Titanic 4K UHD (1997)

[Mierzwiak]

Saved!

[Matt89]

"Tealtanic" sounds better anyway, why drop the T? Lol.

[stvn1974]

Speaking of teal, I read that Cameron turned Winslet's boobs blue in the scetch scene so she looks like her character in Avatar.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Speaking of teal, I read that Cameron turned Winslet's boobs blue in the scetch scene so she looks like her character in Avatar.

Jack, I want you to draw me like one of your Smurf girls.

[surfinhank]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

Also, it's pretty embarrassing that to disprove that teal and/or orange could or did exist on photochemically finished film, people still point towards screenshots of inaccurate magenta-pushed home video telecines instead of actual film scans. What's that supposed to prove?

This gets brought up a lot and I think the problem is, no one is implying those home video versions are 100% accurate. I can see the magenta push too. The issue is that even with the magenta, they still look more balanced than a teal push looks. You can still see blue that looks... blue.

Looking at that article reminded me of Bull Durham. It's funny to read that review now (written by a reviewer people are constantly berating). He gives it 5 stars and praises the color grade, but he's recently started calling out older films that have the controversial "teal".

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Bull-...203266/#Review

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Matt89

Lol no the point really doesn't stand. I also provided an image from a film that WAS supposed to have teal that's now over 40 years old.

There were, however, a bunch of Fox Cinemascope films from the '50s that were graded with a heavy teal push early in the blu-ray era which are certainly incorrect, but that was a very specific batch of films from one particular studio. For the most part though, this "blanket teal" argument is just nonsense and stems from people being too accustomed to transfers of films that were never properly graded in the first place, which is MY point.

It does stand. Come on, there's a difference between having an object in the frame that is teal, and having the entire frame tinted teal. I didn't say older films never featured any objects that were teal colored, because that's silly. I said older films didn't regularly bathe the entire film in a blanket teal tint. And Wizard of Oz is a prime example of that.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Matt89

And the OP changed the title of the thread to "Tealanic"?

The amount of ridiculous hyperbole in the 4K threads lately is just insane lol.

Stating that Cameron applies teal to his films is not hyperbole. Stating that that's common practice these days is not hyperbole. Stating older films didn't do that is not hyperbole. These are all just facts.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by surfinhank

13 years later and we're still debating. Here's a few fun reads:

https://theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2...ease-stop.html

https://www.nitrateville.com/viewtopic.php?t=7987

https://notonbluray.com/blog/orange-and-teal/

https://hollywood-elsewhere.com/crit...fects-teorema/

Here's a good one published in 2010 titled "Hollywood's NEW Colour Craze" (2010... "new") ...

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...teal-hollywood

Yeah, it's been recognized as a thing for many many years now, going back a good decade or so. I remember seeing some of those articles years ago. Gotta love how some still pretend this isn't a thing that has been happening. I swear people just don't know good color any more.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by mar3o

It does stand. Come on, there's a difference between having an object in the frame that is teal, and having the entire frame tinted teal. I didn't say older films never featured any objects that were teal colored, because that's silly. I said older films didn't regularly bathe the entire film in a blanket teal tint. And Wizard of Oz is a prime example of that.

There's nothing like Glorious Tealnicolour

[nick4Knight]

I do think that too many people put stock in how 30 years of home video have looked; laserdisc, dvd and even blu-ray transfers from legacy early 2000's HDTV era scanning. The perception that is "accurate" to original intent.

[JohnCarpenterFan]

*Sigh* All of this because someone said that teal has always been present on film (which is true) and people are taking that as "Every film ever made was teal" so are taking screenshots from random movies in an attempt to disprove that teal has always appeared on film?

That would be like me posting a screenshot of a black and white film and saying "gotcha" to someone claiming that films always looked completely lifelike with bright vibrant colors on 35mm.

I mean there's silent films that were given straight up teal filters a hundred years ago. There was nothing stopping films from being graded that way and some certainly were. I'm not aware of anybody saying that every film looked that way because they most certainly didn't but I think the notion that there's an epidemic of studios/labels intentionally "tealing" everything is completely preposterous and paranoid.

As for how other Blu-rays look... Let's just say that a surprising amount of labels aren't in the habit of using reference prints so a lot of those "natural" releases or whatever probably won't look like how they did originally. I think this is the problem, people putting too much stock in how DVD and older Blu-rays looked instead of how the actual films originally looked.

At this point I don't think the people freaking out over teal actually care about the actual original grades for these films, just as long as they aren't "teal". We saw in the Three Colors thread where evidence came out showing that the new master for Blue was way more accurate than the previous one which wasn't even in the same ballpark. Suddenly people were saying that the UHD should have been revised from its original look to appear natural because it was ugly, looked like piss, etc. Yes, a film that is known for its visual beauty which still looks beautiful on UHD even though it doesn't look like real life and isn't perfectly white balanced suddenly became a travesty and the filmmakers didn't know what they were doing.

I think instead of the same people wasting years of their lives posting the same nonsense on this forum, they should look into grading and then they could tweak every film to meet their desire without causing every UHD thread to descend into redundant and idiotic arguments over things that made little to no sense. Studios/labels can't and shouldn't be expected to completely discard the wishes of the filmmakers, reference prints and the like in order to cater to such a small amount of people who frankly don't seem to have much knowledge of photochemical grading or actual film and instead think they know better because of completely erroneous articles written by bloggers and comparisons to outdated and inaccurate telecines.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Matt89

And the OP changed the title of the thread to "Tealanic"?

The amount of ridiculous hyperbole in the 4K threads lately is just insane lol.

The OP is banned. And even the OP can't change a title like that. I think a mod had to do it.

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

*Sigh* All of this because someone said that teal has always been present on film

[Show spoiler] (which is true) and people are taking that as "Every film ever made was teal" so are taking screenshots from random movies in an attempt to disprove that teal has always appeared on film?

That would be like me posting a screenshot of a black and white film and saying "gotcha" to someone claiming that films always looked completely lifelike with bright vibrant colors on 35mm.

I mean there's silent films that were given straight up teal filters a hundred years ago. There was nothing stopping films from being graded that way and some certainly were. I'm not aware of anybody saying that every film looked that way because they most certainly didn't but I think the notion that there's an epidemic of studios/labels intentionally "tealing" everything is completely preposterous and paranoid.

As for how other Blu-rays look... Let's just say that a surprising amount of labels aren't in the habit of using reference prints so a lot of those "natural" releases or whatever probably won't look like how they did originally. I think this is the problem, people putting too much stock in how DVD and older Blu-rays looked instead of how the actual films originally looked.

At this point I don't think the people freaking out over teal actually care about the actual original grades for these films, just as long as they aren't "teal". We saw in the Three Colors thread where evidence came out showing that the new master for Blue was way more accurate than the previous one which wasn't even in the same ballpark. Suddenly people were saying that the UHD should have been revised from its original look to appear natural because it was ugly, looked like piss, etc. Yes, a film that is known for its visual beauty which still looks beautiful on UHD even though it doesn't look like real life and isn't perfectly white balanced suddenly became a travesty and the filmmakers didn't know what they were doing.

I think instead of the same people wasting years of their lives posting the same nonsense on this forum, they should look into grading and then they could tweak every film to meet their desire without causing every UHD thread to descend into redundant and idiotic arguments over things that made little to no sense. Studios/labels can't and shouldn't be expected to completely discard the wishes of the filmmakers, reference prints and the like in order to cater to such a small amount of people who frankly don't seem to have much knowledge of photochemical grading or actual film and instead think they know better because of completely erroneous articles written by bloggers and comparisons to outdated and inaccurate telecines.

That’s all the internet needs to go crazy and blow things out of proportion.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

I do think that too many people put stock in how 30 years of home video have looked; laserdisc, dvd and even blu-ray transfers from legacy early 2000's HDTV era scanning. The perception that is "accurate" to original intent.

Technicolor Tri-Color separation filters Movies > NTSC 60s TV > SMPTE-C 70s-90s TV/VHS/DVD > Rec.709 BD/comp monitors >
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P3 4K

Full circle.



> > > >

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[Streetlight]

Originally Posted by RobertR

Poor screenshot or not, it doesn't invalidate my point at all. Even the correct color timing is NOT slathered with teal. I notice you were unable to make the same comment about the MFL shot.


Here's another screenshot from the site you use as a reference:




Show me the teal in that shot.

At the top left corner

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

There's nothing like Glorious Tealnicolour

Now that's more like it! Totally natural color.

[Jim Collins]

I came across the key-art for the new release & I think it looks miles better when it's not as zoomed in as it is on the cover.

[Sergeant Howie]

I just noticed that the UK edition (that I hadn't seen listed before, so no doubt it's been up for several days ) includes two standard Blu-rays; so you get the film in 4K on the UHD disc, and in 1080p HD on Blu-ray, as well as the Blu-ray bonus features disc. The US edition (that I had already pre-ordered weeks ago), includes the 'Bonus' Blu-ray only, so that one only has the film in 4K. OK, I get that most Titaniacs here on Blu-ray.com already have one or more editions on 1080HD Blu-ray, possibly the 3D version included; but I do not, and I'm not 4K ready, so this interests me. I have now pre-ordered the UK one, and will likely drop my US order. I had to miss the UK 25th anniversary theatrical re-release run earlier this year, that I had been so looking forward to, as unfortunately I had shingles throughout. I've still never seen Titanic on the big screen.

[BillyDuffyLove77]

Originally Posted by Sergeant Howie

I just noticed that the UK edition (that I hadn't seen listed before, so no doubt it's been up for several days ) includes two standard Blu-rays; so you get the film in 4K on the UHD disc, and in 1080p HD on Blu-ray, as well as the Blu-ray bonus features disc. The US edition (that I had already pre-ordered weeks ago), includes the 'Bonus' Blu-ray only, so that one only has the film in 4K. OK, I get that most Titaniacs here on Blu-ray.com already have one or more editions on 1080HD Blu-ray, possibly the 3D version included; but I do not, and I'm not 4K ready, so this interests me. I have now pre-ordered the UK one, and will likely drop my US order. I had to miss the UK 25th anniversary theatrical re-release run earlier this year, that I had been so looking forward to, as unfortunately I had shingles throughout. I've still never seen Titanic on the big screen.

Thanks! Great info! I'm in the UK. Do you know if the 'EXTRA FEATURES' and all other aspects are identical between the US and UK releases (I know the studios are different). Thank you!

[Sergeant Howie]

Originally Posted by BillyDuffyLove77

Thanks! Great info! I'm in the UK. Do you know if the 'EXTRA FEATURES' and all other aspects are identical between the US and UK releases (I know the studios are different). Thank you!

Thanks. I had a wee scoot online, and found postings regarding each issue on Hi-DEFNINJA.COM. There's yet another on the big, overpriced US 'tat' box as well. As for that all-important extras comparison, well it's none too clear, the extras description is not comprehensive, but appears to be very similar, perhaps indicating the same; only, please don't quote me on that, as it ain't necessarily so. Please, you'll have to use your own judgment, and make up your own mind. For me the inclusion in the UK set of the film in 1080p HD on Blu-ray (even an earlier transfer) makes for a bargain and outweighs any 'extra' that might be missing perhaps due to some spurious, so-called rights issue. Mind this is purely my speculation. I would hope both 4K discs will be identical (and the UK one might even have additional content - I don't know what was on earlier releases.

Whatever you do, please "Tell only who you must - I don't want to be responsible for a panic." [nor a riot!]

Hi-DefNinja.com | Titanic (4K + Digital Slipcover) [USA]

Hi-DefNinja.com | Titanic (4K + Blu-ray) [UK]