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Texitura · 09-12-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JadedRaverLA

Oh, yeah... a question. Can we please bribe Warner to go BD elusive and get this nonsense over with?

I really wish BDA would just pay WB to go Blu. Not just to end the format war, though. I really want to see the HD VD fans explain how Toshiba paying off studios is perfectly OK while BDA doing the same thing is consummate evil.

ReduxInflux · 09-12-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Deciazulado

It was answered. A long time ago.

thank you. probably why my question never got a response.

LynxFX · 09-12-2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

PiP is mainly used for video commentary tracks

While there will be other uses down the line, they're at least a year away, maybe more

Well the most hyped PiP so far has been the 300 'raw bluescreen' footage track which wasn't a commentary track and could be quite useful on it's own.

But the real question is, can a PiP track be played by itself on BD, or even HD DVD for that matter? If it can, I believe that takes away pretty much any argument about Profile 1.0 players which let's face it, are in low numbers and will soon be vastly outnumbered by Profile 1.1 and higher players.

MatrixS2000 · 09-12-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kjack

Gee, HD DVD players can have the same "problem" then...

Thanks Kjack - good to see you posting here.

Edit - btw just saw your answer to the 1.1 disc not playing on the 1.0 player you posted on AVS (and the bs that followed). Thanks making the truth clear....you can lead a horse to water but idiots will always be idiots....

I hope you don't mind me copying your post here for everyone to see.

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All new content is tested on prototype, pre-production, current and older players with various firmware versions. We even do this at Sigma just for our own QA purposes. We also had to do it for a few years for DVD when it first came out.

If a profile 1.1 disc is played in a 1.0 player, the API specifies how the player is to respond to the 1.1-specific calls.

monkyman · 09-13-2007, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lch

1st gen player that can play rumoured scifi tl51

I just returned from the Future where I learned the TL51 is a Terminator model built by Toshiba that will be sent back to our current time, to terminate all bluray owners.

The good news is that it locks up frequently and may need to be boiled between terminations.

richteer · 09-13-2007, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gandley

So Amir now claiming there are 5 BD profiles.

Can talk comment on this?

I am not Talk, but I can tell you this: as usual, the A-Man is full of it. The very definition of Profile 1.1 includes some local, non-volatile memory (at least 256 MB, IIRC). Similarly, Profile 2.0 mandates at least 1GB of non-volatile memory. There's no such thing as a Profile 1.1 or 2.0 player with no local memory.

hoser · 09-13-2007, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by richteer

I am not Talk, but I can tell you this: as usual, the A-Man is full of it. The very definition of Profile 1.1 includes some local, non-volatile memory (at least 256 MB, IIRC). Similarly, Profile 2.0 mandates at least 1GB of non-volatile memory. There's no such thing as a Profile 1.1 or 2.0 player with no local memory.

The thing about FUD, is if you say it enough times it becomes reality to some people.
We see this in politics, religion, and even in this little optical disc Format War....

kjack · 09-13-2007, 01:41 PM

There was a list of companies making HD DVD and BD players -- could someone please point me to it?

kjack · 09-13-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

....you can lead a horse to water but idiots will always be idiots.....

I wouldn't call them idiots. Most have their agenda (kill Blu-ray), so are not interested in anything that doesn't help them accomplish that goal.

Anyway, here's our new Blu-ray player reference design board, designed to get OEMs/ODMs into production as quickly and easily as possible. A profile 1.1 reference design player, complete with case and drive, will be demo'd at CEATEC in a couple of weeks.

scott1256ca · 09-13-2007, 02:08 PM

Keith:

So what would that board be capable of?

Looks like 7.1 analog out?

TrueHD decoding on board? Raw over HDMI?
DTS HDMA decoding on board? Raw over HDMI?

Based on one of your previous responses would I be correct in assuming SD PiP, and not HD?

Thanks

WickyWoo · 09-13-2007, 02:11 PM

Very pretty Keith

Loooks like a pretty small form factor too. Personally I like my electronics built like a tank, but DVD players have proven people like the small, and it's definately cheaper to build

lch · 09-13-2007, 02:18 PM

the board is 1.1 ?
ethernet port is on it = upgradable to 2.0 ?

dialog_gvf · 09-13-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kjack

Anyway, here's our new Blu-ray player reference design board, designed to get OEMs/ODMs into production as quickly and easily as possible. A profile 1.1 reference design player, complete with case and drive, will be demo'd at CEATEC in a couple of weeks.

That's a beautiful thing!

I've always found a correlation between the engineering of the motherboard and the overall quality of the product it's used in. Maybe it is simply pride by all involved to raise their bar to the level of the board.

Congratulations Keith, to you and all the folks involved!

Gary

kjack · 09-13-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scott1256ca

So what would that board be capable of?

Wow, 10 seconds after posting...

7.1 analog out
Dolby TrueHD 7.1 decoding or bitstream over HDMI
DTS-HD MA 7.1 decoding or bitstream over HDMI
1080p24 and 1080p60 output supported

This particular design supports SD PiP and can support Profile 2. That's all I'll say for now.

aygie · 09-13-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kjack

Wow, 10 seconds after posting...

7.1 analog out
Dolby TrueHD 7.1 decoding or bitstream over HDMI
DTS-HD MA 7.1 decoding or bitstream over HDMI
1080p24 and 1080p60 output supported

This particular design supports SD PiP and can support Profile 2. That's all I'll say for now.

Awesome

dialog_gvf · 09-13-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kjack

7.1 analog out
Dolby TrueHD 7.1 decoding or bitstream over HDMI
DTS-HD MA 7.1 decoding or bitstream over HDMI
1080p24 and 1080p60 output supported

This particular design supports SD PiP and can support Profile 2. That's all I'll say for now.

Mine!

WickyWoo · 09-13-2007, 02:21 PM

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ethernet port is on it = upgradable to 2.0 ?

Needs to have 1GB onboard for that

KJack- Would some kind of USB slot qualify for the non-volitile memory requirement? In other words can somene slap in a thumbdrive, or do they not want it removeable for copy protection reasons?

kjack · 09-13-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Needs to have 1GB onboard for that

1GB NAND flash for local storage, 64MB NOR flash for persistent storage, 384MB of DRAM.

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Would some kind of USB slot qualify for the non-volitile memory requirement?

Yes, some player manufacturers want to use that technique instead of putting the large amount of flash in the player, so as not to force everyone to pay for something most people will not use. However, USB is not popular for that since it sticks out, looking ugly. So look for flash memory card slots to be used instead. And use it view photos from your digital camera while you're at it.

paidgeek · 09-13-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lch

have all the insider gone MIA ?

Sorry for being absent. It has been a very busy week and I have let my forum posts get way behind. Since I have lost track of many of the recent questions, please don't hesitate to repost and I'll do my best to get to them today.

Regards,

Scorxpion · 09-13-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by paidgeek

Sorry for being absent. It has been a very busy week and I have let my forum posts get way behind. Since I have lost track of many of the recent questions, please don't hesitate to repost and I'll do my best to get to them today.

Regards,

Welcome Back Paidgeek

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09-13-2007, 01:41 PM	#3068
kjack Blu-ray Insider Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Milpitas, CA, USA	There was a list of companies making HD DVD and BD players -- could someone please point me to it?

09-13-2007, 02:08 PM	#3070
scott1256ca Active Member Member since:Oct 2006	Keith: So what would that board be capable of? Looks like 7.1 analog out? TrueHD decoding on board? Raw over HDMI? DTS HDMA decoding on board? Raw over HDMI? Based on one of your previous responses would I be correct in assuming SD PiP, and not HD? Thanks

09-13-2007, 02:11 PM	#3071
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	Very pretty Keith Loooks like a pretty small form factor too. Personally I like my electronics built like a tank, but DVD players have proven people like the small, and it's definately cheaper to build

09-13-2007, 02:18 PM	#3072
lch Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:103 Blu-ray collection:813 Blu-ray reviews:1	the board is 1.1 ? ethernet port is on it = upgradable to 2.0 ?

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