Crisp sound

[naturephoto1]

Originally Posted by prerich

Hey!!! I like Krispy Kreme especially when the fresh sign is on!!!! !!!!

They are good donuts. But, it was a funny comment based upon the proper spelling.

Rich

[rded]

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

They are good donuts. But, it was a funny comment based upon the proper spelling.

Rich

BTW Krispy Kreme is in financial trouble I love their donuts.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by rded

Sheesh!!! My speakers are brutally revealing that I find myself listening to different genres and less rock/metal/alternative because I can only pick out a handful of rock recordings I have that sound good.

Rhett...please share some of those with us.....may not have them, which will require a trip to my vinyl dealer.

John

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Honestly, as a whole, all the "tight, detailed, crisp, fluid, etc" terms as a whole crack me up.

I couldn't agree more, it's just to funny the multiple ways to describe sound

Bright, brilliant: The degree to which reproduced sound has a hard, crisp edge to it.
a crisp edge to it, I don't even know what that means. crisp edge???

[rded]

Originally Posted by John72953

Rhett...please share some of those with us.....may not have them, which will require a trip to my vinyl dealer.

John

John I'll PM you when I get home. But check Jason's thread out I actually mentioned quite a few of them https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...=103113&page=2

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by rded

Sheesh!!! My speakers are brutally revealing that I find myself listening to different genres and less rock/metal/alternative because I can only pick out a handful of rock recordings I have that sound good.

This would make me very sad, as the bulk of my listening is there.

[rded]

Originally Posted by aramis109

This would make me very sad, as the bulk of my listening is there.

Its a blessing and a curse. Put in a bad recording and "yuck" that's what my wife says!

[jomari]

its been a while folks, but find this as a very interesting, both the topic and the individuals involved here. great discussion! very crisp!

ive rarely attempt to describe how a speaker sounds, due to the simple fact that they are completely subjective in nature. its like describing food - we all have different taste, we all have different preferences, all have different schools of thought we have been brought up with.

how do you know how the speaker 'really sounds'? how much auditioning have we done to determine how 'tight the midrange' is, or how 'deep' the bass sounds?

ive tended to consider my notes a little bit more critical, in regards to a speakers performance, instead of their 'sound' so to speak. ive also considered to describe them instead as a 'warmer', 'natural' sound instead...

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by rded

Sheesh!!! My speakers are brutally revealing that I find myself listening to different genres and less rock/metal/alternative because I can only pick out a handful of rock recordings I have that sound good.

I really enjoy Acoustic material where you can hear the fingers slide into position on the guitar strings....... it's like being in the same room as someone strums a song.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

I really enjoy Acoustic material where you can hear the fingers slide into position on the guitar strings....... it's like being in the same room as someone strums a song.

I'm with you there Beta! Listening to Jack Johnson, Jessie Cook, some wonderful Spanish Flamenco...when you can hear that detail and hear it precisely (crispy?), it's a wonderful sensation!

John

[naturephoto1]

Originally Posted by rded

Its a blessing and a curse. Put in a bad recording and "yuck" that's what my wife says!

Rhett,

It is possible that you are picking up not only the faults in the recording (which can be bad and many), but also the faults of the electronic components and even the wiring. Not everything "plays" well together.

Rich

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

Rhett,

It is possible that you are picking up not only the faults in the recording (which can be bad and many), but also the faults of the electronic components and even the wiring. Not everything "plays" well together.

Rich

I, personally, think that you are right in this regard. It's like anything else...GIGO (maybe that's a bit too excessive of a statement), but I think we may be running amok slightly of the original intent of prerich's TS. I think I'm partly to blame for that as I mentioned that the source (LP/CD/SACD) was also a contributory factor in how a speaker interprets "crisp" or any other audio term.

From purely the "speaker's" point of view...how would you describe yours? Is "crisp" a word you would use?

John

[naturephoto1]

Originally Posted by John72953

I, personally, think that you are right in this regard. It's like anything else...GIGO (maybe that's a bit too excessive of a statement), but I think we may be running amok slightly of the original intent of prerich's TS. I think I'm partly to blame for that as I mentioned that the source (LP/CD/SACD) was also a contributory factor in how a speaker interprets "crisp" or any other audio term.

From purely the "speaker's" point of view...how would you describe yours? Is "crisp" a word you would use?

John

Additionally, with further consideration, the performance may improve with burn in of the electronic components and the wiring.

I do not use crisp in a description of my speakers. I would use such things as fast, dynamic (micro and macro), smooth, detailed, percussive with strong bass, airy, natural, excellent imaging with deep soundstage (recording dependent), etc.

Rich

[rded]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

I really enjoy Acoustic material where you can hear the fingers slide into position on the guitar strings....... it's like being in the same room as someone strums a song.

Originally Posted by John72953

I'm with you there Beta! Listening to Jack Johnson, Jessie Cook, some wonderful Spanish Flamenco...when you can hear that detail and hear it precisely (crispy?), it's a wonderful sensation!

John

I'm with you both. I've been listening to a lot of Jack johnson, tracey chapman. You have to check out acoustic alchemy and Patti smith's twelve album. Also all of Tori Amos and Cat Power's albums(although no acoustic guitars) Alinanis Morrisette's Acoustic offering of the Jagged little pill is a jaw dropper.

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

Rhett,

It is possible that you are picking up not only the faults in the recording (which can be bad and many), but also the faults of the electronic components and even the wiring. Not everything "plays" well together.

Rich

Hi Rich,

Yes I was talking about the faults of the recording especially in the rock genre. For instance any or all of the Nirvana Albums are not very well recorded but the Japanes SHM CDs have made it a lot smoother and less gritty. See, this is why I love my Naim CDP because it digs straight into the music and less on the faults of the recording like Simaudio, Arcam, and Burmester to a lesser degree. Actually, the Thor has actually cleaned up the electrostatic harness and congestion of my system so great recordings shine more and bad recordings-you get what I mean. BTW my wires and cables are not bad-by my standards,but maybe not to yours.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

I do not use crisp in a description of my speakers. I would use such things as fast, dynamic (micro and macro), smooth, detailed, percussive with strong bass, airy, natural, excellent imaging with deep soundstage (recording defendant), etc.

Rich

Thanks for that description Rich, but can you explain the bolded....as you've lost me there.

John

[naturephoto1]

Originally Posted by John72953

Thanks for that description Rich, but can you explain the bolded....as you've lost me there.

John

What I am suggesting is that with vocals and instruments that change volume in performance on a small level which can be heard and recognized distinctly as well when listening to passages that have large changes in going from loud to soft or soft to loud.

Rich

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

What I am suggesting is that with vocals and instruments that change volume in performance on a small level which can be heard and recognized distinctly as well when listening to passages that have large changes in going from loud to soft or soft to loud.

Rich

That's what I love about audio...I would have described that (if asked) as a speaker having "detail". The term "dynamic", to me, conjures up an image of fullness and richness in sound. Goes to show you we all have different interpretations.

Regardless of what words or audiophile terms are used, I have no doubt your system sounds exactly as you described it.....

John

[jomari]

its great to see the amount of detail we put into describing how our speakers sound, or better yethow the medium sounds reproduced by the speaker. i do like the idea that all of us have different notions about them too.

in regards to the guitar detail, one example i can think of is both eagles concerts, you can hear the nuances based on your speakers performance. im no guitar player, but i can hear the pick/fingers 'move' the strings to so speak.

rich, great descriptions by the way, now i have more snake oil to use to describe things...

[prerich]

Originally Posted by jomari

its been a while folks, but find this as a very interesting, both the topic and the individuals involved here. great discussion! very crisp!

ive rarely attempt to describe how a speaker sounds, due to the simple fact that they are completely subjective in nature. its like describing food - we all have different taste, we all have different preferences, all have different schools of thought we have been brought up with.

how do you know how the speaker 'really sounds'? how much auditioning have we done to determine how 'tight the midrange' is, or how 'deep' the bass sounds?

ive tended to consider my notes a little bit more critical, in regards to a speakers performance, instead of their 'sound' so to speak. ive also considered to describe them instead as a 'warmer', 'natural' sound instead...

So with that stated (because it is subjective ) Would it be right to say that people may perfer an amount of coloration to their sound? I know that the aim is no coloration - but some insturments themselves use techniques to color the sound. As a conga player I can produce several sounds out of a conga that sound nothing like a "regular" conga sound - I distort it or color it. Recordings can also be colored and over "eq" even the sound that the artist intended may be a colored sound. So a new question is begged to be asked....is there such thing as correct sound? Hmmmm???

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

I really enjoy Acoustic material where you can hear the fingers slide into position on the guitar strings....... it's like being in the same room as someone strums a song.

I love it too!!! Sometimes you can hear the clicks on a Hammond B3 (that was originally thought of as fault in the organ but the flavor that it added became the B3's signature - coloration anyone?). Hearing someone flip the leslie switch or pull a draw bar, finding the loaction of the Tympani drums in relation to the rest of the band - those are some of the emotions if you will, that I look for in music. Good post Beta, I also like the slide of Johnathan Butler's fingers on his guitar!