Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Nah - you just refuse to accept the results because it's something you personally don't do.

If I were to respond to the survey I would check the following:

Smartphone
Laptop
Tablet
Gaming Console
Desktop PC

Please explain to me how you can get an accurate representation of my viewing habits from that response.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

If I were to respond to the survey I would check the following:

Smartphone
Laptop
Tablet
Gaming Console
Desktop PC

Please explain to me how you can get an accurate representation of my viewing habits from that response.

I agree.

It just means all of those are used to some extent or another. It doesn't give any indication of which one someone uses the most if they choose more than one option.



For example, for me.... Do I watch videos on my phone regularly? No. But have I used it on occasion for that purpose? Yes (usually if watching a quick Youtube video when I can't be near a more preferred device and I have reason to want to watch it at that time, or if showing something to someone else when, again, another more preferred device is not available). But it would be much less than 1% of my overall viewing.

Now, I'm sure there are other people who spend a lot more time on their phones for that sort of thing. I'm not denying that. It makes sense for smart phones to have such a large representation on this since most people have them and take them everywhere they go. But this chart doesn't give us any indication of what the average percents of someone's actual use each device takes up. It only indicates that they do use them.

And as you pointed out, a Smart TV, a game console, or a dedicated streaming device all would at least largely suggest use on an actual TV.

To a far lesser extent, and admittedly probably a rare exception in the grand scheme of things, even people using a desktop computer or a laptop can connect those to a TV and watch that way if they so choose.

The point is that this is a study that, while technically accurate within the context of how it collected and presents the data, doesn't give us any real indication of which devices are actually used the most overall in terms of viewing time or viewing percentage (which would also be two different things.... because someone could spend a lot more time than someone else watching streaming content, while also having the percentages break down different between various devices).

In other words, whether it is intentional or not on the part of those who conducted the study (though I highly suspect is very intentional on the part of Lee A Stewart presenting this as a counter argument in this thread), at a glance this chart would make people think and assume that by default there is a lot more actual total time being spent viewing streaming content on smart phones. But that cannot be determined with any degree of accuracy from this study.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by t-mel

It doesn't add up to 100%

(just posting this for a bit of humor)...

SNL Weekend Update w/ Norm Macdonald: Women Drivers (HQ) - YouTube

[Lee A Stewart]

They asked 8,858 people "Which devices do you use to watch digital video content."

Multiple choice accepted.

So more responded they use their smart phone (68%) then they used their tablet (36%) and more than their Smart TV (61%)

Everyone does not have all the devices listed above. It would never add up to 100%.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

They asked 8,858 people "Which devices do you use to watch digital video content."

Multiple choice accepted.

So more responded they use their smart phone (68%) then they used their tablet (36%) and more than their Smart TV (61%)

Someone who uses their phone to watch instructional videos on extremely rare occasions and uses their TV for all movies and TV shows would respond both TV and smart phone.

Someone else who uses their phone to watch the vast majority of things but occasionally uses a TV at a friends house would also respond both TV and smart phone.

Those two categories are extremely different but without any additional information it's impossible to know how many people fit into the first category and how many fit into the second.

So like I said: the results are meaningless.

Everyone does not have all the devices listed above. It would never add up to 100%.

If everyone used all the devices listed it would add up to 700%.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Someone who uses their phone to watch instructional videos on extremely rare occasions and uses their TV for all movies and TV shows would respond both TV and smart phone.

You are making the assumption they never use their phone to watch movies just to prop up your argument. Doesn't mean it's fact. It was a very basic question. You are over thinking these "what if" scenarios.

Someone else who uses their phone to watch the vast majority of things but occasionally uses a TV at a friends house would also respond both TV and smart phone.

Like I said - no category of device used is 100%. So it's the culmination of the responses that are charted.

Those two categories are extremely different but without any additional information it's impossible to know how many people fit into the first category and how many fit into the second.

So like I said: the results are meaningless.

We have to take the results at face value. Trying to shoot them down because they don't fit your argument is nothing more than a Strawman Argument.

If everyone used all the devices listed it would add up to 700%.

Correct.

[bhampton]

I want to assume they don't use the phone for movies, for the sake of the movies.

We do not have to take the results for anything when we understand the survey was setup to produce meaningless results.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You are making the assumption they never use their phone to watch movies just to prop up your argument. Doesn't mean it's fact. It was a very basic question. You are over thinking these "what if" scenarios.

6,023 people responded that they use their phone to watch video content. Maybe 6,000 of them frequently watch movies on their phone. Maybe 3,247 of them frequently watch movies on their phone. Maybe 1,194 of them frequently watch movies on their phone. Maybe only 126 of them frequently watch movies on their phone.

I don't know and neither do you. The survey didn't ask anyone to specify how much time they spent on each device or what type of video content they watch on each device.

And since it lacks that basic information: the results are meaningless. They don't prove anything one way or another.

I'm not making any assumptions. People who use the results as proof are making assumptions.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

They asked 8,858 people "Which devices do you use to watch digital video content."

Multiple choice accepted.

So more responded they use their smart phone (68%) then they used their tablet (36%) and more than their Smart TV (61%)

Everyone does not have all the devices listed above. It would never add up to 100%.

Everyone has a smartphone pretty much, smart TVs are still not in every household. Millions still have TVs that are just dumb TVs. Many TVs last a decade or much longer. Plus, many may use a monitor for film viewing or just their console. So a percentage may have selected gaming console AND smartphone, which means they are still watching on a tv, ditto streaming devices such as Amazon stick.

The question would then be, when we’re dumb TVs phased out? So already, that’s not a fair representation.

Basically, it’s a load of bollocks in my opinion, and 8,000 people doesn’t represent a country. Also, that survey may have skewed to young people who have their phone on them all day long.

Plus, many people may have ticked gaming console and streaming device without ticking smart tv, even if they have a smart tv.

Can you see how flawed this is?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by t-mel

Could be an Aliens, True Lies, and Abyss shock announcement

That would be some Christmas present.

[bhampton]

I did some analysis of previous posts.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I did some analysis of previous posts.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Everyone does not have all the devices listed above. It would never add up to 100%.

I know that. The full post that I quoted a portion of even said that.

As I said, I was posting that video for a bit of humor.

It was a joke!

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

We have to take the results at face value. Trying to shoot them down because they don't fit your argument is nothing more than a Strawman Argument.

We ARE taking the results at face value.

He's not shooting them down because they don't fit his argument.

But he is shooting them down because there is a lot of information that these results DO NOT TELL US which would be very relevant to the conversation at hand.

That is the problem. All this study shows is which devices the people surveyed use to at least some extent. Whether they spend 2 minutes a month using the device for streaming video, or several hours every day, it still holds the same weight in these results.

There's no strawman argument being made. There's a very fair and logical counterpoint being made.

If anyone is making a strawman argument, it is you. You are trying to make it look like people in general are using their smart phones for streaming more than any other device in terms of how much time they spend watching, even though that is not at all what this shows.

The results of this would be the same whether everyone spends 2 minutes a month watching streaming content on their phones, or several hours a day. But since we cannot determine that one way or another based on the data provided, it is meaningless in determining which devices people spend the most actual time using.





Let me put it another way. Let's suppose a similar study as this were conducted where these streaming devices are all included in the options to vote for, but for some reason they also included other items on the list that have nothing to do with streaming video, but were options to see how many of these people use them. And let's suppose a toilet was one of those options.

Since everybody goes to the bathroom, presumably the results for toilet would be 100% (or at least close to it - and I hope that anything less than 100% would be an error in someone filling out the survey).

That would likely be the option in the top spot. But it doesn't mean that people would spend more of their time on the toilet than watching streaming video content. It just means they all use the toilet at some point throughout the day.

But based on your logic, without flat out saying it (since it would be inaccurate), your goal would be to make it appear as though people are spending more time on the toilet overall.

That's why, in the case of the smart phone, you reply in the manner that I quoted above. We have to "just accept the results" and not question them for any reason, less we be making a "strawman argument," even though we are doing no such thing.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Plus, many people may have ticked gaming console and streaming device without ticking smart tv, even if they have a smart tv.

Can you see how flawed this is?

That is possible.


Heck, in my case, I technically have a smart TV, but it is an older one, and there are a lot of streaming apps it does not support (also I bought it for reasons other than it being a smart tv - it happened to come with those features).

But I also have a dedicated 4K Blu-Ray player, a Roku device, and a couple of game consoles with streaming support all connected to it.

So I could easily check off smart tv, gaming console, and streaming device (as well as my laptop, which I'll sometimes watch youtube videos on) if I were voting in this survey. But this really would give no indication of which device I use more than another. And (except for the laptop) all of them are used for the same end result of watching content on the same TV. So from a certain perspective, if I'm watching it all on the same TV anyway, it's kind of a moot point as to which device the video is being streamed through.

I would also check off smart phone because while rare, I have watched videos on it once in a blue moon. But it is by far the one that I use the least in this regard.

[t-mel]

How WB have described the max changes...

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

We ARE taking the results at face value.

He's not shooting them down because they don't fit his argument.

But he is shooting them down because there is a lot of information that these results DO NOT TELL US which would be very relevant to the conversation at hand.

That is the problem. All this study shows is which devices the people surveyed use to at least some extent. Whether they spend 2 minutes a month using the device for streaming video, or several hours every day, it still holds the same weight in these results.

There's no strawman argument being made. There's a very fair and logical counterpoint being made.

If anyone is making a strawman argument, it is you. You are trying to make it look like people in general are using their smart phones for streaming more than any other device in terms of how much time they spend watching, even though that is not at all what this shows.

The results of this would be the same whether everyone spends 2 minutes a month watching streaming content on their phones, or several hours a day. But since we cannot determine that one way or another based on the data provided, it is meaningless in determining which devices people spend the most actual time using.

Most Used Device

[t-mel]

As I said, if the poll asked them to give the one device they used most, that would be one thing. This is not that.

[Steedeel]

I’m out of this nonsense. Life’s too short to indulge Lee in his silly campaigns.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by t-mel

As I said, if the poll asked them to give the one device they used most, that would be one thing. This is not that.

Exactly.

Or a poll that let's them pick multiple devices, but has them rank them in order of which they use most to which they use the least, or allowed them to put in an estimated amount of time or percentage the device is used for streaming video. Then we'd have better results.

All this proves is that all of these people who selected smart phone as one of their choices used their phone to some extent at some point for streaming video... whether it was for 5 seconds or 500 hours.

It doesn't mean that on an individual basis, they actually used the phone more for this purpose than any other device.


And as has been pointed out, the options of Smart TV, game console, and dedicated streaming device all would imply watching the streaming video on a TV, so TV would still likely win out in the grand scheme of things. But since the study focuses on the device actually doing/processing the streaming, and not necessarily what the content is actually being watched on (i.e. a TV in these particular instances), it makes it look like smart phones are used more than TVs to watch streaming video.... because no one is using an exterior device to watch streaming content on their phone.