The Abyss 4K UHD (1989)

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Rzzzz

Haha, I am not a vegetarian. My point is anyone who supports a law protecting a rat in a film and eats meat is a hypocrite and needs to watch some U.K. slaughter house videos. I love animals,

[Show spoiler]they taste good!

Not to fall further into the abyss, but we have regulations that should ensure that animals should be treated as humanely as possible (I understand that can be an oxymoron considering the end results), and that's not always the case, we want everything as fast and as cheaply as possible, and that's true of most industries, and there just aren't enough checks being carried out. There should be severe penalties for doing the things in the videos you mentioned.

But saying that those that think laws protecting animal welfare are hypocrites if they eat meat (where most folks would assume and hope the produce they consume is from animals treated well), is a bit of a stretch.

People consume animal products, but I'd hope most agree that laws regulating their welfare is vital.

[Rzzzz]

Originally Posted by chip75

Not to fall further into the abyss, but we have regulations that should ensure that animals should be treated as humanely as possible (I understand that can be an oxymoron considering the end results), and that's not always the case, we want everything as fast and as cheaply as possible, and that's true of most industries, and there just aren't enough checks being carried out. There should be severe penalties for doing the things in the videos you mentioned.

But saying that those that think laws protecting animal welfare are hypocrites if they eat meat (where most folks would assume and hope the produce they consume is from animals treated well), is a bit of a stretch.

People consume animal products, but I'd hope most agree that laws regulating their welfare is vital.

I agree with animal welfare laws. The story of the tiger they almost drowned in The Life Of Pi is heart breaking. It used to be you could trust the trainer/owner to look out for the animals safety but too many Hollywood directors would pressure them to get reckless with their own animals, such as killing multiple horses in one scene with trip wires. I just hate censorship and feel the U.K. law is too draconian and down right absurd.

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by ste71

I get what you mean, in the UK animal welfare is sometimes put before human welfare.

Animals >> humans

[drush9999]

Originally Posted by Markgway

Animals >> humans

I'd rescue my dog from drowning before a stranger drowning. I also love my bacon sarnies

[Alexcap]

not releasing the film In the UK is completely stupid if the rat didn't die while filming or got hurt while filming then they should just release it and as for horse falls in old westerns they are out of date they just presuming that the horses got hurt or killed but since there is no evidence to prove it then why cut them out the law is out of date are they scared of what animal welfare people might do to them if they do release it.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Alexcap

not releasing the film In the UK is completely stupid if the rat didn't die while filming or got hurt while filming then they should just release it and as for horse falls in old westerns they are out of date they just presuming that the horses got hurt or killed but since there is no evidence to prove it then why cut them out the law is out of date are they scared of what animal welfare people might do to them if they do release it.

[thesaxmaniac]

Originally Posted by Alexcap

not releasing the film In the UK is completely stupid if the rat didn't die while filming or got hurt while filming then they should just release it and as for horse falls in old westerns they are out of date they just presuming that the horses got hurt or killed but since there is no evidence to prove it then why cut them out the law is out of date are they scared of what animal welfare people might do to them if they do release it.

I think you might need more punctuation than just a period here, bud.

[By_His_Strypes]

They did cut (or seriously edit) the horse scenes in Conan for the UK.

[Krynoid-Man]

Originally Posted by By_His_Strypes

They did cut (or seriously edit) the horse scenes in Conan for the UK.

Which caused some noticeable jumps in the score IIRC

[George.P]

Is this round 36 on the rat/UK thing?

[HomerThompson]

Originally Posted by thesaxmaniac

I think you might need more punctuation than just a period here, bud.

It’s easier to read it in this voice lol

YouTube

[willieconway]

Originally Posted by Alexcap

not releasing the film In the UK is completely stupid if the rat didn't die while filming or got hurt while filming then they should just release it and as for horse falls in old westerns they are out of date they just presuming that the horses got hurt or killed but since there is no evidence to prove it then why cut them out the law is out of date are they scared of what animal welfare people might do to them if they do release it.

Can we stop pretending that rodent emotional trauma isn’t real please.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

The rat is literally shitting itself with fear due to the experience.

Does it constitute as animal cruelty?
Very likely yes.

Was the production being intentionally malicious and trying to inflict harm to the rat, no.

I understand the reasons why some people and governing bodies may take issue with the scene and sequence. A governing body maybe concerned not just in the welfare of the animal but also the possibility that some individuals, in particular young persons, might try to replicate the event without the actual special oxygenated fluid.

In context of the film it is clear that the rat is safe throughout the experiment, albeit scared shitless, and none of the characters are intentionally trying to harm the rat.

Hippy chastises Monk for his actions which is within character and should inform any naive or mischievous audience member not to replicate this scenario.

[Kinsella5]

Just a friendly reminder that are only two months away until we finally see The Abyss released on 4K UHD. That, and Aliens 4K and True Lies 4K too. :-)

[bigrob]

Originally Posted by Kinsella5

Just a friendly reminder that are only two months away until we finally see The Abyss released on 4K UHD. That, and Aliens 4K and True Lies 4K too. :-)

I miss the wishlist thread.

it was so full of hope and dreams.

[rubystone356]

Originally Posted by bigrob

I miss the wishlist thread.

it was so full of hope and dreams.

And now it's a reality.

Jacob

[DaylightsEnd]

Originally Posted by bigrob

I miss the wishlist thread.

it was so full of misguided delusions.

[gregorydschaben]

Originally Posted by jmorrow5

Out of curiosity I checked out the digital version and boy does it look... well, it looks digital. When a movie shot on film no longer looks like film, it takes me right out of it. It seems Avatar ruined James Cameron and made him far too obsessed with this "clean" digital look. I'm no longer excited for The Terminator on 4K, whenever that day may come.

I'm wondering what service/platform you watched it on? I've watched it on both Prime and iTunes and thought the iTunes with the Dolby Vision color grade was vastly superior. The Prime version (straight HDR) had completely out-of-whack colors and highlights with horrible banding, while on iTunes with DV the colors were much more natural with much greater gradations and almost no banding. It looked almost (almost!) filmlike. It has made me reconsider buying the 4k Blu-ray when it comes out.

[By_His_Strypes]

I couldn't have dreamt of a better presentation for The Abyss. My dreams are not shattered.

[scarecroe]

Originally Posted by Pocketkid2

There's nothing inherently wrong about a film looking clean, digital looks amazing when done right. The problem is detail scrubbing. In this case I think The Abyss is actually surprisingly good and looks much better than more problematic releases like Jurassic Park 4K.

I saw the Fathom Events screening last month and I have mixed feelings.

Although I'm sad that there's absolutely no film grain at all to be seen, they really seem to have gotten the DNR down to a science.

It doesn't look scrubbed of detail or waxy like others I've seen. It's just clean and sharp.

I would prefer a more filmic look though.