Star Trek Question

[AKORIS]

I don't care about director's cuts (as a matter of fact I don't like STAR TREK
2's director cut) so I bought the blus.
The first film is my least favorite of the series so I don't care if it's the theatrical cut (without the improved effects)

Funny thing-- I'm hearing several people whine about not getting the "directors vision" of the film yet there are countless people screaming and yelling about George Lucas (giving HIS preferred version) of the STAR WARS
movies and how they won't buy them unless they get the original versions

As far as the PQ quality I've watched 1 through 3 and I peaked at the last title and they all looked excellent to me

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

Funny thing-- I'm hearing several people whine about not getting the "directors vision" of the film yet there are countless people screaming and yelling about George Lucas (giving HIS preferred version) of the STAR WARS
movies and how they won't buy them unless they get the original versions

I know, funny. I've brought this up a few times in one of the many threads in the forums on the subject of "let's hate George Lucas".

I always get blasted by everyone because I love the Special Editions and I got no problems with Lucas not releasing the original version. Yet in this Star Trek thread they all want the Director's cut. But I already know what they will say, the Star Trek Director's cut are the better version

[whbinder]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I know, funny. I've brought this up a few times in one of the many threads in the forums on the subject of "let's hate George Lucas".

I always get blasted by everyone because I love the Special Editions and I got no problems with Lucas not releasing the original version. Yet in this Star Trek thread they all want the Director's cut. But I already know what they will say, the Star Trek Director's cut are the better version

That's fair. There are a couple of differences to consider, but your point is well received. If I may...

First, I always am a fan of theatrical versions. That includes TMP. I like having the Director's Cut at home, but have kept my LD (until the BD came out) to have the '79 cut. Perhaps I'm unusual in that way, but at least I'm consistent in wanting the original versiosn of things.

The director's cut of TMP (and TOS for that matter) were never intended to "replace" the original and erase any memory of them. There just a different option if you'd like it. Lucas on the other hand has made great effort to ignore any trace of the original Star Wars films.

The changes in TMP were made because the film was honestly unfinished. Wise made as much of an attempt as possible to finish the film with as few "modern" effects as possible, going back and editing the film as it would have been edited back then. Yes, Paramount made him agree to put some minimal new CGI in so they had something to advertise, but even those shots were fairly true to what the film looked like in '79.

Star Wars was a jarringly different technology crammed in the film. The original discussions of the SE was to just clean up some edges etc to make it look a little cleaner, but instead the film was filled to the brim with CGI as a test run for Phantom Menace. The matching was blatant and strange.

In short, the changes to TMP were to correct editing errors as subtly as possible. The changes in SW were to gee whiz over the top change the film.

But I still agree with your point in general.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by whbinder

That's fair. There are a couple of differences to consider, but your point is well received. If I may...

First, I always am a fan of theatrical versions. That includes TMP. I like having the Director's Cut at home, but have kept my LD (until the BD came out) to have the '79 cut. Perhaps I'm unusual in that way, but at least I'm consistent in wanting the original versiosn of things.

The director's cut of TMP (and TOS for that matter) were never intended to "replace" the original and erase any memory of them. There just a different option if you'd like it. Lucas on the other hand has made great effort to ignore any trace of the original Star Wars films.

The changes in TMP were made because the film was honestly unfinished. Wise made as much of an attempt as possible to finish the film with as few "modern" effects as possible, going back and editing the film as it would have been edited back then. Yes, Paramount made him agree to put some minimal new CGI in so they had something to advertise, but even those shots were fairly true to what the film looked like in '79.

Star Wars was a jarringly different technology crammed in the film. The original discussions of the SE was to just clean up some edges etc to make it look a little cleaner, but instead the film was filled to the brim with CGI as a test run for Phantom Menace. The matching was blatant and strange.

In short, the changes to TMP were to correct editing errors as subtly as possible. The changes in SW were to gee whiz over the top change the film.

But I still agree with your point in general.

I fall in the category of more is always better when it come's to movies I never felt that an added scene later that was removed from a theatrical release was a bad thing. I know it's usualy not the case most movie fans prefer I think to have TE over a director's cut or a EE. So if I've seen a version of a movie with the extended scene added, that's going to be the version I always want to see it. I

I never had problems with the Special Editions of Star Wars, I actualy love them better then the original (don't flame me, I get enough flak as it is)

I do have the original version of Star Wars on DVD afterall it's Star Wars I like watching them on the anniversary release dates in May just for fun mostly. But I will always prefer watching the Special Editions.

For TMP, well I haven't seen the original in years (and I do mean years) so the director's cut as become my prefered way of watching the movie.

In short I got no problem that Paramount did a TE release for these movies, it's really not a big problem. Usualy I get annoyed because if I mention that I prefer not buying them well that bring's in the ironic comments (I don't mean you here) about how stupid one can be because one does not one to purchase a theatrical release. I got fraked up by Paramount with Star Trek. I went out and bought all of the movies on DVD only to have them release them again with director's cut and added special features. This time around I prefer waiting for the future release of these instead of jumping on them right away.

[glenn-bob]

I too am a huge ST fan but the first movie is terrible anyway so who cares what cut it is. YAWN.

[P@t_Mtl]

I am very surprised by all the hate for TMP, it's actualy a good movie I find. It's not fast pace yes but I still find it fun too watch.

[newtype]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I am very surprised by all the hate for TMP, it's actualy a good movie I find. It's not fast pace yes but I still find it fun too watch.

It's one of my favs.