Sleepy Hollow 4K UHD (1999)

[sojrner]

Originally Posted by Count Orlok

I use those slipcase style protectors too, but mostly for UK releases with the thicker slipcover, as my polybags for US releases won't fit them. For everything else, that'll fit, I use the fully enclosed type. I've never had an issue with Steelbooks and J cards.

[Show spoiler]I'd love them to be available for digibooks, but their sizes are too various.

My Sleepy Hollow SB fits perfectly without being too tight or loose. The only difference is that Sleepy Hollow is a bit weighty.

Here's SH (W/ J card), Three Ages (UK thick case with slip), and The Exorcist (W/ J card). Three different types of packaging, but all fit perfectly in their enclosed cases without without issue.

Thanks for confirming what I assumed about those boxes. Not sure why the other was saying it didn't fit. There's more than enough room.

[acopola]

I have watched the new 4K disc and found that the HDR makes the picture so dark in some scenes, that it caused black crush and harder to make out the extra detail. Plus it gives the film a more processed look making the image slightly softer.

Another thing I noticed with HDR is that in the beginning when the horseman gets shot and his horse is dying, I can see digital purple artefacts in his hair. Turn off HDR and his hair is black.

I then disabled HDR in my player, and all the crush in dark scenes disappeared as well as artefacts caused by HDR. By disabling HDR, the film looks like a 35mm brand new print and to my eyes looks better. Meaning more like a natural 4K transfer.

This film was not made with HDR in mind. Something like Wednesday looks amazing in HDR because it was part of the process.

All I say, try watching the film with HDR turned off and see what a difference it makes!

[gates70]

Originally Posted by acopola

I have watched the new 4K disc and found that the HDR makes the picture so dark in some scenes, that it caused black crush and harder to make out the extra detail. Plus it gives the film a more processed look making the image slightly softer.

I then disabled HDR in my player, and all the crush in dark scenes disappeared. By disabling HDR, the film looks like a 35mm brand new print and to my eyes looks better. Meaning more like a natural 4K transfer.

This film was not made with HDR in mind. Something like Wednesday looks amazing in HDR because it was part of the process.

All I say, try watching the film with HDR turned off and see what a difference it makes!

It's just that your TV doesn't process HDR correctly. Looks beautiful here and not too dark.

[acopola]

On newer films like The Batman or the Netflix Wednesday series, HDR looks amazing on my tv. But with something like Sleepy Hollow perhaps the peak brightness on my model is insufficient to bring out HDR's full potential.

[Surge92]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyGnome

LOL there is no way I am paying over the normal price for this lol. I'll watch this once and then probably not for another ten years. I don't understand the people that wait on this, pay 90, and then act like this is all that could have been done. Why did you not preorder this lol? And then when it comes back into print again? Just give a stripper that money good lord.

Unbreakable steel I want too. I had the chance to get it at Best Buy but it was damaged or I was too cheap can't remember. But it's like 60 now after tax. That's just too much I think. Cool film just like this one, but one that I will probably watch once every ten years.

I didn't pre-order it because, when possible, I prefer to handpick the movies I buy. The problem is that I completely forgot the 4K was coming out on the 5th, and when I realized it two days later, the steelbook was virtually sold out at all the Best Buys near me. I don't have any regrets, though, especially since I didn't have to cough up the money all at once. The steelbook arrived today, by the way, in mint condition, so I'm a happy camper.

As a side note, I got the Unbreakable 4K steelbook when it first came out, so I didn't spend a fortune on that one.

[acopola]

Originally Posted by The Rider

I can't understand why DNR is still used in times of 4K. The 4K scan makes the film grain much finer, and unless a rough extreme grainy film stock is used, there is no need for it. In addition, instead of DNR, the industry should invent an algorithm like Lowry Digital's moving-out pattern tool. There, the fine details could still be preserved. It's a shame what Paramount has done here again, as it did with Forrest Gump and To Catch a Thief.

I turned off the HDR on my player and the film looks better. More like the color timing of the original blu ray. HDR introduces black crush making it hard to see finer details in low light scenes.

HDR is great for new films, but old films look more artificially processed.

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by acopola

I turned off the HDR on my player and the film looks better. More like the color timing of the original blu ray. HDR introduces black crush making it hard to see finer details in low light scenes.

HDR is great for new films, but old films look more artificially processed.

None of this is true beyond the confines of your own setup.

You can get away with low peak brightness in a HDR TV in giving an approximation of a decent HDR image, but that makes it utterly vital it has good tone mapping to compensate. Which, ya know, cheap LED TVs with edge lighting, milky blacks and low peak brightness tend not to have.

Basically, it's your setup crushing blacks, not HDR.

[Mierzwiak]

I skipped through it yesterday and I'm sooo NOT impressed with this UHD.

[acopola]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

None of this is true beyond the confines of your own setup.

You can get away with low peak brightness in a HDR TV in giving an approximation of a decent HDR image, but that makes it utterly vital it has good tone mapping to compensate. Which, ya know, cheap LED TVs with edge lighting, milky blacks and low peak brightness tend not to have.

Basically, it's your setup crushing blacks, not HDR.

However, some professional reviewers also mentioned black crush. Another problem is that my Panasonic player only does HDR10 which means I can't take advantage of Dolby Vision.

But on other modern films with HDR, I don't get black crush. At least with HDR turned off the film looks excellent and like 35mm. The 4K transfer is beautiful and I see an upgrade even without HDR

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

I skipped through it yesterday and I'm sooo NOT impressed with this UHD.

You're alone there, buddy.

[Medality]

Originally Posted by acopola

However, some professional reviewers also mentioned black crush. Another problem is that my Panasonic player only does HDR10 which means I can't take advantage of Dolby Vision.

But on other modern films with HDR, I don't get black crush. At least with HDR turned off the film looks excellent and like 35mm

You know that you can't "turn off" HDR, do you? What you're doing essentially is to tell your player that you want it to do the tone mapping into SDR space.
If you don't have black crush doing so, it means the data is actually there in HDR. It's just your display that's not doing the tone mapping properly in that case, and you're getting better results when the player does it instead.

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by acopola

However, some professional reviewers also mentioned black crush. Another problem is that my Panasonic player only does HDR10 which means I can't take advantage of Dolby Vision.

But on other modern films with HDR, I don't get black crush. At least with HDR turned off the film looks excellent and like 35mm

HDR turned on won't suddenly make all the black implode in on themselves. Turning HDR off means your player is doing the convert/mapping to SDR (HDR10 is not an extension like DV). So if HDR had screwed the blacks, they'd still be screwed if you converted to SDR. That fact they are not tells you the HDR10 layer is not at fault.

Basically, your TV isn't up the task. Admit it instead of blaming everything else. That modern stuff looks fine on it is more good luck than design.

[acopola]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

HDR turned on won't suddenly make all the black implode in on themselves. Turning HDR off means your player is doing the convert/mapping to SDR (HDR10 is not an extension like DV). So if HDR had screwed the blacks, they'd still be screwed if you converted to SDR. That fact they are not tells you the HDR10 layer is not at fault.

Basically, your TV isn't up the task. Admit it instead of blaming everything else. That modern stuff looks fine on it is more good luck than design.

So what you are saying is that you have to have a high end TV to enjoy HDR. That is a bit elitist And no, my blacks are not crushed with HDR turned off.

Unless you have seen my setup, how can you make a blanket assumption. And why have some reviews mentioned black crush? So it isn't just me.

[Bostonyte]

Originally Posted by acopola

So what you are saying is that you have to have a high end TV to enjoy HDR. That is a bit elitist And no, my blacks are not crushed with HDR turned off.

Unless you have seen my setup, how can you make a blanket assumption. And why have some reviews mentioned black crush? So it isn't just me.

I'm curious, what make and model is your display?

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by acopola

So what you are saying is that you have to have a high end TV to enjoy HDR. That is a bit elitist And no, my blacks are not crushed with HDR turned off.

That is your assumption. I do have a high end TV as my main screen that is true, but also have an entry level Panasonic 4K LED in my loft. I chose that one because despite it's LED lighting, no dimming and low peak brightness, it does have good tone mapping. So you can watch HDR on it and it still looks good, even if it doesn't wow without bright peaks or a wide gamut.

You can enjoy HDR on a budget, but you need to do a bit of research first and make sure you are getting one that can actually make a reasonable stab at HDR from any source. When you buy a TV on a budget and have to make compromises, the quality of the tone mapping becomes essential. Too many TVs are sold as HDR when they are anything but. This forum is littered with posts from users saying HDR is too dark, etc. Because they've made a mistake in their choice of TV and won't admit it to themselves. It's true that HDR can give a darker look, but that means more detail within the darker bits, not crush.

The fact it isn't crushed with HDR "off" proves my point. HDR10 on disc isn't a HDR pass on top of a SDR base layer. To turn HDR off, what you are doing is forcing the player to convert that HDR10 to SDR output. So with no crushed blacks that proves our point, that the HDR itself is not crushed but your display capabilities and/or it's settings in HDR mode are the cause.

Originally Posted by acopola

Unless you have seen my setup, how can you make a blanket assumption. And why have some reviews mentioned black crush? So it isn't just me.

I love that you say that with no trace of irony. Aren't you making a blanket assumption based on nothing but your own HDR experience, which is on a TV not up to the task?

Links to these reviews please - it'd be interesting to read what their opinions are based on.

[veyron]

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[Kyle15]

And not only TV choice but TV calibration plays a part. If your HDR looks particularly cooked something is wrong with your set, calibration, or both!

[acopola]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

That is your assumption. I do have a high end TV as my main screen that is true, but also have an entry level Panasonic 4K LED in my loft. I chose that one because despite it's LED lighting, no dimming and low peak brightness, it does have good tone mapping. So you can watch HDR on it and it still looks good, even if it doesn't wow without bright peaks or a wide gamut.

You can enjoy HDR on a budget, but you need to do a bit of research first and make sure you are getting one that can actually make a reasonable stab at HDR from any source. When you buy a TV on a budget and have to make compromises, the quality of the tone mapping becomes essential. Too many TVs are sold as HDR when they are anything but. This forum is littered with posts from users saying HDR is too dark, etc. Because they've made a mistake in their choice of TV and won't admit it to themselves. It's true that HDR can give a darker look, but that means more detail within the darker bits, not crush.

The fact it isn't crushed with HDR "off" proves my point. HDR10 on disc isn't a HDR pass on top of a SDR base layer. To turn HDR off, what you are doing is forcing the player to convert that HDR10 to SDR output. So with no crushed blacks that proves our point, that the HDR itself is not crushed but your display capabilities and/or it's settings in HDR mode are the cause.



I love that you say that with no trace of irony. Aren't you making a blanket assumption based on nothing but your own HDR experience, which is on a TV not up to the task?

Links to these reviews please - it'd be interesting to read what their opinions are based on.

Here is a link to this very sites own review. It mentions black crush. I have a Philips 4K TV set to HDR Movie. I would love to have a flagship TV, because maybe HDR would be less problematic for films that have a darker look.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Sleep...ld%20Blu%2Dray.

[klauswhereareyou]

Got this from Best Buy on-line the other day and the slip was mangled near the edges and they put some sort of sticker on it that I slowly peeled off but ripped a big chunk of the foil cover over the middle. No big deal for me, but slip cover nuts be warned if you're getting this from Best Buy.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

Got this from Best Buy on-line the other day and the slip was mangled near the edges and they put some sort of sticker on it that I slowly peeled off but ripped a big chunk of the foil cover over the middle. No big deal for me, but slip cover nuts be warned if you're getting this from Best Buy.

Yep, the same thing happened to mine. It doesn't matter to me thankfully.