Titanic 4K UHD (1997)

[matbezlima]

Of the really old Fox films, The Grapes Of Wrath and All About Eve are undoubtedly the most iconic and demanded. I expect Disney to license them for Criterion UHDs before the end of the decade, though I admit that Disney is yet to license a film for an UHD release besides Wall-E (Rebecca and Notorious were restored by Disney alongside Criterion, and licensed for Criterion to release blu-rays, these are two movies owned by ABC, and Disney owns ABC). In fact, I'm honestly surprised that Disney restored last year the Shirley Temple classic Rebecca Of Sunnybrook Farm, which is a Fox film, before those two far bigger Fox movies, but perhaps it makes sense considering how much Disney has always loved Shirley Temple. Looking forward to when that restoration reaches at least blu-ray. Same for the Hitchcock's Spellbound restoration that Disney also did last year.

Ultimately, Disney needs every penny they can get, hence why they are going to, for example, release in theaters this year three Pixar movies that originally just went to Disney+: Soul, Luca and Turning Red. I doubt Disney would be doing this if they weren't so desperate. Makes me think of how they released streaming exclusive shows, such as Wandavision, Loki's first season, and the first two seasons of The Mandalorian, and a streaming exclusive film, such as Prey.

I will be extremely shocked if Disney doesn't release and/or license at least some of the major classic Fox films on UHD before 2027 (such as The Sound Of Music, Fight Club, Patton, Edward Scissorhands, The Sixth Sense, Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid, The Fly, The Day The Earth Stood Still, All About Eve, The Grapes Of Wrath). I strongly believe it will start this year or next year, not counting the Cameron films.

Ultimately, Fox's brand can be for Disney what the Touchstone seal used to be. In fact, Fox's catalogue and franchises can allow it to be bigger and more successful than Touchstone ever was. One of Bob Iger's biggest mistakes was ending Touchstone in the mid-2000s. Disney is yet to use even 10% of the full potential that Fox's catalogue has to really help Disney. And they need it now, and for the next few years, more than ever.

If I'm not mistaken, Disney has already started doing a Disney+ and Hulu bundle this year. The aim is to truly unify the two services by the end of the year, and Hulu would be the tab for adult films and shows.

[tankryankr19]

Originally Posted by Ben_UK

https://www.hdnumerique.com/dossiers...y-titanic.html

I had a look at the above comparisons, i saw that there was an AI glitch on one of the last comparison images. How these things can be just let go and released into the wild is beyond belief.

It's funny how beautiful the Blu-Ray looks in comparison to that shot

[escvnte]

Originally Posted by matbezlima

I will be extremely shocked if Disney doesn't release and/or license at least some of the major classic Fox films on UHD before 2027 (Fight Club)

I wouldn't be surprised if they decide NOT to release Fight Club in 4K.
Considering the "controversial" theme of Fight Club, other than being not-so politically-correct, I think it would never make it to 4K, if it remains in Disney hands.

We didn't even got a 4K release for the 30th Anniversary of Falling Down (yes, it's not Disney/FOX. But, still. WB didn't bothered to remaster that classic in 4K), let alone Fight Club.

[matbezlima]

I said "release and/or license". Criterion would be a good candidate for Fight Club to be licensed to. Disney has licensed films to Criterion before, though no UHDs yet, besides Wall-E.

Also, Disney needs every penny they can get.

TCM was able to air the uncensored version of The French Connection not too long ago, and Disney owns that film. I think that film will see an UHD before the end of the decade, and it's even more controversial than Fight Club.

Overall, I really don't like when I make these long and detailed comments that I put good effort into, and then people choose to focus on only one tiny thing in a way that seems to miss almost all of my many general points.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5398

[matbezlima]

Regarding Falling Down, Warner has plenty of far bigger catalog movies that need to see UHD, as Warner is slow and often takes so long that they even skip anniversaries (such as Ben-Hur, Gone With The Wind and North By Northwest not getting UHDs in 2019), though they have improved a lot last year the amount of classic catalogue UHDs they make. I highly bet on Gone With The Wind and Ben-Hur getting UHDs this year, and we already know that the next TCM festival will premiere new restorations of North By Northwest and The Searchers, the latter being a film that had some very loud voices not too long ago wanting to cancel it (and John Ford's westerns in general), such as Tarantino and, if I'm not mistaken, Spike Lee and Ang Lee.

[escvnte]

Originally Posted by matbezlima

I said "release and/or license". Criterion would be a good candidate for Fight Club to be licensed to. Disney has licensed films to Criterion before, though no UHDs yet, besides Wall-E.

Also, Disney needs every penny they can get.

Criterion or even Studio Canal.
Both make great releases (not counting T2).
They would probably make a great 4K release. That's for sure.
But I don't think it will happen anytime soon, though.

And, yes. I know that some studios have licensed releases to Criterion, Shout Factory, Studio Canal, Kino and VS.


So more than likely Disney will choose that path, should they decide to have a 4K release of Fight Club.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by escvnte

Criterion or even Studio Canal.
Both make great releases (not counting T2).
They would probably make a great 4K release. That's for sure.
But I don't think it will happen anytime soon, though.

And, yes. I know that some studios have licensed releases to Criterion, Shout Factory, Studio Canal, Kino and VS.


So more than likely Disney will choose that path, should they decide to have a 4K release of Fight Club.

They're not going to license to Studio Canal. The big players pretty much don't license to eachother unless it's something they own the rights to in some shape or form.

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by matbezlima

I said "release and/or license". Criterion would be a good candidate for Fight Club to be licensed to. Disney has licensed films to Criterion before, though no UHDs yet, besides Wall-E.

Also, Disney needs every penny they can get.

Disney would make the disc or at least the disc contents and license it to Criterion. After the Anchor Bay deal, Disney refuses to trust any boutique and hands them what is allowed.

Wall-E, like previous Criterion releases of Walt Disney Company titles, is essentially a Disney disc with Criterion clothing.

Mill Creek was basically given the disc masters for the out of print titles while Disney still handled artwork and design. And quite a few dozen of these went out of print while 20th still handled distribution.

As for Fight Club, Disney does not care about the film content for 20th. They just care if it makes them money. This whole Disney is PC BS needs to end because it is 98% not true. Disney still promotes The Rocky Horror Picture Show, Omen, and True Lies. Disney has also licensed a number of 20th titles to Netflix including Black Swan and Taken.

[matbezlima]

The Criterion UHD of Wall-E uses the same Master as the Disney UHD, but it has Dolby Vision and it has been slightly noise-filtered. The denoising and the bad encoding of the HDR10 layer make the Disney disc far superior if you are not Dolby Vision-capable, as the banding is really ugly in the Criterion UHD in HDR10-only. But if you are Dolby Vision-capable, the Criterion UHD is definitive, and it even fixes any minor banding that existed on Disney's UHD!

Regarding licensing, I've heard that a major reason why Disney is yet to truly get into the licensing game for the UHD format is because Disney makes abusive demands from the boutique labels, likely how much share of the profit goes to Disney. And the boutique labels don't want such horrible deals. Even a boutique label is not doing charity, they also need to make some good profit on the releases.

[Riddhi2011]

Can anyone explain this to me? How is it that I am seeing tone mapped colours on the Titanic UHD on my monitor without altering any image attributes, but when VLC takes screenshots, it shows a Grey (not-tone mapped) image?

1. What I am seeing (w/o any adjustments)-



2. What VLC screenshot is capturing -



My monitor is the Benq SW240 (10 bit, SDR). Mode - DCI-P3 (Default settings).

[escvnte]

It's simple: not all players/thumbnails makers are able to decode the HDR information.
You might wanna use Windows built-in snapshot to capture what It's actually playing or use another player.

[escvnte]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

They're not going to license to Studio Canal. The big players pretty much don't license to eachother unless it's something they own the rights to in some shape or form.

StudioCanal actually has the rights for Fight Club, as they did released a Blu-ray with DTS-HR 7.1 (at least in Germany).
Same goes for the SAW 1-7 movies.
So I think they might have some sort of deal with FOX/Disney and Lionsgate.

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by escvnte

It's simple: not all players/thumbnails makers are able to decode the HDR information.
You might wanna use Windows built-in snapshot to capture what It's actually playing or use another player.

Thanks.

By the way, I was pleasantly surprised to discover that the opening Fox logo on the UHD has the film gate weave intact, which I absolutely LOVE! The gate weave is non-existent on the US disc's Paramount logo and the rest of the film (both US and EU). I think the Fox logo was added by Disney UK/EU authoring artistes themselves and not by Lightstorm/Cameron/Park Road post. They just took the 4K version of the logo from their digital library and added it before the movie without bothering to remove the weave. And the result is a delight! A happy accident, I must say. At least some remnant of the original film experience still exists on the EUR discs.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by escvnte

StudioCanal actually has the rights for Fight Club, as they did released a Blu-ray with DTS-HR 7.1 (at least in Germany).
Same goes for the SAW 1-7 movies.
So I think they might have some sort of deal with FOX/Disney and Lionsgate.

That means they have the rights to it in Germany, not that it's being licensed to them from Disney.

[starmike]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

the UHD has the film gate weave intact

Where? It's not in this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-QLwuLgP28

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by starmike

Where? It's not in this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-QLwuLgP28

It's very much there. Look closely and see how the words "A news Corporation Company" shakes lightly as the logo becomes stationary before fading out.

[starmike]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

It's very much there. Look closely and see how the words "A news Corporation Company" shakes lightly as the logo becomes stationary before fading out.

Ok, it's BARELY there, and you can't say for sure if it's actual "gate weave" or if the logo was duped that way.

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by starmike

Ok, it's BARELY there, and you can't say for sure if it's actual "gate weave" or if the logo was duped that way.

There is no reason for them to intentionally recreate the gate weave, given that the rest of the movie in this 4K version does not have gate weave. The US Paramount logo does not have gate weave either. The only plausible explanation, I feel, is that its an actual gate weave from the film scanner and it exists on their digital master copy, which they added before the film for this release. Even if it's a digitally created gate weave, which doesn't make sense in this case, I won't be disappointed as it looks very convincing to me.

[starmike]

No, I mean someone poorly made a Fox logo master. Is that same aberration on other Fox films? If so, that's why it's there.

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by starmike

No, I mean someone poorly made a Fox logo master. Is that same aberration on other Fox films? If so, that's why it's there.

To each his own. To me, that gate weave is a delightful reminder of celluloid film projection and film masters that don't have excessive artificial image stabilisation on them. Oppenheimer's home video releases and theatrical prints/DCPs also have them. The Holdovers has gate weave artificially added on the image.