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Old 09-08-2007, 03:08 PM   #21
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Sayyy i got and idea...

If a lot of you guys support the PIP thing and say they have a "better" HD experience, why dont we built a TV that drains out water in the front for those "in water experiences" like a Ocean or Sea Flic ?

Or Some Smoke to create a smell feeling when the cars screech their tires or Blood when they kill someone all of that on a TV just to have a "better HD" experience

What would be better that a TV when you see porn... OH my god noooo, maybe in your face but not mine, hell noooo

Go Blu...
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:12 PM   #22
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Sayyy i got and idea...

If a lot of you guys support the PIP thing and say they have a "better" HD experience, why dont we built a TV that drains out water in the front for those "in water experiences" like a Ocean or Sea Flic ?

Or Some Smoke to create a smell feeling when the cars screech their tires or Blood when they kill someone all of that on a TV just to have a "better HD" experience

What would be better that a TV when you see porn... OH my god noooo, maybe in your face but not mine, hell noooo

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they have those at theme parks i believe they call them "4-d" rides well minus the porn part
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:13 PM   #23
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Sayyy i got and idea...

If a lot of you guys support the PIP thing and say they have a "better" HD experience, why dont we built a TV that drains out water in the front for those "in water experiences" like a Ocean or Sea Flic ?

Or Some Smoke to create a smell feeling when the cars screech their tires or Blood when they kill someone all of that on a TV just to have a "better HD" experience

What would be better that a TV when you see porn... OH my god noooo, maybe in your face but not mine, hell noooo

Go Blu...
lol.

I think extras are a gimmick as well. I'll play video games if i'm looking for interactivity.
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:16 PM   #24
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lol.

I think extras are a gimmick as well. I'll play video games if i'm looking for interactivity.
Thats about it... by the way have you ever seen in a Real Movie Theater or IMAX a PIP thing ? or BD-J 1.1 ? those are what we call (to fill data space in the BD) Go Blu...
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:19 PM   #25
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i know how biased you guys may feel toward bluray... cuz i was once the same towards hddvd. I could care less now who wins because they both look wonderful. but in all honesty and people who are neutral or have owned both and are not biased can back me up. there is truly no difference in either format unless you get into the videophiles or audiophiles that nitpick every little thing then both sides have their faults and their goods.
i'm in it for the highdef picture and sound goodness. and numbers as they are right now seem to sway more towards bluray every day
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:22 PM   #26
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i know how biased you guys may feel toward bluray... cuz i was once the same towards hddvd. I could care less now who wins because they both look wonderful. but in all honesty and people who are neutral or have owned both and are not biased can back me up. there is truly no difference in either format unless you get into the videophiles or audiophiles that nitpick every little thing then both sides have their faults and their goods.
i'm in it for the highdef picture and sound goodness. and numbers as they are right now seem to sway more towards bluray every day

This is exactly why Blu-ray SHOULD win. If there truly is no difference to the average consumer on picture or sound quality, then why not support the format that has the ability to go to 200GB discs and a higher bit-rate?? Supporting HD-DVD when you openly admit those facts is like saying that it doesn't matter if you drive a pinto or a ferrari because they both drive the same speed on the freeway....
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:27 PM   #27
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i know how biased you guys may feel toward bluray... cuz i was once the same towards hddvd. I could care less now who wins because they both look wonderful. but in all honesty and people who are neutral or have owned both and are not biased can back me up. there is truly no difference in either format unless you get into the videophiles or audiophiles that nitpick every little thing then both sides have their faults and their goods.
i'm in it for the highdef picture and sound goodness. and numbers as they are right now seem to sway more towards bluray every day
alright men, you WIN... for real i mean it...

If a lot of us can see the difference between both formats (some having both) and you just cant (besides the HDi and BD-J) then theres nothing else to say about it.

To tell you my experience, i was gonna back up MS-Toshiba at the begining cause i didnt knew Blu-ray, and when i saw a couple of Gran Turismo HD pics and going inside Compusa and actually seeing Ultraviolet and Casino Royale i say to myself "Damn i never seen nothing before like that"

by the way, i saw first Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift which almost got me into HD-DUD thing but, Real Facts are Real Facts, Support, Studios, Quality (i guess i see it that way) Hardware and PS3 all in one machine... I paid it full price and never looked back and joined the Blu-ARMY world i guess i have SONY to blame... Go Blu...
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:31 PM   #28
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This is exactly why Blu-ray SHOULD win. If there truly is no difference to the average consumer on picture or sound quality, then why not support the format that has the ability to go to 200GB discs and a higher bit-rate?? Supporting HD-DVD when you openly admit those facts is like saying that it doesn't matter if you drive a pinto or a ferrari because they both drive the same speed on the freeway....
in your rationality thought process though why would you need 200GB disc and the higher bitrate then? i have honestly not seen or heard a difference in any movie i used to own on hddvd that i now own on bluray
again i sold off all of my hddvds i am all bluray... i'm just not as all gunhoe about the whole thing as others i see lol.
to me it's about the units and software sold... i was pissed though because i decided to go bluray exclusive 1 week before the paramount fiasco but i am over it. if the numbers stay the same we'll be fine
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:37 PM   #29
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in your rationality thought process though why would you need 200GB disc and the higher bitrate then? i have honestly not seen or heard a difference in any movie i used to own on hddvd that i now own on bluray
again i sold off all of my hddvds i am all bluray... i'm just not as all gunhoe about the whole thing as others i see lol.
to me it's about the units and software sold... i was pissed though because i decided to go bluray exclusive 1 week before the paramount fiasco but i am over it. if the numbers stay the same we'll be fine

Why not? even if it didn't do ANYTHING then at least the 200GB capability would be there, all things being equal. But in reality, the 200GB option has a TON of benefits. We've already seen what a lack of storage capacity can do with Transformers on HD-DVD not having the space for a full HD soundtrack. Maybe that's not a big deal for everyone, but Blu-ray would not have had that issue. In the future they will need more and more space to do the things they want to do. Why not have a full trilogy on 1 disc? I am sure developers can always think of unique and interesting ways to use the extra space.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that Blu-ray has far more future potential, HD-DVD can't really go any further than it is right now... why support that when you can have betteR?

I dunno, I don't want to sound like a zealot or anything, but I keep hearing people say that the formats look and sound nearly identical, so it doesn't matter... I just don't understand why people would say that if they really believe they do look and sound identical...

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Old 09-08-2007, 03:38 PM   #30
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in your rationality thought process though why would you need 200GB disc and the higher bitrate then? i have honestly not seen or heard a difference in any movie i used to own on hddvd that i now own on bluray
again i sold off all of my hddvds i am all bluray... i'm just not as all gunhoe about the whole thing as others i see lol.
to me it's about the units and software sold... i was pissed though because i decided to go bluray exclusive 1 week before the paramount fiasco but i am over it. if the numbers stay the same we'll be fine
Men come on, can you imagine the possibilities of a 200GB disc ?
what about uncompressed Video or instead of 7.1 uncompressed audio something like 11.2 with (i know you'll like it) PIP of different angles of the Movie at the same time ? with DTS-MA at 192khz and 24bit

Sky is the limit... Go Blu...
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:40 PM   #31
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Men come on, can you imagine the possibilities of a 200GB disc ?
what about uncompressed Video or instead of 7.1 uncompressed audio something like 11.2 with (i know you'll like it) PIP of different angles of the Movie at the same time ? with DTS-MA at 192khz and 24bit

Sky is the limit... Go Blu...
wow i would think i was dreaming... the disk would be able to do it but do they have a player or processor that can do all that at once? lol
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:41 PM   #32
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Why not have a full trilogy on 1 disc? I am sure developers can always think of unique and interesting ways to use the extra space.
Damn you hit the jackpot... imagine all my Dragonball Z saga on just 1 disc whoooo, or a PS3 Game or the Simpsons seasons (like 4) in 1 disc ???

or the Spidermans, perhaps the Pirates or the DieHards the Matrixes (well get them) or the Whole batman stuff in just 1 disc... Damn would be nice

Go Blu...
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:44 PM   #33
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wow i would think i was dreaming... the disk would be able to do it but do they have a player or processor that can do all that at once? lol
well technically (im a geek) and its not about the Hardware its just that the lens have to read faster and with HDMI 1.3a theres room for more than that... Facts are there
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Old 09-08-2007, 04:02 PM   #34
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well technically (im a geek) and its not about the Hardware its just that the lens have to read faster and with HDMI 1.3a theres room for more than that... Facts are there
yeah but without a processor that could handle that and a cooling station to keep the box from overheating it would be in ruins lol
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in your rationality thought process though why would you need 200GB disc and the higher bitrate then? i have honestly not seen or heard a difference in any movie i used to own on hddvd that i now own on bluray
again i sold off all of my hddvds i am all bluray... i'm just not as all gunhoe about the whole thing as others i see lol.
to me it's about the units and software sold... i was pissed though because i decided to go bluray exclusive 1 week before the paramount fiasco but i am over it. if the numbers stay the same we'll be fine
I'm going to be honest and say; I have never seen an HD DVD because Best Buy doesn't have it set up. (neither one of the two in my area)

I chose blu for 1 obvious reason:

Up until the paramount/dreamworks announcement, there was one Major Studio supporting HD DVD. I can't understand how anyone in their right mind would choose a format with one major studio behind it. I blame those ignorant people for this war. If they look and sound the same, WHY WOULD ANYONE PICK HD DVD? (of course that is previous to 2 weeks ago)
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Old 09-08-2007, 04:10 PM   #36
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Why not? even if it didn't do ANYTHING then at least the 200GB capability would be there, all things being equal. But in reality, the 200GB option has a TON of benefits. We've already seen what a lack of storage capacity can do with Transformers on HD-DVD not having the space for a full HD soundtrack. Maybe that's not a big deal for everyone, but Blu-ray would not have had that issue. In the future they will need more and more space to do the things they want to do. Why not have a full trilogy on 1 disc? I am sure developers can always think of unique and interesting ways to use the extra space.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that Blu-ray has far more future potential, HD-DVD can't really go any further than it is right now... why support that when you can have betteR?

I dunno, I don't want to sound like a zealot or anything, but I keep hearing people say that the formats look and sound nearly identical, so it doesn't matter... I just don't understand why people would say that if they really believe they do look and sound identical...
Easy on the 200GB disk talk.
From everything I've read all current players will not be able to read them.
Why give another point of conversation when the 200GB disk is really meant for the PC market.
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Easy on the 200GB disk talk.
From everything I've read all current players will not be able to read them.
Why give another point of conversation when the 200GB disk is really meant for the PC market.

Whether or not it's even playable with current generation players isn't even the point really. It's just further proof that Blu-ray has a future and HD-DVD does not.
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Whether or not it's even playable with current generation players isn't even the point really. It's just further proof that Blu-ray has a future and HD-DVD does not.
Point taken.
Bluray is going to kill in the PC market where above all else, too much is never enough.
That will not help HD-DVD.
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Old 09-08-2007, 04:16 PM   #39
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yeah but without a processor that could handle that and a cooling station to keep the box from overheating it would be in ruins lol
My gosh you are thought to convince... if you want to run Windows XP on a Pentium III you still can even do WinXP its better on Pentium 4 its not about hardware (it already can do much more than we can expect) its about software and Firmware Like USB 1.0 to 2.0 just a software update with winxp SP2 and the connection could go to 480 Mbps.

You know something, the movies wont play any faster...perhaps you can go to wikipedia and search for HDMI 1.3a and the actual Bandwith that right now Blu-ray has.

My gosh dont try to convince yourself in what you already know... learn from the real facts and Geeks (like Wikipedia) and dont be stuborn (sorry) but be humble we can all learn from others (i learn a lot from little kids)... Go Blu..
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I'm going to be honest and say; I have never seen an HD DVD because Best Buy doesn't have it set up. (neither one of the two in my area)

I chose blu for 1 obvious reason:

Up until the paramount/dreamworks announcement, there was one Major Studio supporting HD DVD. I can't understand how anyone in their right mind would choose a format with one major studio behind it. I blame those ignorant people for this war. If they look and sound the same, WHY WOULD ANYONE PICK HD DVD? (of course that is previous to 2 weeks ago)
i'll tell you my reason for initially picking hddvd...
It's because the disk are and will be completely region free, bluray will be region coded into 3 or 4 different regions once 1.1 is installed.
you can already get a lot of bluray exclusive movies on hddvd from imports.
I love universal, warner, and paramount/dreamworks films, more than Fox, Sony or Disney Films. When i first heard of both highdef formats, all Universal, Warner and Paramount were hddvd exclusive so i thought that was how it was going to be... none of this neutral stuff.
And once i saw they looked and sounded the same it was price.

those were my 4 main reason for going with hddvd at first i didn't even know about the HDi part it was just an added bonus when i first decided
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