Unpopular Movie Opinions: Part III

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by John1701D

Seriously, get a new schtick.

Sadly, I'm being honest. In some cases I would rather watch Steel over modern comic book movies. Steel is a terrible movie, but as bad as it is it doesn't take itself seriously. A lot of modern comic books try to be the Goodfellas of the genre. They're COMIC book movies. They're supposed to be comical. Not shakesepearian tragedies. But call it what you will. Schtick or otherwise. I don't know how to be anything else. I'm not snowing anyone.

[moreorless]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Yeah, its bad. Hated it way back when it first came out. Tried again a few years later. Sucked. And then the heralded "work print cut" or whatever it was called was supposed to make it better. Nope, suckage continued. The entire premise, plot and story is despicable. But, wrong thread.... our take is the popular one. .

My criticism of it would not be that "the story is despicable", I don't think there was any weight on Fincher to give a "happy ending".

The problem for me is I just don't think the film ends up amounting to that much, it just ends up a bit too much of the monster chewing though people but without the kind of dramatic effect of the original were it was more of a psycho sexual threat.

I think the Ripley story and the religious prison camp stories are interesting ideas but the film simply doesn't do that much with them which is that interesting to me, its well made/acted but lacking the weight of the previous two films.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

Sadly, I'm being honest. In some cases I would rather watch Steel over modern comic book movies. Steel is a terrible movie, but as bad as it is it doesn't take itself seriously. A lot of modern comic books try to be the Goodfellas of the genre. They're COMIC book movies. They're supposed to be comical. Not shakesepearian tragedies. But call it what you will. Schtick or otherwise. I don't know how to be anything else. I'm not snowing anyone.

The term comic book derives from American comic books once being a compilation of comic strips of a humorous tone; however, this practice was replaced by featuring stories of all genres, usually not humorous in tone.

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[fighthefutureofhd]

That latter trend of featuring stories of all genres usually not humorous in tone tends to fall outside of the mainstream comic books. Mainstream comic books are still pretty much comic. They have to be, as the characters themselves are rather comic and quite silly. No one can say that the penguin, for example, can be a serious character. Had to make a half human/half penguin character serious.

[mwynn]

Great googly moogly.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

That latter trend of featuring stories of all genres usually not humorous in tone tends to fall outside of the mainstream comic books. Mainstream comic books are still pretty much comic. They have to be, as the characters themselves are rather comic and quite silly. No one can say that the penguin, for example, can be a serious character. Had to make a half human/half penguin character serious.

Western, Horror, and Romance Comic strips existed along funny shit and super-heroes.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Yes, but that is still comic. You can tone down a lot of the comic elements to him, but he is still fundamentally comic. The whole basis of the character is comic.

[John1701D]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

Yes, but that is still comic. You can tone down a lot of the comic elements to him, but he is still fundamentally comic. The whole basis of the character is comic.

You're really putting too much emphasis on the word "comic". It long ago changed meaning away from humor or funny.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Not really, but that's cool.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by moreorless

My criticism of it would not be that "the story is despicable", I don't think there was any weight on Fincher to give a "happy ending".

The problem for me is I just don't think the film ends up amounting to that much, it just ends up a bit too much of the monster chewing though people but without the kind of dramatic effect of the original were it was more of a psycho sexual threat.

I think the Ripley story and the religious prison camp stories are interesting ideas but the film simply doesn't do that much with them which is that interesting to me, its well made/acted but lacking the weight of the previous two films.

That’s cool, but the entire premise just didn’t work for me at all. Ripley had already been to hell and back. The first two films endeared us to her and the great ending of Aliens was finally a time for her to possibly find happiness. Yeah, maybe my take is the "sappy" one but Geezus… this poor woman!

Alien 3 just has so much wrong with it. Killing off prime characters off screen right away, the protagonists are easy to hate prisoners, the one interesting character ( the doctor) gets chewed up within 20 minutes, and Ripley ends up being back to a miserable pile of mush. Ugh. Just no way I could get into this, regardless of who directed it or anything else. Just a bad story, IMO.

[Martoto]

It's interesting how often the Annie Wilkes mentality influences people's notions of what a "good" or permissible story is.

[DR Herbert West]

Keep bad feelings out of horror.

[scarletlion]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

Money. That’s how people on these boards determine if a movie is “good or not”. If it makes money. Everyone has become accountants for the studios.

What an awful metric.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

Keep bad feelings out of horror.

Yeah. Why do horror movies have to keep giving the returning characters such a horrific time of it.

How about treating people in horror sequels with respect instead, geniuses?

After Aliens, Ripley should have been like this all through Alien 3.

[Show spoiler]

The attitude gives me vibes of those whiny children who complain that other kids aren't playing with the toys in the correct way.

[Damon1281]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Alien 3 just has so much wrong with it. Killing off prime characters off screen right away, the protagonists are easy to hate prisoners, the one interesting character ( the doctor) gets chewed up within 20 minutes, and Ripley ends up being back to a miserable pile of mush.

You just listed many of my reasons for loving this movie. The unglamorous death of Newt and the, let's face it, forgettable Hicks. The only person to root for is the one that is doomed. And the best actor meets his demise fairly early in the film. Bad luck just follows Ripley around and there wouldn't be any Alien movie without that feature. This movie represents the most logical end to the story. To kill the Alien, Ripley must die. Of course, some people want her to be the horror equivalent of Captain Marvel and that's fine, I just love that this movie didn't follow that feel-good mess that James Cameron loves to make.

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Martoto

Yeah. Why do horror movies have to keep giving the returning characters such a horrific time of it.

How about treating people in horror sequels with respect instead, geniuses?

It's sick.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

It's sick.

All horror sequels are a slap in the face. Nobody with any integrity or respect for the main characters should watch them. Just in case something bad happens.

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Martoto

All horror sequels are a slap in the face. Nobody with any integrity or respect for the main characters should watch them. Just in case something bad happens.

Hell, sometimes I stop the original films 10 minutes before the end. I can't handle those last second downer endings.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

Hell, sometimes I stop the original films 10 minutes before the end. I can't handle those last second downer endings.

I demand to know that the main character is going to live happily ever after, including after any possible sequels no later than half way through the movie .

Anything less than certainty, and I'm out.

[Robbie The Robot]

The movie length docco on the Oppenheimer bluray about his life is far more interesting, informative, entertaining and revealing then the three hour typically cold and boring, bloated Nolan slog I found the movie to be.

Alien3 is a facinating watch. As a die hard Alien and Aliens fan it was a let down back in the day but these days I find it a more centred character study on Ripley and her final sacrifice. I like the look and the score. It is clunky in places and the longer cut gives it that middle beat it was sorely lacking in the theatrical.

It’s Weaver’s best take on the character and some amazing acting. I have come to accept not all stories end the way you want them to and in this case aside from some bad effects and editing it is a brave conclusion to her original arc.

I kind of wish it was titled Ripley instead of Alien 3.