Titanic 4K UHD (1997)

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by RobertR

Correction: You can find some examples from some films with the teal and orange look, unlike the modern Hollywood obsession with it. Show me the teal in this shot:





Or this one:







Blah blah blah. Yeah, that's the "justification" for slathering everything with it. Thank God not everyone had that mindset, unlike today's all too common devotion to it.

Blah blah blah is right, because that image from The Wizard of Oz is completely incorrect. You can't be serious lol. Look how yellow everything is! There's no white balance to the image at all. In fact, there's no white period, except for the parts where the highlights are clipped. Everything that's supposed to be white is drenched in yellow, from the white on Dorothy's dress (which is actually totally blown out in that image lol) to the aprons worn by some of the munchkins. It even makes the water in the background green instead of the *gasp* teal colour it's supposed to have.

Here's a better example of how that scene is supposed to look: https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...135797&i=3&l=0

Not the same screenshot obviously but the image you posted looks COMPLETELY off and invalidates whatever point you think you're trying to make here.

[Matt89]

"Show me the teal" then proceeds to show you an image that's been incorrectly colour timed when the correctly graded image ACTUALLY has teal in it. You can't make this shit up.

This place is HILARIOUS.

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by Matt89

the image you posted looks COMPLETELY off and invalidates whatever point you think you're trying to make here.

Poor screenshot or not, it doesn't invalidate my point at all. Even the correct color timing is NOT slathered with teal. I notice you were unable to make the same comment about the MFL shot.


Here's another screenshot from the site you use as a reference:




Show me the teal in that shot.

[Macatouille]

I just want to thank the staff/admins here for allowing us to add users to an Ignore List. Truly makes this place more palatable.

[tankryankr19]

Aside from the horrible negativity in this thread, time to make things positive. Amazon.ca is showing that my order is close to being shipped so might get it early, but usually Amazon.ca doesn't ship till release date unfortunately but I can only wish right

[starmike]

I'm hoping for a free 4K upgrade on iTunes

[Matt89]

Alright, well the My Fair Lady shot looks incorrect as well as it clearly has a magenta push, very typical of old scans. And much like the example you gave with Wizard of Oz, it also has a ton of clipped highlights. The walls, the light fixtures, the dresses. These are not good examples of what you're trying to argue, which is the point here. You're basically saying "hey there's no teal in these old screenshots that haven't been correctly graded in the first place." Yeah obviously there's no teal but that scene isn't supposed to be as magenta as it appears in the screenshot you provided either. And this is where all this nonsense about teal stems from. People looking at old LD or DVD-era masters that pushed magenta to compensate for the way they were displayed on CRT televisions whereas now with the scanning technology we have and the improvements made in film restoration, studios are able to go back and use things like answer prints or IB tech prints, etc. to restore films to their intended look.

This is pretty much the exact same shot on the UHD:


Compared to the one you provided:


Notice how all that magenta that permeates the entire frame is now gone? And just because there isn't teal in these shots doesn't mean teal wasn't a thing back then. Again, I don't really know what you're trying to argue here.

And with regards to Wizard of Oz, you want me to find the teal in a shot that's supposed to be emerald green and has always been emerald green? That's quite literally the name of the city in the film lol. Again, WHAT point do you think you're trying to make here? Teal existed when 3-strip Technicolor films were in production. It's not like teal is some newly invented colour that's only been used in films over the past 20-some-odd years.

Here's a screenshot from Thief, made way back in 1981 which features a ton of teal that was true to the film's original look (seeing as how Criterion used the film's original answer print as a reference to grade their restoration):

[Matt89]

Anywayyyyyyyy...

TITANIC.

[Infallible Presence]

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by Infallible Presence

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Matt89

"Show me the teal" then proceeds to show you an image that's been incorrectly colour timed when the correctly graded image ACTUALLY has teal in it. You can't make this shit up.

This place is HILARIOUS.

His point stands. The UHD of Wizard of Oz is stunning, and certainly not covered in a blanket teal tint. He posted an old image that was way too warm (maybe a marketing image or an old DVD screenshot) but the point is Wizard of Oz like most films back then had gorgeous colors.

[liamjaco1998]

Originally Posted by tankryankr19

Aside from the horrible negativity in this thread, time to make things positive. Amazon.ca is showing that my order is close to being shipped so might get it early, but usually Amazon.ca doesn't ship till release date unfortunately but I can only wish right

It’s the only thing this thread knows how to do.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Matt89

Alright, well the My Fair Lady shot looks incorrect as well as it clearly has a magenta push, very typical of old scans. And much like the example you gave with Wizard of Oz, it also has a ton of clipped highlights. The walls, the light fixtures, the dresses. These are not good examples of what you're trying to argue, which is the point here. You're basically saying "hey there's no teal in these old screenshots that haven't been correctly graded in the first place." Yeah obviously there's no teal but that scene isn't supposed to be as magenta as it appears in the screenshot you provided either. And this is where all this nonsense about teal stems from. People looking at old LD or DVD-era masters that pushed magenta to compensate for the way they were displayed on CRT televisions whereas now with the scanning technology we have and the improvements made in film restoration, studios are able to go back and use things like answer prints or IB tech prints, etc. to restore films to their intended look.

This is pretty much the exact same shot on the UHD:


Compared to the one you provided:

So where's the teal in that UHD shot?

Obviously the older image he posted was too magenta - probably an older DVD screenshot. But again, the point stands.

While everyone is mocking his choice of posting older screenshots, they're missing the main point. Older films had a much wider color palette.

[Matt89]

Lol no the point really doesn't stand. I also provided an image from a film that WAS supposed to have teal that's now over 40 years old.

There were, however, a bunch of Fox Cinemascope films from the '50s that were graded with a heavy teal push early in the blu-ray era which are certainly incorrect, but that was a very specific batch of films from one particular studio. For the most part though, this "blanket teal" argument is just nonsense and stems from people being too accustomed to transfers of films that were never properly graded in the first place, which is MY point.

[surfinhank]

13 years later and we're still debating. Here's a few fun reads:

https://theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2...ease-stop.html

https://www.nitrateville.com/viewtopic.php?t=7987

https://notonbluray.com/blog/orange-and-teal/

https://hollywood-elsewhere.com/crit...fects-teorema/

Here's a good one published in 2010 titled "Hollywood's NEW Colour Craze" (2010... "new") ...

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...teal-hollywood

[kmhofmann]

Originally Posted by Matt89

For the most part though, this "blanket teal" argument is just nonsense and stems from people being too accustomed to transfers of films that were never properly graded in the first place, which is MY point.

Thanks!

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by Matt89

And with regards to Wizard of Oz, you want me to find the teal in a shot that's supposed to be emerald green and has always been emerald green?

You think the tealophiles would want to make the shot so emerald green? Think again. Where is the teal in your "color corrected" MFL shot?

[flash.over]

Originally Posted by mattuk82

Hey all does anyone know if the collectors edition is being released outside the USA? nothing showing up for the UK :/ and i can’t order it from Amazon to my UK address either 😪

You can get it off WowHD!

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Originally Posted by surfinhank

13 years later and we're still debating. Here's a few fun reads:

https://theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2...ease-stop.html

https://www.nitrateville.com/viewtopic.php?t=7987

https://notonbluray.com/blog/orange-and-teal/

https://hollywood-elsewhere.com/crit...fects-teorema/

Here's a good one published in 2010 titled "Hollywood's NEW Colour Craze" (2010... "new") ...

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...teal-hollywood

Are you serious? Most of those articles were thoroughly debunked years ago and are full of misinformation. The Hollywood Elsewhere link is for a guy's site who is notorious for posting blatant misinformation. He is seen as a joke by most actual experts and some think that his whole shtick is satire or he's just trying to rile up the easily led for his own amusement. "Teal monster", "organizational derangement", "IT'S INSANE"? Please.

The last link was an article based off a post made by a blogger and they even reached out to a Hollywood colorist who said that there was no conspiracy, LOL. It may have been more prevalent in films around 2010 but that doesn't mean that this look wasn't present in film before digital because it certainly was present in a number of them.

Instead of reading sensationalist and uninformed articles from people who don't seem to have any experience with what they're talking about, why not read actual books and articles from people who worked on and graded films for a living? Why not go on filmcolors.org and see for yourself what the truth really is via information and actual high quality scans of prints posted by a film professional who has been granted access to prints from various museums and archives?

Also, it's pretty embarrassing that to disprove that teal and/or orange could or did exist on photochemically finished film, people still point towards screenshots of inaccurate magenta-pushed home video telecines instead of actual film scans. What's that supposed to prove? It's funny how it seems that The Wizard of Oz is always brought up in this argument when several respected insiders I know seem to think that the grades for it and some other titles such as Gone with the Wind aren't approximations of the original grades at all as there's been disputes over what the "original" actually is as even the photochemical restorations/re-releases of the films on 35mm have all had noticeably different grades.

[Matt89]

And the OP changed the title of the thread to "Tealanic"?

The amount of ridiculous hyperbole in the 4K threads lately is just insane lol.