Electric Man 3D Blu-ray (2012) [Region Free] [BD-R]

[HarrySullivan]

Crazy choice of movie to go for so early in the series, it was never going to sell. Hopefully the series continues though, maybe this can be put out years down the line and all the work won't have gone to waste. Once people have seventeen of these discs perhaps they will be more likely to chuck £20 at this just out of habit!

Just like those who have backed this, I am voting with my wallet here by NOT backing it. IMO, it looks like a poor movie and 3D isn't going to make it watchable. [I'm one of those nutters that puts watchability top of my list when buying discs and doesn't care much about slipcovers. ]

To think we could be a month away from a 3D release of Last Man on Earth or Carnival of Souls but instead...

[Magyalmar]

Originally Posted by HarrySullivan

Crazy choice of movie to go for so early in the series, it was never going to sell. Hopefully the series continues though, maybe this can be put out years down the line and all the work won't have gone to waste. Once people have seventeen of these discs perhaps they will be more likely to chuck £20 at this just out of habit!

Just like those who have backed this, I am voting with my wallet here by NOT backing it. IMO, it looks like a poor movie and 3D isn't going to make it watchable. [I'm one of those nutters that puts watchability top of my list when buying discs and doesn't care much about slipcovers. ]

To think we could be a month away from a 3D release of Last Man on Earth or Carnival of Souls but instead...

Same feeling here, unfortunately. If the movie is any good then the trailer has a really hard time showing it. I'll wait for Last Man on Earth.

[HarrySullivan]

Originally Posted by Magyalmar

Same feeling here, unfortunately. If the movie is any good then the trailer has a really hard time showing it. I'll wait for Last Man on Earth.

Vincent is always a winner, although Carnival of Souls is my own fave for the 3D treatment. I wonder how many viable public domain titles there actually are?

The PD issue getting all that publicity recently with Mickey Mouse serves as a reminder though that there are always more new old movies becoming available! If the 95 years rule applies more widely the likes of Lon Chaney and Buster Keaton are coming along and a mere 12 years until we can have the Lugosi and Karloff classics! The capabilities of AI in 2036 should be amazing too [if it hasn't killed us all ].

[DVS3D]

Originally Posted by HarrySullivan

Crazy choice of movie to go for so early in the series, it was never going to sell.

Not everyone has the same taste, fortunately, and if you don't try something then you don't know. If I hadn't tried converting and releasing "Nightmare Castle" I wouldn't have known it may have been of interest to an audience. There was certainly moans and groans about my choice in that instance too. I thoroughly enjoyed Nightmare Castle, I found the quirky dubbed dialogue highly entertaining and loved the classic comic book simplicity of the horror story's love and revenge narrative. Not everyone would feel that way.

Also it needs to be understood ALL of this was done and decided prior to releasing NC, about a year ago, so everything from there is a learning.

If anyone is actually interested in the choices and sequence I wrote about our Phase One releases in a new years blog post.

Originally Posted by HarrySullivan

Hopefully the series continues though, maybe this can be put out years down the line and all the work won't have gone to waste.

Obviously having spent something like 9 months on the conversion it stings to see it not going as well as we'd hoped - in my naivety I had thought that we would have enough support and goodwill from the 3D community to be able to sell a couple of hundred discs. Worldwide. I mean 200 discs, that's not much right? In the entire world?

If "Electric Man 3D" doesn't hit it's target we will have to review our processes in that we can't really spend THAT amount of time on any conversion without a firm commitment from backers - that's a really important lesson I take away from this.

The only current way I can see this working is we pre-sell prior to a conversion but this means there will likely be a year between selling and shipping... I'm not sure how well that will go down.

Originally Posted by HarrySullivan

Just like those who have backed this, I am voting with my wallet here by NOT backing it. IMO, it looks like a poor movie and 3D isn't going to make it watchable. [I'm one of those nutters that puts watchability top of my list when buying discs and doesn't care much about slipcovers. ]

A couple of points here - it is obviously everyone's prerogative whether to support any release but as we have no other income in relation to these film conversions, it does mean (as mentioned above) we'd need to really review how we can make this work, if we can, going forwards. There's no guarantee anyone will buy any disc so whatever we do is a risk. There's no real profit to be made from selling really small volume, even if we raised the unit cost.

Secondly, I'm totally with you, actually it's a good or interesting story more than anything I'm interested in... in terms of 3D movies I've barely seen a Marvel film and preferred the more esoteric Leda than the "major's" releases last year.

You might like to see how EMAN stacks up on IMDB ratings, which is completely independent of anything we influence, and where it stands in relation to some recent 3d Blu-ray releases:

• Robot Monster - 3.0
• Man who wasn't there - 3.8
• Nightmare Castle - 5.7
• House on Haunted Hill - 6.8
• Electric Man - 7.2
• Avatar (way of water) - 7.6
• Guardians of The Galaxy - 7.9

Originally Posted by HarrySullivan

To think we could be a month away from a 3D release of Last Man on Earth or Carnival of Souls but instead...

There will be further announcements in due course.

[DVS3D]

I thought we'd share a bit more of Phil's conversion work so here's his "just-for-fun" conversion of the trailer for the Marvel TV Show "Moon Knight". Just imagine if we could get all our favourite shows in 3D!

FIND OUT MORE AND SEE THE TRAILER HERE.

[deltatauhobbit]

Originally Posted by DVS3D

The only current way I can see this working is we pre-sell prior to a conversion but this means there will likely be a year between selling and shipping... I'm not sure how well that will go down.

That's generally what crowdfunding is meant to be, help get projects off the ground. Sure, plenty of projects use it as a form of pre-order but Kickstarter takes quite a cut. If you're already done you might as well sell direct and use your previous campaigns to send out updates on how you can buy it that way to avoid losing the percentage.

If you're upfront about the timeline (and make sure to put buffer time upfront in that estimate), then it shouldn't be an issue. When 3DFA did their Kickstarter for September Storm, I believe it took around 6-7 months for the blu-ray to be shipped out. Heck, I'm still waiting on a few documentaries after several years, so even a year is short in crowdfunding terms.

[DVS3D]

Originally Posted by deltatauhobbit

If you're upfront about the timeline (and make sure to put buffer time upfront in that estimate), then it shouldn't be an issue. When 3DFA did their Kickstarter for September Storm, I believe it took around 6-7 months for the blu-ray to be shipped out. Heck, I'm still waiting on a few documentaries after several years, so even a year is short in crowdfunding terms.

As we obviously have others in the pipeline I think we'll get those out over the course of 2024 but will still start to look at possible future potential releases and Kickstarter on those prior to commencing anything more.

[Gone2HiDef]

Originally Posted by DVS3D

Not everyone has the same taste, fortunately, and if you don't try something then you don't know. If I hadn't tried converting and releasing "Nightmare Castle" I wouldn't have known it may have been of interest to an audience. There was certainly moans and groans about my choice in that instance too. I thoroughly enjoyed Nightmare Castle, I found the quirky dubbed dialogue highly entertaining and loved the classic comic book simplicity of the horror story's love and revenge narrative. Not everyone would feel that way.

Also it needs to be understood ALL of this was done and decided prior to releasing NC, about a year ago, so everything from there is a learning.

If anyone is actually interested in the choices and sequence I wrote about our Phase One releases in a new years blog post.



Obviously having spent something like 9 months on the conversion it stings to see it not going as well as we'd hoped - in my naivety I had thought that we would have enough support and goodwill from the 3D community to be able to sell a couple of hundred discs. Worldwide. I mean 200 discs, that's not much right? In the entire world?

If "Electric Man 3D" doesn't hit it's target we will have to review our processes in that we can't really spend THAT amount of time on any conversion without a firm commitment from backers - that's a really important lesson I take away from this.

The only current way I can see this working is we pre-sell prior to a conversion but this means there will likely be a year between selling and shipping... I'm not sure how well that will go down.



A couple of points here - it is obviously everyone's prerogative whether to support any release but as we have no other income in relation to these film conversions, it does mean (as mentioned above) we'd need to really review how we can make this work, if we can, going forwards. There's no guarantee anyone will buy any disc so whatever we do is a risk. There's no real profit to be made from selling really small volume, even if we raised the unit cost.

Secondly, I'm totally with you, actually it's a good or interesting story more than anything I'm interested in... in terms of 3D movies I've barely seen a Marvel film and preferred the more esoteric Leda than the "major's" releases last year.

You might like to see how EMAN stacks up on IMDB ratings, which is completely independent of anything we influence, and where it stands in relation to some recent 3d Blu-ray releases:

• Robot Monster - 3.0
• Man who wasn't there - 3.8
• Nightmare Castle - 5.7
• House on Haunted Hill - 6.8
• Electric Man - 7.2
• Avatar (way of water) - 7.6
• Guardians of The Galaxy - 7.9

There will be further announcements in due course.

Thanks for sharing your blog post. I appreciate where you guys are coming from. It's not just a passion, you're also aspiring to make this a viable resource for the 3D community, creating these three different test cases for yourselves as you go. But after two KS campaigns, this third trial - so far at least - hasn't been met with the kind of enthusiasm and support you hoped for. And that's a bummer.

I discovered you guys during House on Haunted Hill. I've always wanted to see it, and your 3D release piqued my interest. I ended up loving the 3D upgrade. And I do love me some slipcover action. LOL And your graphic designs are great, so keep 'em coming.

I pledged to support you guys on Electric Man 3D and because you hit my sweet spot, comic books. I never heard of Electric Man, but I'm game for a blind buy. So I do hope Electric Man 3D manages to get funded. At some point I'll probably pick up Nightmare Castle too.

[DVS3D]

Originally Posted by Gone2HiDef

Thanks for sharing your blog post. I appreciate where you guys are coming from. It's not just a passion, you're also aspiring to make this a viable resource for the 3D community, creating these three different test cases for yourselves as you go. But after two KS campaigns, this third trial - so far at least - hasn't been met with the kind of enthusiasm and support you hoped for. And that's a bummer.

I know this forum is a microcosm of the 3d enthusiasts community so it's always good to hear people's thoughts, but I wanted to be as open as possible to everyone so they know where we're coming from but also so there's an understanding of the real state of the 3D market - I'm not expecting everyone to buy every 3D disc that comes out but I am surprised at quite how small this market actually appears to be.

I know obviously the bigger films will be much bigger multiples but for example something like David Cronenberg's eXistenZ 4K disc which Vinegar Syndrome put out last year, which I'd argue isn't exactly mainstream, sold out 10K copies very, very quickly. I know it's different, way different to Electric Man, but it does show that there is demand for physical media, just not sure if there is that much for 3D.

It's important to say we're still really amazed and appreciative of the support we've had, it is really fantastic to see so many positive comments... now we just need to turn that into cash flow.

Perhaps as the pirates are getting away with what they do the market is even worse? Why pay quite a bit for an old PD film converted to 3D when you can download a homebrew "Back to The Future" 3D conversion for "free"?

[the13thman]

Originally Posted by DVS3D

I know this forum is a microcosm of the 3d enthusiasts community so it's always good to hear people's thoughts, but I wanted to be as open as possible to everyone so they know where we're coming from but also so there's an understanding of the real state of the 3D market - I'm not expecting everyone to buy every 3D disc that comes out but I am surprised at quite how small this market actually appears to be.

I know obviously the bigger films will be much bigger multiples but for example something like David Cronenberg's eXistenZ 4K disc which Vinegar Syndrome put out last year, which I'd argue isn't exactly mainstream, sold out 10K copies very, very quickly. I know it's different, way different to Electric Man, but it does show that there is demand for physical media, just not sure if there is that much for 3D.

It's important to say we're still really amazed and appreciative of the support we've had, it is really fantastic to see so many positive comments... now we just need to turn that into cash flow.

Perhaps as the pirates are getting away with what they do the market is even worse? Why pay quite a bit for an old PD film converted to 3D when you can download a homebrew "Back to The Future" 3D conversion for "free"?

It's hardly a surprise that Existenz sold so well, it's a popular film in a premium package. Collectors love that stuff.

As for piracy, everything that gets released gets pirated. But whether it's a download or a BD-R, it's of little value to a true collector compared to the real thing. If what you're selling is only a download or BD-R then that's more difficult, you need extras and good packaging but ultimately it's the film on the disc that people are paying for. People will pay to have their favourite films converted, that much is clear.