don't think they are making that much on 4K Movies. Let's say to Produce and Replicate a DVD is around $3/Disc, at 6.5 x that makes 4K $19.50/Disc. According to the Revenue Report the Average BD which includes 4K is $20. That doesn't give the Studios much of a Profit. You said a Lamborghini, well those are Custom Ordered and not Mass Produced!

Those Restorations of Robert A Harris are impressive, and I'm sure very costly. IMO Producing with Art Work, Replicating, and Packaging a Disc is a lot more work than going Server to Server!

4K's are 19,50 to produce ? I see 4K's being sold for far less than that.

Here is an example.


https://www.rarewaves.com/products/5051892226820-tenet

I don't know how it is in the US but over here it is even illegal to sell with a loss.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Boy I sure hit a nerve with you guys, I guess you just want to stay in your Ancient Sheltered World of 4K Movie Discs. This is the point I don't think they are making that much on 4K Movies. Let's say to Produce and Replicate a DVD is around $3/Disc, at 6.5 x that makes 4K $19.50/Disc. According to the Revenue Report the Average BD which includes 4K is $20. That doesn't give the Studios much of a Profit. You said a Lamborghini, well those are Custom Ordered and not Mass Produced!

Those Restorations of Robert A Harris are impressive, and I'm sure very costly. IMO Producing with Art Work, Replicating, and Packaging a Disc is a lot more work than going Server to Server!

Myself, you and everyone else here knows you post this stuff just to get a reaction and then feign ignorance when called out on it. Perfect example is the "Ancient Sheltered World of 4K movie discs" statement above. This site is called Blu-ray.com, not streaming.com. So it stands to reason the majority of the visitors to this site are interested in your "Ancient" discs. To make derogatory remarks about the very reason for this site's existence is inflammatory and anyone with a modicum of intelligence would know that. But perhaps I am giving you too much credit. Either way, I'm done responding to your invidious behavior.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, it somehow slipped through my fingers in the VHS era. I must have rented 90% of the store’s output over time but not that one.
I knew it was popular because it was talked about a lot.

I just really struggled with it. It got off to a bad start with the car park fight. The enemy was supposed to be an immortal but he swung a sword like the drunk bloke who is last out at the bar. It didn’t match with the acrobatics and straight away I thought it was hokey and unconvincing.
I couldn’t take Lambert seriously either. Awful casting in my opinion. Mel Gibson would have been perfect.

However, it did have some really cool shots which looked great in 4K. Like you guys said, Clancy Brown was great.

Just didn’t connect with me, despite the awesome soundtrack.

Oh, it's a whole lot of cheesy. I would never deny that. But it's one of those movies that seemed so awesome when you're young that you can't help but have a soft spot for it even after you recognize its obvious flaws. So I can see how it might not appeal to someone new to it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Oh, it's a whole lot of cheesy. I would never deny that. But it's one of those movies that seemed so awesome when you're young that you can't help but have a soft spot for it even after you recognize its obvious flaws. So I can see how it might not appeal to someone new to it.

Yeah, totally get it. Felt like that about a lot of movies myself.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Agree completely with this assessment. I remember renting the vhs back in the day and simply couldn’t get past Lambert.

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

I think the popularity had a lot to do with the Queen soundtrack.

I never liked this movie either.

He looked drunk rather than immortal imo.