Caligula 4K UHD (1979/2023) [Unobstructed View Exclusive]

[Christian Muth]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

Regardless, there are plenty of movies with "hardcore" content that still have merit as art.

I personally really like Metzger's Score, for example.

Now unsimulated sex acts are in vogue again for many shorts and movies. Doesn't mean they should be discounted as valid movies in any way because of this.

John Cameron Mitchell's SHORTBUS, Yorgos Lanthimos' DOGTOOTH, and Myroslav Slaboshpytskyi's THE TRIBE also come to mind as more "recent" ones.

Chris

[geomon]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

Caligula was a real life figure who revelled in perversion and suffering. Any movie about his life isn't gonna be all bunnies and fluffy clouds, is it?

I would watch Disney's Caligula in a heartbeat. I'm dead f...ing serious.

[StarFuryG7]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

The scenes of sexual violence you described earlier were shot by Brass and are still in The Ultimate Cut, so you probably shouldn't watch it if it offends your sensibilities...

It's not that it offends my sensibilities. I can handle it. But I'm not going to pretend that the movie is anything other than what it is either.

[Kyle15]

This movie isn't porn and I don't pretend that it is.

[StarFuryG7]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

No shit, Sherlock. Caligula was a real life figure who revelled in perversion and suffering. Any movie about his life isn't gonna be all bunnies and fluffy clouds, is it?

And you need to see the debauchery depicted in all its perversity because you're that lacking in imagination?

Originally Posted by oddbox83

I don't even know what the point is here?

Then go back to where this started if you really need to figure it out.

Originally Posted by oddbox83

And yes, I, Claudius is superb, but it's quite a different take that doesn't mean any other way of doing it is bad.

That doesn't mean this way of doing it in this film was good. There's a difference between art and sleaze, and this movie is sleaze.

Originally Posted by oddbox83

The movie has it's faults, and it doesn't quite manage to pull it off even before you get into the madness of certain people trying to turn it into another type of movie. It is not, however, garbage. Hell, even if it was, who are you, the good taste police?

Police? No. Someone who dares to represent good and better taste? Sure. Why not? Someone should do it. So why not me?

“Caligula is sickening, utterly worthless, shameful trash. If it is not the worst film I have ever seen, that makes it all the more shameful: People with talent allowed themselves to participate in this travesty. Disgusted and unspeakably depressed, I walked out of the film after two hours of its 170-minute length … Caligula is not good art, it is not good cinema, and it is not good porn.”
https://time.com/2957019/roger-ebert...rutal-reviews/

If the man wasn't dead I would also suggest you take it up with him too while you're at it.

He was also probably a better representative of the good taste police besides.

[Kyle15]

Oh My God

[russweiss1]

Originally Posted by StarFuryG7

Police? No. Someone who dares to represent good and better taste? Sure. Why not? Someone should do it. So why not me?

What I don't understand is why you continue to view a thread (or even looked at it to begin with) about a film you don't like? Even if you just wanted to put your two cents worth into the discussion, you should have made one post and been done with it. Instead you feel the need to make new posts insulting the people that do enjoy it. Move on.

P.S. You've made Kyle post "Oh My God" twice now and that is not a good thing.

[Christian Muth]

At least he didn't make Kyle shart... yet.

Chris

[StarFuryG7]

Originally Posted by russweiss1

What I don't understand is why you continue to view a thread (or even looked at it to begin with) about a film you don't like?

I've already answered that question pretty much, and it's not that I dislike the film. There are people out there that like "Waterworld," but will also acknowledge that it's not a great --or even good-- movie. 'Army of Darkness' is cheesy as hell, but falls into the "So Bad It's Good" category because of its charm. 'Caligula' is a part of my collection, but that doesn't mean I think it's great --or even a good-- film. I have bad movies that are a part of my movie collection as well. That doesn't mean I would laud them as great works of art, or that I should have to just to please people I don't even know.

Originally Posted by russweiss1

Even if you just wanted to put your two cents worth into the discussion, you should have made one post and been done with it. Instead you feel the need to make new posts insulting the people that do enjoy it.

Actually, no, that's not what's happened at all. I expressed criticism about the movie and was then attacked on multiple fronts, and have barely hit back in response to it all. That's what's occurred here.

I don't care if people here like the movie. They're free to to their hearts content. Just don't try to tell me that I have to love it in kind. I'm entitled to my own point of view and assessment of it, same as anyone else here, including the people that love it, and if someone asks for an opinion about whether or not they should watch something, or this cut versus that cut, I'm going to be honest if I decide to chime in on the matter. I'm not going to sugar coat it, and I'm not going to lie.

Originally Posted by russweiss1

P.S. You've made Kyle post "Oh My God" twice now and that is not a good thing.

It's three times actually, if you include yesterday when I was hit with that response initially for referring to the movie, along with two other films, as smut. "Oh My God" for referring to 'Debbie Does Dallas,' 'Deep Throat' and 'Caligula' as smut. Perish the thought!

Well, all I can say to that is that I'm sorry that 'Behind the Green Door' wasn't mentioned there as well, since they all fall pretty much into the same category.

Have fun. I'll keep whatever other thoughts I may have about the movie to myself. I wouldn't want to offend anyone by saying whatever else I may happen to think about it.

[Streetlight]

Originally Posted by StarFuryG7

I've already answered that question pretty much, and it's not that I dislike the film. There are people out there that like "Waterworld," but will also acknowledge that it's not a great --or even good-- movie. 'Army of Darkness' is cheesy as hell, but falls into the "So Bad It's Good" category because of its charm. 'Caligula' is a part of my collection, but that doesn't mean I think it's great --or even a good-- film. I have bad movies that are a part of my movie collection as well. That doesn't mean I would laud them as great works of art, or that I should have to just to please people I don't even know.



Actually, no, that's not what's happened at all. I expressed criticism about the movie and was then attacked on multiple fronts, and have barely hit back in response to it all. That's what's occurred here.

I don't care if people here like the movie. They're free to to their hearts content. Just don't try to tell me that I have to love it in kind. I'm entitled to my own point of view and assessment of it, same as anyone else here, including the people that love it, and if someone asks for an opinion about whether or not they should watch something, or this cut versus that cut, I'm going to be honest if I decide to chime in on the matter. I'm not going to sugar coat it, and I'm not going to lie.



It's three times actually, if you include yesterday when I was hit with that response initially for referring to the movie, along with two other films, as smut. "Oh My God" for referring to 'Debbie Does Dallas,' 'Deep Throat' and 'Caligula' as smut. Perish the thought!

Well, all I can say to that is that I'm sorry that 'Behind the Green Door' wasn't mentioned there as well, since they all fall pretty much into the same category.

Have fun. I'll keep whatever other thoughts I may have about the movie to myself. I wouldn't want to offend anyone by saying whatever else I may happen to think about it.

Kyle rn:

[Christian Muth]

Originally Posted by Streetlight

Kyle rn:

Poor Kyle 😢

Chris

[dallywhitty]

Imagine thinking Army of Darkness is "so bad it's good."

Nobody cares that you dislike Caligula. A lot of people do. It's more your snooty "these films are beneath me and anybody who thinks they have artistic merit are kidding themselves" attitude which is grating.

[IdeaOfEvil]

So, uh... this is a movie worth watching, then? lol

[ronand]

Originally Posted by IdeaOfEvil

So, uh... this is a movie worth watching, then? lol

Well, its a nice costume drama. Sort of...

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by IdeaOfEvil

So, uh... this is a movie worth watching, then? lol

If this thread hasn't sold it yet, I don't know what will!

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Nobody cares that you dislike Caligula. A lot of people do. It's more your snooty "these films are beneath me and anybody who thinks they have artistic merit are kidding themselves" attitude which is grating.

Quoted for truth.

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by StarFuryG7

If the man wasn't dead I would also suggest you take it up with him too while you're at it.

He was also probably a better representative of the good taste police besides.

Why would I even need to take it up with him? He's not here enforcing his viewpoint on others.

Also LMFAO at the suggestion that because Roger hated it, that's somehow an objective fact. Roger may have been a pretty major figure in film critique, but that doesn't mean we need to agree with everything he said. I disagree with so many of his opinions, which is fine.

No one here has a problem with you hating the movie. I hate plenty of movies. Let's pluck one out of the air, Cruising (1980). That left a horrible taste in my mouth, and no one really had a problem IIRC when I shared in a little more detail what I didn't like about it here. What I didn't do was look down on anyone who did like the movie. Just take a moment and consider this.

Am I bad person if I say I'd love to see the fallout if you watched Salo? Caligula is tame next to that.

[Kyle15]

The current popular crybully virtue signaling snobbery trend is getting so old. Can we go five minutes without it? Apparently not! Oh no I'm attacking and harassing again. I can't help myself!

[oddbox83]

The most worrying thing to me, is why someone who loathes this movie actually owns a copy?

[mikesncc1701]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Imagine thinking Army of Darkness is "so bad it's good."

That original comment offended me. Army Of Darkness is so good it's great!