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Originally Posted by bhampton
I'm waiting for Vudu to decide it needs a few ad breaks for purchased content.
That will be an interesting day.
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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if something like that happens eventually with "purchased" - aka extended licensed/rented - content through Vudu and other providers akin to it (at minimum running a couple of ads before the movie starts or something like that).
To be clear, I would be PISSED about it, but it wouldn't surprise me.
The reason I say this is because if you have any movies digitally through any of these services (whether you bought them directly from the services, only redeemed digital codes, or whatever the case may be), it costs the services money to keep hosting them and allowing people to continue to rewatch them over and over.
So if someone has some movies on there, watch them fairly regularly, but rarely if ever do they make any additional "purchases," then Vudu (or whatever service) is no longer making any money off of that person, and eventually they start to cost the service money.
If enough people fall under this pattern (perhaps after "buying" all of their favorite movies that the service offers, only adding one on occasion here and there when one pops up, and perhaps waiting for sales when they do, if adding any at all), then it could potentially have an impact on these the viability of these services to continue.
Let me put it this way - even before streaming was any kind of major competition to physical media, after the DVD format reached its all time sales high around 2005, sales were already gradually declining.
At that point (since streaming hadn't really caught on yet) it wasn't because the "average joe" gave up on physical media. It was because they had already purchased many of their favorite catalog titles. So naturally the rate at which they bought additional titles gradually slowed down. They still likely added newer movies to their collection, or newly released catalog titles, as it suited them, but even if streaming (or any other major competition) had never come along, some degree of sales decline was inevitable. That is because they wouldn't need to buy movies again that they already had (especially those who don't pay attention to or care about buying the same movie again for a new transfer, new bonus features, or because it is now on a newer/better format).
The same likely holds true for these services that sell movies digitally (each of which are a one time purchase) that are then streamed over and over again.
But the difference is that when people buy a disc and then rewatch it over the course of several years, it is not actually costing the studio or the store that they bought the disc from any additional money for them to simply rewatch it. The studio and store may not be making any more money off of them for watching that title, but they also are not literally losing money when it is rewatched. Heck, whether the disc is still in print and whether the store the disc was purchased from is even still in business doesn't really matter in terms of watching it, as none of that effects the ability to watch the disc that someone already has.
But being able to continue watching/steaming previously "purchased" content very much relies on the service continuing to be in business, still hosting that content, and that content not being pulled from the service for any reason. But continuing to host it and allowing it to be streamed over and over does cost money. So it's one of the reasons why I refuse to put my collection in an all digital "basket." I don't mind redeeming codes, but I'm not going to make full priced "purchases" through them.
But if it gets to a point where new/additional purchases slow down enough and they need to find a way to stay in business and pay for the cost to continue hosting all of that content, it wouldn't surprise me for adds to be implemented in some way (that or charging people some kind of "maintenance fee" to continue having access to their movies and TV shows).
And while that is arguably better than losing access to everything, it is still a really shitty proposition, and one we shouldn't be forced to make.
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Originally Posted by alchav21
The Key Word is After, but just like Streaming the Studios can do anything they want. Remember it's all Digital and the Studios can do anything just like Streaming!
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This makes no sense at all. Do you even bother putting minimal thought into this bullshit before you actually type it out and post it?
if the key word is "AFTER," then the difference is that a streaming service that you've been using for some time can change anything about the content you've been watching... the availability of the content on the service, the price you pay to access it, the transfer of the movie (which changing it out may result in a newer better transfer, or a new one that has been really botched with DNR and other types of processing techniques that do more harm than good), inserting ads into the middle of content that you previously watched ad-free, and even editing down a movie or TV episode (or flat out removing it) if something about it is now deemed "offensive" by the constantly changing "modern standards" that some people come up with and push these days.
But AFTER I buy a disc, they can't change any of that. The content is on the disc as-is, and they cannot take that away. The only ads that I have to deal with would be any trailers that are on the disc in the first place. And they won't show up in the middle of the movie.
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Originally Posted by alchav21
Not the ones you have, but the new ones that have not come out. Digital, Disc, it's all Digital!
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This statement is even dumber than the last one. For one thing, since the discs aren't released yet, this would not fall under the key word of "after," because currently we are still in the time BEFORE future discs are even released. But on the topic of future discs...
They aren't going to make discs in which ads run during the middle of a movie or TV show. Any trailers/ads/etc will be at the start of the disc, and in most cases can be skipped or fast forwarded through. And if some stupid company decided to make discs with ads in the middle of the main content, I and most others would avoid buying them like a plague. (And once again, this does not effect discs that we ALREADY OWN).
Secondly, what the hell does anything being digital have to do with it? Technically, if they had wanted to, back in the VHS days (which was an analog -aka NON-digital - format), they actually did have trailers and ads at the start of the tape before the movie, and IF they had wanted to, they could have put ads in the middle of the movie (people would have complained loudly about it, but it was technically possible).
I really don't care who I upset with what I'm about to say, but I'm going to say it anyway...
A while back you were banned from this thread. I hadn't even heard of someone being banned from only a specific thread (as opposed to the forum as a whole) until the topic came up in another thread.
Some members who frequent this thread were posting there and saying that despite disagreeing with a lot of the nonsense you post, they would vote to have you come back.
I ultimately did agree with them and "casted my vote" for your return, though I did so after writing a detailed post explaining that I can see why a mod made that decision, given the ridiculousness and frankly (be it intentionally or unintentionally) almost troll-like nature of a lot of what you post.
But when I read something as blatantly absurd as these posts of yours that I have quoted and am responding to here, it really makes me rethink that and wish you were still banned if you aren't going to put anything resembling rational thought into what you post.
I mean seriously, what are you hoping to accomplish here? Are you just posting this BS to annoy people? I find it hard to believe that a grown adult (a retired one at that) who has even a minimal amount of knowledge about the topics being discussed can, in an honest and serious manner, post the nonsense that you often do. It's one thing to have a differing opinion, but you don't even have basic facts straight (which is required in order to properly form an opinion about those facts). Heck, for YEARS now people in this very thread have explained to you ad nauseam how this stuff works and what is wrong with what you post from a factual standpoint, but you continue to say the same stupid crap over and over, and somehow (when it seems like things can't possibly get any worse) still manage to top yourself repeatedly with just how ridiculous your statements get.
While I may disagree with them, I have no problem with people on the pro-streaming side of things coming here and making a well reasoned argument. I may disagree with them (things may even get heated in a more intense discussion), and neither they nor I will likely change the other's mind in a significant way, but an overall well reasoned discussion can still be had.
But that's not what we have with you. We have the same repeated nonsense that just keeps escalating to new, more ridiculous heights as time goes on.
You bring nothing of substance to this thread. Heck a page or so back, one person, very jokingly, made reference to your typical ridiculous "It's all digital!" statements, only for you, just a few posts later, to say it again in a serious manner. The lack of self awareness and any attempt to learn basic facts is astounding.
And I'm going to say this now, if others still prefer having you here, that is fine, they are free to have that opinion. And I respect many of them despite this potential (and likely) point of disagreement. But at this point I have no respect for you what-so-ever, I would have no problem with you being banned from this thread again (and frankly I hope for it to happen), and regardless of how much what I'm saying here may upset you and/or them, there will be NO scenario where I apologize for saying it. It is simply what needs to be said as far as I am concerned.
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