Cinderella 4K UHD (1950)

[opa114]

Is the shipped blu ray based on the new 4k uhd master?

[matbezlima]

In the US, yes.

[I-C-Blue]

Originally Posted by Dsneybuf

Hold onto the Diamond Edition if you still want the original soundtrack, deleted songs, or the demo recording of the theme song. (The 4K version doesn't have Tangled Ever After, either, but 1)it has nothing to do with Cinderella, and 2)this shorts compilation includes it as well.)

If one loves Tangled Ever After, keep the Diamond Edition of Cinderella. It is the only one with lossless 7.1 Surround Sound, where as the Pixar Shorts compilation only features 5.1.

[matbezlima]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

If you value character animation, no.

"Overly animated" is a reference to the economy of movement in animation. This might help...

Imagine a beginner actor. The hardest thing an acting student does is learn to just "be". He's on stage, everyone is looking at him. He becomes self-aware, is insecure he's being stared at. He doesn't know what to do with his hands. He's not in the moment. He feels like he should be doing something. He's being judged. He starts over-acting. Gestures too big. Emotes unnaturally, starts playing his part to the back of a theater in another county.

Animators are actors, too. The economy of movement isn't a difficult concept. Nothing in nature moves unless it has to, action motivated by an outside force (the wind blows, a dog barks, the train is pulling away from the station) or an interior force (hunger, internal emotions, internal thoughts, excitement, exhaustion).

Beginning animators struggle with the same insecurities as beginning actors. If the character isn't moving, it's not "alive", it should be doing something. The economy of motion is forgotten, internal and external reactions fall to the insecure need to be doing something.

Bluth's work is like that. Characters in constant busy motion, mugging, exaggerated, too much emphasis on follow-through, characters can't keep their tongues in their mouths, they don't just walk, they bounce...

Go watch the "zoo scene" in The Rescuers, animated by Don Bluth. Over-acting, hasn't learned the economy of motion. Overly broad. And that damn tongue. It's Bluth's calling card, his "tell".

The Rescuers - Bianca and Bernard - YouTube

As for Anastasia, if you ever need to show someone what "rotoscoping" is (tracing live action photostats), here you go...

Anastasia - The Reunion English (BluRay HD) - YouTube

I couldn’t help but remember this discussion after a recent tweet about the animation on Wish, which I will quote and link below.

"Animation veteran Frans Vischer's (Cats Don't Dance, Mickey's Christmas Carol, Roger Rabbit) take on Wish. Important to see an animator pinpoint the exact problems with the animation itself, since the regular viewer might not know how to get across those specific critiques."

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https://twitter.com/thatdaffyduck/st...31115081920612

[Ernest Rister]

Thanks for sharing that, Mat. Much appreciated. Having not seen Wish, I can't comment on the particular work in the film. But the note stands as a general lesson...nothing in nature moves unless it is motivated to do so by interior or exterior forces. It's the hardest thing for beginning actors to learn. The same holds true for animators, but this assumes there aren't notes from higher-ups concerned about modern attention spans, in which case, the animators may not be the problem. Animators have bad directors and producers, too, no different than live action directors and producers.

[Krynoid-Man]

Cinderella (1950) Disney 4K UHD Review: Somehow it's actually good...but it's not perfect - YouTube

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by I-C-Blue

If one loves Tangled Ever After, keep the Diamond Edition of Cinderella. It is the only one with lossless 7.1 Surround Sound, where as the Pixar Shorts compilation only features 5.1.

Is there any big difference in how the two tracks sound? Have you compared?

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Krynoid-Man

Cinderella (1950) Disney 4K UHD Review: Somehow it's actually good...but it's not perfect - YouTube

The first classic Disney animated feature since 2004 on physical that isn't some kind of crime against humanity?

Saludos Amigos and The Three Caballeros on Blu? Dumbo? Ichabod and Mr. Toad/Fun and Fancy Free/The Reluctant Dragon? I remember our grousing about The Rescuers Down Under being sourced from an IP instead of a direct-to-digital port, but at least the color timing was fixed (Cody's shoes no longer olive green as seen on the DVD) and while Roger Rabbit has been revised since its very first home video release (Michael Eisner's home phone number was on a bathroom wall in ToonTown in the original theatrical presentations, scrubbed for home video going back to the first VHS and laser iterations), people have been fairly impressed by the 4K, alterations and all.

ASTOUNDINGLY! INSANE! GIGANTIC!

Ease down, Ripley. Ease down...

[matbezlima]

He is talking more about the main animated features. He is curious about Who Framed Roger Rabbit and The Nightmare Before Christmas in 4K, but hasn't seen them yet. About the package films, I don’t think he knows much about most of them, except when he talked about the censorship on Melody Time even in the DMC blu-ray. I think it was Melody Time, but I'm not sure if I remember correctly.

[gwfb5]

Originally Posted by matbezlima

He is talking more about the main animated features. He is curious about Who Framed Roger Rabbit and The Nightmare Before Christmas in 4K, but hasn't seen them yet. About the package films, I don’t think he knows much about most of them, except when he talked about the censorship on Melody Time even in the DMC blu-ray. I think it was Melody Time, but I'm not sure if I remember correctly.

It was Make Mine Music that was censored.
Pretty sure Melody Time was uncut.

[Hammerlover]

I remember what a treat it was to see THE RELUCTANT DRAGON in HD for the first time.

[matbezlima]

Originally Posted by gwfb5

It was Make Mine Music that was censored.
Pretty sure Melody Time was uncut.

Yes, that’s what I meant, thanks!

[The_Iceflash]

Originally Posted by Krynoid-Man

Cinderella (1950) Disney 4K UHD Review: Somehow it's actually good...but it's not perfect - YouTube

So it says “there sadly seems to have been some grain management..”. So we are not supposed to manage the grain at all?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by matbezlima

I couldn’t help but remember this discussion after a recent tweet about the animation on Wish, which I will quote and link below.

"Animation veteran Frans Vischer's (Cats Don't Dance, Mickey's Christmas Carol, Roger Rabbit) take on Wish. Important to see an animator pinpoint the exact problems with the animation itself, since the regular viewer might not know how to get across those specific critiques."

https://twitter.com/thatdaffyduck/st...31115081920612

Helps though if he could spell heroine and not the drug.

[Monterey Jack]

Watched this morning...the transfer...

[Bernardo A.]

Originally Posted by matbezlima

In the US, yes.

Does it port all extras from the previous Signature disc?

[Dsneybuf]

Except for the demo recording of the theme song.

[samuelkhan999]

Any other Disney animated movies getting the 4k treatment?

https://youtube.com/shorts/iOtVZ_D9S..._oD_t6ylBu66EI

Disney has released pretty much everything that was a best seller on VHS.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by samuelkhan999

Any other Disney animated movies getting the 4k treatment?

https://youtube.com/shorts/iOtVZ_D9S..._oD_t6ylBu66EI

Disney has released pretty much everything that was a best seller on VHS.

I would assume only if Snow White and Cinderella met sales expectations. The only other issue is how many of these animated classics have 4k restorations ready to go.

[samuelkhan999]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I would assume only if Snow White and Cinderella met sales expectations. The only other issue is how many of these animated classics have 4k restorations ready to go.

Well I bought both SWatSD and Cinderella 4k steelbook for 10USD + tax each.