Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You did not specifically say that "discs are dying" this time, but you most certainly have said it countless times before and you know it. You live for the day when you can say that in the past tense because you so very much want to gloat about it.

The Media Play News Revenue Report that you keep referencing never says one damn thing about profit margins.

It only shows the average price that consumers paid for DVDs and Blu-rays and with blu-rays all three types, regular blu-ray, 3D blu-ray, and Ultra HD blu-ray are all lumped together. Media Play News does not offer average consumer price paid information for each individual type of blu-ray and they never have.

Media Play News shows how much revenue DVDs and Blu-rays (all three types combined) generated in a given week. Again, nothing is EVER said about profit margins. Revenue is not even remotely the same thing as profit.

The Media Play News weekly report does show the format market share of three disc formats (DVD, Blu-ray, and UHD) for any given week, but again nothing is said about profit margins for any of them.

You are seeing what you want to see and not what is actually being reported as you always do.

I haven't said "Discs are Dying" in years because it's against The Rules and you guys turn me in and get me Banned. So I try to walk the Thin Line.

As for the Revenue Report no it doesn't show Profit Margin the Studios are very tight with that information. So I Interpolate the information given. The Average BD Cost is now up to almost $23, and if the MSRP is from $25-$35 for 4K UHD then the Profit Margin should be in that Range. The Studios come up with those prices to give them the Profit Margin they are looking for. If the Selling Price comes down then you have to Surmise that the Profit Margin was not met.

The Revenue Report shows DVD's and BD sell for their Price Range, telling me their Profit Margin are being Met!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I haven't said "Discs are Dying" in years because it's against The Rules and you guys turn me in and get me Banned. So I try to walk the Thin Line.

As for the Revenue Report no it doesn't show Profit Margin the Studios are very tight with that information. So I Interpolate the information given. The Average BD Cost is now up to almost $23, and if the MSRP is from $25-$35 for 4K UHD then the Profit Margin should be in that Range. The Studios come up with those prices to give them the Profit Margin they are looking for. If the Selling Price comes down then you have to Surmise that the Profit Margin was not meat.

The Revenue Report shows DVD's and BD sell for their Price Range, telling me their Profit Margin are being Meat!

Other people do not get you banned. You do that to yourself. Take responsibility for your own actions already and grow the hell up.

I have been banned about three times and each time I did it to myself. I do not blame anyone else; I take full responsibility. It's what an adult does. Try being one sometime.

You do not "interpolate" anything. In order to interpolate you have to have a basis upon which to do so and you have none. Media Play News provides no information about profit margins, or manufacturing costs, whatsoever. That $22.76 figure from Media Play News is NOT the average cost to make a blu-ray; it is the average cost to the consumer when buying a blu-ray. You can't even read their report correctly much less "interpolate" anything from it.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/resear...-ended-9-2-23/

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

you have to Surmise that the Profit Margin was not meat.

What a relief for vegetarians!

Originally Posted by alchav21

telling me their Profit Margin are being Meat!

You shouldn't tease vegetarians like that with your contradictions. You even capitalized it to spice rub it in!

[PenguinInfinity]

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

What a relief for vegetarians!



You shouldn't tease vegetarians like that with your contradictions. You even capitalized it to spice rub it in!

You would think alchav has a steak in digital, the way he goes on. What is his beef?

[Wendell R. Breland]

For Western fans, watched my new copy of Shoot Out last night. Looked pretty good for an old title.




From the Digital Bits:

They’ve also set John Boorman’s The Emerald Forest (1985) for release on Blu-ray on 11/28

Will procure this version and see if KLS does a better job on the transfer.

[russweiss1]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Other people do not get you banned. You do that to yourself. Take responsibility for your own actions already and grow the hell up.

I have been banned about three times and each time I did it to myself. I do not blame anyone else; I take full responsibility. It's what an adult does. Try being one sometime.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/resear...-ended-9-2-23/

I was banned one time and I don't feel it was my fault. The ban was due to providing links to other site's blu-ray reviews. This is something I did for well over a year and never heard anyone, mod or member, say it was not allowed. I looked in the FAQ and couldn't find anything against it either. I thought it was kind of ridiculous considering this is a movie forum and I figured it's main purpose was to share information with other members.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by russweiss1

I was banned one time and I don't feel it was my fault. The ban was due to providing links to other site's blu-ray reviews. This is something I did for well over a year and never heard anyone, mod or member, say it was not allowed. I looked in the FAQ and couldn't find anything against it either. I thought it was kind of ridiculous considering this is a movie forum and I figured it's main purpose was to share information with other members.

I am unaware of your situation, but had it happened to me I would have asked one of the moderators to explain the decision to me.

I bet you never posted a comment blaming your fellow forum members for what happened, either.

The person that I was replying to above knew that he was breaking the rules; he admits it in the first sentence of his post and then he blames others for the consequences of his own actions.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by russweiss1

I was banned one time and I don't feel it was my fault.

If you were always linking to the same site then it may have looked like you were promoting that site. Once in a while I will link to High Def Digest, The Digital Bits and other sites for a review for a specific title we may be discussing. I don't believe that should cause a problem but I will ask the mods for a ruling.

On the rare occasion were I want to do a poll or contest I provide my intentions to a moderator before hand and ask for a ruling.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

My Digital Collection is on Vudu, but also can watch on Amazon Prime and MA. When I buy it's 4k UHD Digital.

Just a FYI, on titles I have tested MA had the best video data rates by a fair amount. These were UHD-SDR titles. The audio was almost as good as the best. Amazon audio was the pits.

The last time I checked Google Play was not anything to brag about, have not tested Microsoft Movies & TV.

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[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

If you were always linking to the same site then it may have looked like you were promoting that site. Once in a while I will link to High Def Digest, The Digital Bits and other sites for a review for a specific title we may be discussing. I don't believe that should cause a problem but I will ask the mods for a ruling.

On the rare occasion were I want to do a poll or contest I provide my intentions to a moderator before hand and ask for a ruling.

I was uncertain if it would be okay to post about my medical situation, so I asked a moderator beforehand and I was given permission to do so. Even with that permission, I place my comments behind spoilers so that only those who are interested will see them.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just a FYI, on titles I have tested MA had the best video data rates by a fair amount. These were UHD-SDR titles. The audio was almost as good as the best. Amazon audio was the pits.

The last time I checked Google Play was not anything to brag about, have not tested Microsoft Movies & TV.

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In my curiosity, several years back, I checked out Google play HD movie and then checked the same movie on YouTube. The film actually looked better via YouTube movies!

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You do not "interpolate" anything. In order to interpolate you have to have a basis upon which to do so and you have none. Media Play News provides no information about profit margins, or manufacturing costs, whatsoever. That $22.76 figure from Media Play News is NOT the average cost to make a blu-ray; it is the average cost to the consumer when buying a blu-ray. You can't even read their report correctly much less "interpolate" anything from it.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/resear...-ended-9-2-23/

I know it's the Average Cost that BD are selling, and that is what I base my information. It goes up and down and if it gets to around $25 then maybe Profit Margins for 4K UHD will be met!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I know it's the Average Cost that BD are selling, and that is what I base my information. It goes up and down and if it gets to around $25 then maybe Profit Margins for 4K UHD will be met!

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, that the fact that we are getting so many more 4K UHD disc announcements that 4K UHD discs are actually profitable? Does it not seem even remotely feasible to you that the studios are releasing more 4K UHD discs because they actually make a profit off of them? Do you think that might be the reason that we are getting more product and not less? Is that in the realm of possibility? Is that a plausible explanation for this curious phenomena of ever more product hitting the market?

Ponder that with your powers of interpolation and get back to us. We will be waiting with baited breath for your shrewd analysis.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just a FYI, on titles I have tested MA had the best video data rates by a fair amount. These were UHD-SDR titles. The audio was almost as good as the best. Amazon audio was the pits.

The last time I checked Google Play was not anything to brag about, have not tested Microsoft Movies & TV.

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A clarification, the titles mentioned are UHD titles and may be HDR10 or Dolby Vision but only play as UHD-SDR on my system.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

The 4k Blu-ray sets of the Disney+ shows have been removed entirely from Disney Movie Club and the Blu-ray sets are no longer eligible for any discounts. I joined again specifically to get discounts on those sets but they've pulled a bait-and-switch.

I certainly won't ever join Disney Movie Club again.

Well that sucks! I'm sorry that you got stuck in that situation. I'd be ROYALLY pissed, too.

I guess I'll wait and see if they fix that eventually (get more stock on the 4Ks and allow them all to apply for the discounts). Or see what kind of sales these go on.

I wish they had standard packaging variants of these at least for a somewhat lower cost. While I have collected Steelbooks in the past, in general I'm less concerned about specific packaging these days. Between these being Steelbooks and the BDs and 4K discs being sold separately (and not in a combo pack - with me wanting both formats), it is making these a rather expensive proposition.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Have asked David Mackenzie of Fidelity in Motion if he would post a comment about the manufacturing cost of Blu-ray and UHD Blu-ray. Please do not make me regret doing so.

[russweiss1]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I am unaware of your situation, but had it happened to me I would have asked one of the moderators to explain the decision to me.

I bet you never posted a comment blaming your fellow forum members for what happened, either.

The person that I was replying to above knew that he was breaking the rules; he admits it in the first sentence of his post and then he blames others for the consequences of his own actions.

You are correct. I didn't blame anyone (except perhaps whichever moderator actually instituted the ban). I do feel it's unfortunate that there isn't an appeals process for bans.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

If you were always linking to the same site then it may have looked like you were promoting that site. Once in a while I will link to High Def Digest, The Digital Bits and other sites for a review for a specific title we may be discussing. I don't believe that should cause a problem but I will ask the mods for a ruling.

On the rare occasion were I want to do a poll or contest I provide my intentions to a moderator before hand and ask for a ruling.

On Fridays I look at various review sites and when there is a title of interest I posted the link to the appropriate thread on the forum. As mentioned I had been doing this for over a year before I received the ban without any warnings. The ban said "kindly advertise other sites' reviews elsewhere." I only posted the reviews one time and didn't spam them on multiple threads.

[t-mel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just a FYI, on titles I have tested MA had the best video data rates by a fair amount. These were UHD-SDR titles. The audio was almost as good as the best. Amazon audio was the pits.

The last time I checked Google Play was not anything to brag about, have not tested Microsoft Movies & TV.

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Wow, there goes the claim that iTunes video bitrates are a large fraction of a disc. This video

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video

compared the Batman on different services and also included Max. It had a slightly different average for the VUDU video (14Mbps).

Considering how dark The Batman is I can't imagine it looks very impressive on the services but perhaps the compression is very good these days.

[RevolverOcelScott]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, that the fact that we are getting so many more 4K UHD disc announcements that 4K UHD discs are actually profitable? Does it not seem even remotely feasible to you that the studios are releasing more 4K UHD discs because they actually make a profit off of them? Do you think that might be the reason that we are getting more product and not less? Is that in the realm of possibility? Is that a plausible explanation for this curious phenomena of ever more product hitting the market?

Ponder that with your powers of interpolation and get back to us. We will be waiting with baited breath for your shrewd analysis.

I had this same argument in the There Will Be Blood 4K thread. A doom-and-gloomer insisting any day now physical media is going to be dead.

I stated a similar thing to what you said and they said the 50+ titles I had preordered from September and October alone said otherwise. People just seem to want physical media dead so bad they'll just keep saying each year how this is the end, and so on.