Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Bill Hunt at Bits weighs in on the Sony/Disney disc deal with a long post, here.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

There's a new disc rental service out there called Choovie:

https://www.choovierentals.com/

They have 4K disc selections. Here's their prices:

https://www.choovierentals.com/subscribe/

Thanks for the heads up!!

Are you going to give it a try? Just did a quick glance at their selection and there was a lot of older titles there. Next week I plan to look more closely at their offerings.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Not true. For my tests and review processes I have both fiber and cable internet. Both at 1.5 gbps. The both shown to be 1.5 gbps (burst) with around 1 gbps (sustained)

That poster lives under a rock. I have pointed him to this DOCSIS info more than once. Apparently all that info must have him really . In the time he has been in this thread he has never posted any technical info i.e., technical drawings, internet speed test, specific test on any given provider, etc. That is true for most other members as well but they do not continually post BS here.

[Vilya]

Meet my 600th 4K UHD disc title!



This steelbook is a hard item to get one's hands upon, but I got it. It's a beaut, too!

[Vilya]

These also arrived over the past couple of days:

[Vilya]

My two days of treatment went very well. The back procedure hurt quite a bit, but it greatly reduced my pain afterwards. The effect only lasts a day or two, but this was only the first round of 3. The third round is where we hope to relieve the pain for about a year. Each round is three weeks apart.

Thanks to everyone for the well wishes!

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Thanks for the heads up!!

Are you going to give it a try? Just did a quick glance at their selection and there was a lot of older titles there. Next week I plan to look more closely at their offerings.

I'm tempted but unless I am reading it wrong it looks like you're rental tier is capped to a certain number of titles per month.

I'll have to take a closer look and see.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Fiber is Now, using anything else will become Obsolete.

Fiber is important. All 11 of my doctors agree.

Originally Posted by alchav21

I can watch just about anything I want, no Disc needed.

With my owning 600 4K UHD disc titles, 4,992 blu-rays, and 3,909 DVDs, I can watch damn near everything that I want, no flaky internet needed.

I also use some streaming services: Netflix, Max, Amazon Prime, Tubi, the Roku Channel plus I have a fair sized digital collection. I have the best of both worlds.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Meet my 600th 4K UHD disc title!



This steelbook is a hard item to get one's hands upon, but I got it. It's a beaut, too!

Just watched this, very nice.

My kids who are abroad will enjoy the included digital copy.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Not true. For my tests and review processes I have both fiber and cable internet. Both at 1.5 gbps. The both shown to be 1.5 gbps (burst) with around 1 gbps (sustained)

My experience has been different..I was with Rogers for over 25 years- playing the cancelation game every 2 years before a rep would call me back with a better deal a day or two before my "end" date...I was never unhappy with their speed (I always went fur to teir) or even reliability... Sometime over COVID, they were having difficulty in my neighborhood over a cut line right as my term was coming due.
A fine young cannibal from BELL took advantage of the situation and was canvassing the neighborhood offering ridiculous deals for their new FIBE service. I literally had the ROGERS rep on the phone with me as the BELL kid was making his pitch. I would have stayed with them if they could have just matched the offer price wise. I wasn't really interested in anything faster than the gigabit service as I didn't think I had anything that could take advantage of the higher speed...
Long story short, the BELL FIBE in my neighborhood kills the old ROGERS cable service. It NEVER fluctuates day or night... my son's super computer gets a constant 3GB signal and every thing else in my house 1GB without fail no matter the test, or time of day.
I never gave any thought to my upload speed before. My son works from home 3 days a week and often has to upload large files. He tells me that the new setup is invaluable to his workforce...

Anyways, I can see that ROGERS is currently working at upgrading my neighborhood to fiber as well so that renegotiating with BELL should be easier next round..LOL..

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That poster lives under a rock.

You live with your Head Buried, and only smart in your own mind. I gave you many times how my Sony UHD TV is connected, and how I use IPTV and Google Android Apps to give me the Fantastic Video and Sound which is not Rocket Science! Here are the Speed Test results and a Video on InfoWest

InfoWest Speedtest
Download100.88Mbps Upload100.68Mbps

Go Fiber Powered by InfoWest - YouTube

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Meet my 600th 4K UHD disc title!



This steelbook is a hard item to get one's hands upon, but I got it. It's a beaut, too!

That steelbook makes me hungry.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

My experience has been different..I was with Rogers for over 25 years- playing the cancelation game every 2 years before a rep would call me back with a better deal a day or two before my "end" date...I was never unhappy with their speed (I always went fur to teir) or even reliability... Sometime over COVID, they were having difficulty in my neighborhood over a cut line right as my term was coming due.
A fine young cannibal from BELL took advantage of the situation and was canvassing the neighborhood offering ridiculous deals for their new FIBE service. I literally had the ROGERS rep on the phone with me as the BELL kid was making his pitch. I would have stayed with them if they could have just matched the offer price wise. I wasn't really interested in anything faster than the gigabit service as I didn't think I had anything that could take advantage of the higher speed...
Long story short, the BELL FIBE in my neighborhood kills the old ROGERS cable service. It NEVER fluctuates day or night... my son's super computer gets a constant 3GB signal and every thing else in my house 1GB without fail no matter the test, or time of day.
I never gave any thought to my upload speed before. My son works from home 3 days a week and often has to upload large files. He tells me that the new setup is invaluable to his workforce...

Anyways, I can see that ROGERS is currently working at upgrading my neighborhood to fiber as well so that renegotiating with BELL should be easier next round..LOL..

Bell updated my neighbourhood 2 years ago but their fibre optic burial cable install has been quite a disaster. Several houses around my house switched to Bell just to realize that their connection is faulty. But instead of fixing the fibre for every house, they tapped the fibre going into my house and re-distribute that cable to all of those houses… for the full two years. They didn’t do squat even when I complained. I had to physically cut my fibre until they showed up and fix everyone’s house connection. During those two years, I shared my Rogers connection to both houses besides me as their Fibe keeps going in and out multiple times each day.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You live with your Head Buried, and only smart in your own mind. I gave you many times how my Sony UHD TV is connected, and how I use IPTV and Google Android Apps to give me the Fantastic Video and Sound which is not Rocket Science! Here are the Speed Test results and a Video on InfoWest

InfoWest Speedtest
Download100.88Mbps Upload100.68Mbps

Go Fiber Powered by InfoWest - YouTube

But according to your logic the faster internet will give me better streaming quality right? So I guess 1.5 gbps internet is not fast enough? Because all my streaming services look and sound a lot worse than any of my 6000 discs.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You live with your Head Buried, and only smart in your own mind. I gave you many times how my Sony UHD TV is connected, and how I use IPTV and Google Android Apps to give me the Fantastic Video and Sound which is not Rocket Science!

Well you missed the point, again. One does not need FTTH to get really high speed, DOCSIS 3.0 from 2006 is capable of 1 Gbps which is 10 times what you currently have. Just checked my down speed, it was 270 Mbps, need to swap my modem then I will have 500 Mbps service.

My smarts or lack of is not the issue. The fact is, has been and likely to remain the A/V streaming from most of providers is relative low bit rate compared to disc. END OF STORY!!!!

A little of my background is just one click away on any post I make here and AVS, been that way for almost 19 years. Below is a surround encoder that I designed and constructed in the 80's. Look at the differential inputs and tell the good folks here how the values I used are not optimum.

[Show spoiler]

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

But according to your logic the faster internet will give me better streaming quality right? So I guess 1.5 gbps internet is not fast enough? Because all my streaming services look and sound a lot worse than any of my 6000 discs.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Well you missed the point, again. One does not need FTTH to get really high speed, DOCSIS 3.0 from 2006 is capable of 1 Gbps which is 10 times what you currently have. Just checked my down speed, it was 270 Mbps, need to swap my modem then I will have 500 Mbps service.

My smarts or lack of is not the issue. The fact is, has been and likely to remain the A/V streaming from most of providers is relative low bit rate compared to disc. END OF STORY!!!!

I never said faster Internet Speeds will give you better Streaming, but I did say Symmetrical Speeds of 100/100Mbps will give you Rock Solid Streaming. People think that Burst of down with minimal up is all you need. Here is an Article from 2021 that talks about The Future of Symmetrical Speeds...End of Story!

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/0...nternet-speeds

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I did say Symmetrical Speeds of 100/100Mbps will give you Rock Solid Streaming.

Like everything else that you endlessly repeat, you are wrong.

You do not need symmetrical internet for streaming and having it will give you no advantage over those that do not.

Not one streaming service provider lists an upload speed requirement in order to use their service. Not a single damn one. They only list download speed requirements because upload speed is a non-factor.

Netflix's speed requirements are stated here:

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/306

Do you see any listed upload speed requirement? No, you do not because upload speeds are irrelevant for receiving streamed content.

Speed requirements for other services can be found here:

https://www.highspeedinternet.com/re...st%2025%20Mbps.

No mention of upload speed requirements for any of them. End of story.

If you had bothered to read the article that you linked to you would have noticed that there was no mention made of streaming movies. The need for improved upload speed was attributed to:

"The pandemic underscored this, as people moved to remote socializing, remote learning, remote work, telehealth, and many other services that require high upload speeds and capacity."

Receiving streamed movies has never required "high upload speeds." If it did, each streaming provider would state such a requirement as they do with download speeds. Again, NO streaming service states any upload speed requirement for any level of streaming quality.

You either don't read what you link to or you can't understand what you do read. Lazy at best and beyond sad at worst.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Like everything else that you endlessly repeat, you are wrong.

You do not need symmetrical internet for streaming and having it will give you no advantage over those that do not.

Hang in there I Love You Man! I don't have any problems, you guys are the ones that do. So there must be a reason. Here is more information on Symmetrical Internet Speeds. I say better Connectivity Communication!

https://www.bing.com/search?q=does+1...&ghacc=0&ghpl=

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Hang in there I Love You Man! I don't have any problems, you guys are the ones that do. So there must be a reason. Here is more information on Symmetrical Internet Speeds. I say better Connectivity Communication!

https://www.bing.com/search?q=does+1...&ghacc=0&ghpl=

Internet service stability and reliable CDN performance depends upon many variables and these will impact the streaming viewing experience greatly. Increasing my upload speed to match my download speed will have zero impact upon how well either my ISP or the CDNs are working.

Again, NO streaming service provider lists an upload speed requirement for any level of streaming quality. Why do you think that is? You constantly claim expertise in all things internet, so how come no upload requirements are stated by anyone? The answer is obvious to everyone but you: there is no upload requirement because upload speeds are beyond negligible to receive a video stream.

Lastly, no one needs a link to your search results page; it does not prove anything that you have said.

[mi_z]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Bill Hunt at Bits weighs in on the Sony/Disney disc deal with a long post, here.

Very good to hear. Hopefully this leads to more catalogue, especially Fox, in the future. I wonder what will happen in Europe though.