Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Reminds me of what Warners just did in order to save money by bricking all digital copies that have not been redeemed by their expiration dates. Even codes sitting there bundled in existing stock are no longer valid past the original expiration date.

Why have it if it doesn't mean anything?

[deatheats]

Oh really? How long do you think it would take for a maximum wage law or better yet a wealth tax to be voted in should a direct democracy ever come into place?

Sorry, off topic, but if you don’t think CEOs and Capitalism are playing a big part in destroying the planet’s ecosystem for their own profit, (not to mention art and everything else good, humans are capable of), you simply aren’t paying attention.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by deatheats

Oh really? How long do you think it would take for a maximum wage law or better yet a wealth tax to be voted in should a direct democracy ever come into place?

Sorry, off topic, but if you don’t think CEOs and Capitalism are playing a big part in destroying the planet’s ecosystem for their own profit, (not to mention art and everything else good, humans are capable of), you simply aren’t paying attention.

Or . . . in your case . . . overreacting.

[deatheats]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Or . . . in your case . . . overreacting.

Look around.

[Lee A Stewart]

[russweiss1]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I didn't think my opinion of you could get any lower but sadly, it has.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by russweiss1

I didn't think my opinion of you could get any lower but sadly, it has.

Him posting that is probably the least shocking thing I will see this year. But it confirms my perception of him as a person.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

As long as I get the chance to see it before it leaves - who cares. The services 99% of the time tell you which content is leaving so you can view it before it does.

You just don't understand why people like streaming:

It's cheap
It has tons of content
Content is added each month

I'll fix it for you.

You just don't understand why people dislike streaming:

It's poor quality
It has tons of ads
Content is removed each month

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

I'll fix it for you.

It's poor quality - since when did Joe Public care about the quality of the video he is watching?

It has tons of ads - You have a choice;- SVOD costs more but there are NO ads. All the major streaming services like Disney+, Max, Peacock, etc. offer this. Or you can save money and go AVOD with ads or you can PAY NOTHING and go with FAST services like Tubi, Freevee, Roku, etc.

Content is removed each month - content is added each month. What is removed is dependent on licensing agreements.

[Lee A Stewart]

Redbox Owner Receives Nasdaq Delisting Warning for Not Filing Quarterly Fiscal Result

Chicken Soup for the Soul Entertainment, parent of Redbox, Nov. 22 announced it has received notice from the Nasdaq indicating it is not in compliance with the stock trading board’s listing rules.

Specifically, Nasdaq said Chicken Soup has not filed its Form 10-Q for the fiscal period ended Sept. 30, 2023, with the Securities and Exchange Commission (“SEC”). The Notice does not immediately affect the listing or trading of the company’s securities. According to Nasdaq, the Chicken Soup was required to file Form 10-Q by Nov. 14, 2023.

Under Nasdaq rules, Chicken Soup has 60 calendar days from receipt of the notice to submit a plan to regain compliance. If Nasdaq accepts the plan, then it may grant an exception of up to 180 calendar days (May 20, 2024) to regain compliance. If Nasdaq does not accept Chicken Soup’s plan, it can appeal the decision to a Nasdaq hearings panel.

Chicken Soup said it is working diligently to complete the Form 10-Q and anticipates filing the Form 10-Q as soon as possible. Separately, the company’s stock valuation currently sits at 29 cents per share, well below Nasdaq’s $1-per-share minimum.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/redbox...fiscal-result/

[film11]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

. Scientists don’t believe climate change causes hurricanes but research has shown the gradual warming of the Earth’s surface may play a role in the intensity and frequency of the strongest ones. As we've seen. Reality over dumb misleading memes.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by film11

. Scientists don’t believe climate change causes hurricanes but research has shown the gradual warming of the Earth’s surface may play a role in the intensity and frequency of the strongest ones. As we've seen. Reality over dumb misleading memes.

While some scientists believe there is enough evidence to say that climate change caused by human activities is the reason for the increase in the number and strength of recent hurricane seasons, other researchers are still unsure that climate change is the only cause.

https://education.nationalgeographic...re-hurricanes/

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Same old wash, rinse and repeat post. You HT enthusiast should know by now that no number of post explaining your position will have any effect on anyone that acquires their home entertainment on the cheap.

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

I'll fix it for you.

You just don't understand why people dislike streaming:

It's poor quality
It has tons of ads
Content is removed each month

You know what irks me the most about some Elitist Disc Collectors, is that they sit High on the Hog and look down on anyone that likes Streaming. They are quick to judge Streaming as Cheap with Poor Quality. I say Streaming is very Subjective and Dependent on your Equipment and Setup. With a High End Display, Fiber, and Ethernet, over Low End Equipment using a Disc Player!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You know what irks me the most about some Elitist Disc Collectors, is that they sit High on the Hog and look down on anyone that likes Streaming. They are quick to judge Streaming as Cheap with Poor Quality. I say Streaming is very Subjective and Dependent on your Equipment and Setup. With a High End Display, Fiber, and Ethernet, over Low End Equipment using a Disc Player!

A £400 tv with a 4K disc or Blu would still look better than the things you listed.

I have FTTP now and I’m still restricted by the low bit rate feeds from Netflix, Amazon, BBC IPlayer, ITVX, C4, Pluto TV, Freevee, etc..

I still have a far superior experience with disc, and that’s before we even get into HT.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You know what irks me the most about some Elitist Disc Collectors, is that they sit High on the Hog and look down on anyone that likes Streaming. They are quick to judge Streaming as Cheap with Poor Quality. I say Streaming is very Subjective and Dependent on your Equipment and Setup. With a High End Display, Fiber, and Ethernet, over Low End Equipment using a Disc Player!

People can like streaming if that is what they prefer. But there is opinion and there is fact.

Sure, a solid stream on very high end equipment will likely look better than a disc on very low end equipment. But the issue there is the equipment, not the disc and/or stream. If the quality of the screen on a TV is complete shit, then that will have an impact no matter how high quality the type of media may be. So you aren't comparing apples to apples.

If you take a 4K disc and a 4K stream of the same movie (with the same transfer of that movie being the basis for both), and play them on the same equipment (TV, sound system, etc.... whether that equipment is low end or especially high end), the disc is going to look better and sound better. That's just basic reality.

You enjoy your streaming? That's fine. Enjoy it.

The problem is that you keep making nonsensical arguments like this. You are basically one step away from saying that a disc being played on a TV with a cracked screen is going to look worse than streaming the same movie on a TV with a screen that isn't cracked. Well no shit, Sherlock.

It's like saying that a low end mid-sized sedan with scratches and dents that has been well maintained mechanically for years will likely run better and be more reliable than a high end vehicle that is cosmetically immaculate and made from higher end parts, but has been very poorly maintained mechanically over the same number of years. Yes, of course that's true.

But if equal effort was put into maintaining both vehicles from day one, the higher end vehicle made from higher quality parts is likely to fair better over the long haul and last longer than the low end vehicle.


If someone prefers the convenience of streaming, accepting the realities of the trade-offs and limitations there of, that's fine.

The only reason that, to you, it seems like we are looking down on people who prefer streaming is that many of us ARE looking down on you specifically because of the dumbass arguments you make, with this being a prime example.

[cheez avenger]

Been watching The Hobbit Extended Editions on 4K disc. I know they get crapped on for being excessive but I love those films along with the original LOTR EE 4K disc set.

New episodes of Monarch Legacy and For All Mankind were awesome.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

People can like streaming if that is what they prefer. But there is opinion and there is fact.

The only reason that, to you, it seems like we are looking down on people who prefer streaming is that many of us ARE looking down on you specifically because of the dumbass arguments you make, with this being a prime example.

Do you consider yourself an Elitist Disc Person? I don't even know what kind of equipment you have. If your equipment is on the Low End then you can't give a basic comparison. I say Streaming is Subjective and I have a Blu-ray Player to compare. How are you comparing your Disc Playing to Streaming? No one can look down or up on anyone unless we know what equipment and setup they are using for comparison!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You know what irks me the most about some Elitist Disc Collectors, is that they sit High on the Hog and look down on anyone that likes Streaming. They are quick to judge Streaming as Cheap with Poor Quality. I say Streaming is very Subjective and Dependent on your Equipment and Setup. With a High End Display, Fiber, and Ethernet, over Low End Equipment using a Disc Player!

Just another repeat of the same BS.

At last count I have invested quite a sum of $ into streaming hardware and software so I could provide analytical data about streaming. The reason some of us invest in PM has been covered numerous times but your post is living proof you folks never learn and that is a fact.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Do you consider yourself an Elitist Disc Person, I don't even know what kind of equipment you have. If your equipment is on the Low End then you can't give a basic comparison. I say Streaming is Subjective and I have a Blu-ray Player to compare. How are you comparing your Disc Playing to Streaming? No one can look down or up on anyone unless we know what equipment and setup they are using for comparison!

I've mentioned my equipment in previous posts in this thread.

And again, the statement that you made in your previous post compared these two things:

1. Streaming on high end equipment

2. Watching a disc on low end equipment.

With your argument being that in that specific comparison, the stream will look better. Well of course, but the issue is the equipment, not the stream. THAT is what I was responding to. You are comparing two scenarios where other variables (aside from just using a disc or streaming) are factors in the end result, therefore not making a proper comparison.

Also, as I said, that are basic facts. The picture and sound quality of a 4K disc is FACTUALLY superior to the picture and sound quality of a 4K stream (the same goes for a standard Blu-Ray compared to an HD stream). Regardless of what equipment any of us in the thread have, there are experts, knowledgeable reviewers, etc. who also make these comparisons. We KNOW that the discs have higher bit rates, less compression, etc. that result in the quality being FACTUALLY superior.


You seriously just need to shut the f--- up. I'm not joking. And I don't care who I upset in saying this. Your arguments are absurd lacking in anything that even remotely resembles logic and intelligence. You should be banned from this thread again.

Frankly, you sir, are nothing more than a troll, whether it is intentionally or unintentionally. Period. End of story.

By now many people have repeatedly proven you wrong at almost every turn. People have explained how these things work to you many, many times. And you still continue to respond in these manners, trying to do a bunch of mental gymnastics to argue why a stream is as good of quality or better than that of disc, but with everyone easily poking holes in your arguments.



People can think what they want of Lee A Stewart (there are things he says that I vastly disagree with), but I can at least give him credit for his arguments being based on things like the convenience, ease, and accessibility of streaming.... and that the general population will take that and settle for "good enough." At no point is he arguing that a 4K stream is of higher quality than the same movie on a 4K disc. He flat out admits that isn't the case. He admits that 4K disc IS superior to a 4K stream (and likewise with a Blu-Ray vs HD stream) because it is FACTUALLY TRUE. His whole argument is based around the average joe just not caring enough to opt for disc over the convenience of streaming.


But you continue to make this stupid baseless arguments. Pull your head out of your ass, Alchav. It's just really f-ing sad at this point.

[kfbkfb]

https://www.theverge.com/23965708/bl...u-cyber-monday

(not sure if this is the right place to post this, just found out about it, it's kinda like the streaming services want to take over the World)

I signed up for Hulu.


Kirk Bayne