Titanic 4K UHD (1997)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by gooseygander2001

Have you actually seen this Geoff or are your surmising from the screenshots and YouTube links posted that it's awful?

YouTube? I've not watched so much as a second of such stuff as I'd like to keep my brain cells intact. But no, I couldn't give you any actual evidence, just an edumacated guess re: the look of the UHD, Cameron's actual documented usage of AI on the Avatar 'remaster' plus the involvement of Peter Jackson's Park Road Post facility with Titanic. But please show me where I said or insinuated or surmised that it is "awful"?

[dalemc]

Right so here are those Super35mm frame scans I promised earlier. Just scanned with my Nikon film scanner some time ago, so a far cry from anything top of the range! The film strips were included in the gift set boxes when the film was released on VHS. Cool to see the tape marks on the floor here and there, and the mic in the upper frame.

Now I know the film was framed for a Widescreen experience in cinemas, and I do get the specific framing choices...but damn, it'd be marvelous, as a fan, to see the full Super35 frame, just to absorb as much of the sets and costumes as possible since so much work went into creating everything.

I'll be sharing some of my 70mm scans shortly too, as well as some 35mm scans from a release print (showing far more vibrant colours than that fan scan that's floating around out there. I do wish that wasn't SO so dull and dark)

[Show spoiler]

[gooseygander2001]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

YouTube? I've not watched so much as a second of such stuff as I'd like to keep my brain cells intact. But no, I couldn't give you any actual evidence, just an edumacated guess re: the look of the UHD, Cameron's actual documented usage of AI on the Avatar 'remaster' plus the involvement of Peter Jackson's Park Road Post facility with Titanic. But please show me where I said or insinuated or surmised that it is "awful"?

I assumed by the tone of your post you dislike the whole AI upscale, sharpened, degrained look and that you find it awful. Out of interest, what was your view of the original Avatar in 4k if you've seen it?

[RillIris]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yes, which where the "additional 4K remastering" part comes in - who the hell needs to re-remaster the existing (and very good) 4K remaster, unless your name is James Cameron? He wanted some of Peter Jackson's proprietary AI special sauce and boy did he get it

I feel like even if the master was not touched except for the implementation of HDR, you’d still get that “additional 4K remastering” note just for that, though it still sounds like this disc has definitely been touched otherwise.

Regardless I’m excited for the fancy swag packaging version to arrive, the new extras, and just to have an alternative to the wonderful 3D rendition of the movie I owned previously. That likely will still be my preferred version to watch, and though it does seem like this should have been better, it also does not sound like a complete mess to me either. Curious to see it with my own eyes, from what I’ve read I’m pretty certain I’ll see it as an upgrade over the flat BD version, just not as significant of an upgrade as we should have gotten.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Heh. I'm watching the 2005 DVD with Cameron commentary, oddly enough I've not spontaneously combusted yet from watching a DVD.

[matbezlima]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

YouTube? I've not watched so much as a second of such stuff as I'd like to keep my brain cells intact.

There is plenty of great stuff on YouTube. Except that almost all UHD reviewers there don't know what they are talking about. I hope that's what you are talking about.

[matbezlima]

Originally Posted by RillIris

I feel like even if the master was not touched except for the implementation of HDR, you’d still get that “additional 4K remastering” note just for that, though it still sounds like this disc has definitely been touched otherwise.

This makes me remember the note for Lawrence Of Arabia's UHD. According to it, the application of HDR had revealed minor and even major flaws that had been repaired in the 2012 restoration, requiring additional restoration work for the UHD release.

[punisher]

lol.....someone here IS a youtube reviewer...

You got that right, they are full of crap

[matbezlima]

I mean there is nothing wrong with reviewing UHDs on YouTube. The problem is that the biggest and most popular reviewers often really don't know what they are talking about. But that is not just a YouTube problem, it's an issue with UHD reviews in general across the internet really.

[crowe-t]

I hope the review for this is up here soon.

[Shaneacook1989]

Originally Posted by SSF-1138

It's not been confirmed anywhere that AI was used to upscale any footage.

The end credits basically confirm that the previous 4K scan was used and then additional 4K remastering was performed afterward.

I agree, AI upscaling has not been confirmed anywhere yet.

[sojrner]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Heh. I'm watching the 2005 DVD with Cameron commentary, oddly enough I've not spontaneously combusted yet from watching a DVD.

[blakninja]

So the Showest trailer is in PAL spedup?

[Jowiko96]

Has this shipped out at all via Amazon for anyone yet?

Says it should arrive tomorrow, but hasn’t shipped yet.

[ilenewoodsfan99]

I would say this is the calm before the storm, but we are well past 100 pages and the last 50 plus in a week's time so....

[blahsi]

Originally Posted by Jowiko96

Has this shipped out at all via Amazon for anyone yet?

Says it should arrive tomorrow, but hasn’t shipped yet.

Mine has shipped but was notified it isn't arriving until Wednesday.

[crowe-t]

Originally Posted by Jowiko96

Has this shipped out at all via Amazon for anyone yet?

Says it should arrive tomorrow, but hasn’t shipped yet.

Mine says:Release date: Tuesday, December 5, 2023

Arriving Wednesday but it hasn't shipped yet.

[yetanotherone]

Originally Posted by Shaneacook1989

I agree, AI upscaling has not been confirmed anywhere yet.

Some sort of "sophisticated" filter has been used, that much is clear by just looking at the image. Whether it's "AI"-based (whatever that means) or not is academic when the end result is a clearly digitally manipulated image.

But for the record, Park Road Post boasts that their filters ARE AI-driven, for example in interviews regarding that Beatles thingy Peter Jackson worked on.

https://www.nzfilm.co.nz/internation...les-get-back-0

The numerous AI-driven algorithms used in this process digitally removes imperfections on the film. Jackson’s team then reviewed the cleaned-up scans to look for any glaring issues. “We were looking for things related to the fact that it’s an organic piece of film,” says Newell. “To see if it had sparkle, little white bits or if it had dirt, little black bits, if it had scratches, which are sort of lines going through the film, if it had chemical marks, if it had splice jumps or if it was grainy.” All of these imperfections are completely natural for a piece of film from 1969, but they all needed correction.

[RYJAPE21]

Originally Posted by Jowiko96

Has this shipped out at all via Amazon for anyone yet?

Says it should arrive tomorrow, but hasn’t shipped yet.

Mine shipped with a target delivery date for Tuesday.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by blakninja

So the Showest trailer is in PAL spedup?

Most versions out there online have PAL speedup, yep, because it was only included on the Fox international DVD sets.

The only DVDs that had the ShoWest trailer at normal NTSC speed are the rare Mexican ones that a couple of members snagged.