Jurassic World Dominion 3D Blu-ray (2022) [Region Free]

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by cdx47

I'm not doing that. But to show support I have bought Dominion which is a movie I haven't even bothered to pirate. However I'm a little concerned about having an Atmos track when the 4K disc comes with DTS:x?

To answer my own question; this is not TrueHD Atmos. It is Dolby Digital Plus which is the Atmos used for streaming. Most people won't hear a difference and I have only rarely heard a significant difference. But it makes me wonder if the other movies are the same because with RSM, at least it was was full fat Atmos, even if it was on the blu-ray disc only.

For those who play discs only this will be fine and it's not something I'm going to complain about as it is a bit techie. But this is misleading and a little concerning.

[Krobar]

Originally Posted by cdx47

To answer my own question; this is not TrueHD Atmos. It is Dolby Digital Plus which is the Atmos used for streaming. Most people won't hear a difference and I have only rarely heard a significant difference. But it makes me wonder if the other movies are the same because with RSM, at least it was was full fat Atmos, even if it was on the blu-ray disc only.

For those who play discs only this will be fine and it's not something I'm going to complain about as it is a bit techie. But this is misleading and a little concerning.

Got mine today. Dominion is indeed DD+ Atmos but Minions and Gangster Gang are both TrueHD. The DD+ on Dominion is a very high 1.6Mbit CBR bit rate so definitely not from a streaming platform and will be much closer to lossless than most DD+, my guess is they had peak bitrate issues which exceeded spec so re-encoded.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Krobar

Got mine today. Dominion is indeed DD+ Atmos but Minions and Gangster Gang are both TrueHD. The DD+ on Dominion is a very high 1.6Mbit CBR bit rate so definitely not from a streaming platform and will be much closer to lossless than most DD+, my guess is they had peak bitrate issues which exceeded spec so re-encoded.

I assumed this couldn't have been TrueHD Atmos because the disc is DTS:x. The DTS:x audio has about a 3-5 dB increase in maximum volume over the DD+, but that's always been the case for DTS tracks which might be why they became so popular. As for the DD+ audio, this could be the source from which the streaming platforms use to re-encode.

I've been listening to various Atmos and DTS:x tracks today and just had a quick listen of Dominion. Dune 2's lossy DD+ audio is great and sounds as good as many lossless Atmos tracks. Unfortunately Dominion is one of those DD+ tracks where I can hear the difference. It's fine, but if possible I'm going to try and get the DTS:x audio.

[Krobar]

Originally Posted by cdx47

I assumed this couldn't have been TrueHD Atmos because the disc is DTS:x. The DTS:x audio has about a 3-5 dB increase in maximum volume over the DD+, but that's always been the case for DTS tracks which might be why they became so popular. As for the DD+ audio, this could be the source from which the streaming platforms use to re-encode.

I've been listening to various Atmos and DTS:x tracks today and just had a quick listen of Dominion. Dune 2's lossy DD+ audio is great and sounds as good as many lossless Atmos tracks. Unfortunately Dominion is one of those DD+ tracks where I can hear the difference. It's fine, but if possible I'm going to try and get the DTS:x audio.

Will be interesting to hear your thoughts; I already have the 4K so will mux the DTS:X onto the same file (If I can time align them). The channel mapping for the DD+ looks weird too:

Audio #1
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : E-AC-3 JOC
Format/Info                              : Enhanced AC-3 with Joint Object Coding
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital Plus with Dolby Atmos
Format profile                           : Blu-ray Disc
Codec ID                                 : A_EAC3
Duration                                 : 2 h 26 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 664 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 8 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs Tfl Tfr
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 1.71 GiB (5%)
Title                                    : Surround 7.1
Language                                 : English
Service kind                             : Complete Main
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No
Complexity index                         : 16
Number of dynamic objects                : 15
Bed channel count                        : 1 channel
Bed channel configuration                : LFE
Dialog Normalization                     : -29 dB
compr                                    : -0.28 dB
cmixlev                                  : -3.0 dB
surmixlev                                : -3 dB
dmixmod                                  : Lo/Ro
ltrtcmixlev                              : -3.0 dB
ltrtsurmixlev                            : -3.0 dB
lorocmixlev                              : -3.0 dB
lorosurmixlev                            : -3.0 dB
dialnorm_Average                         : -29 dB
dialnorm_Minimum                         : -29 dB
dialnorm_Maximum                         : -29 dB

[bradipolpo]

English and german only on 3D disc?
Thanks

[grazina31]

Originally Posted by cdx47

But it makes me wonder if the other movies are the same because with RSM, at least it was was full fat Atmos, even if it was on the blu-ray disc only.

This is the spec for the DTS-MA 5.1 from the RSM Dominion 3D disc:

DTS-HD Master Audio English 1974 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1974 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 16-bit)

It's interesting that it is not a full Atmos track, or even the DTS:x (DTS:X Master Audio English 3309 kbps 7.1 / 48 kHz / 3309 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit) that is widely available on the 2D version.

I suspect it is something to do with the video bitrate.
I believe that what we have with the Turbine disc is a compromise they had to make, most likely to have all those languages included.
As soon as someone is able to scan the disc and put the bdinfo up, we'll know for sure what is happening.

But I'll say that I'm somewhat disappointed because if you were to remux the video of the RSM disc with the dts:x you would get this:

PLAYLIST REPORT:
Name: 00000.MPLS
Length: 2:26:57.305 (h:m:s.ms)
Size: 46,619,215,872 bytes
Total Bitrate: 42.30 Mbps
VIDEO:
Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 20801 kbps Left Eye / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
MPEG-4 MVC Video 15859 kbps Right Eye
AUDIO:
Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS:X Master Audio English 3309 kbps 7.1 / 48 kHz / 3309 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)

It looks that there was still room (about 3gb) to have those other languages with the DTS:x track included. We'll know more when the bdinfo for this disc is up.
I'll finish up by saying that I don't have the disc yet, and specs only tell half the story and that I'm still very happy to have bought the Turbine edition for its price and how easy it was to get it.

[Krobar]

One other thing of note is while the other side of the cover is an English front cover for both sides the back of the cover is German. The case designs are nice though IMHO.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by grazina31

I'll finish up by saying that I don't have the disc yet, and specs only tell half the story and that I'm still very happy to have bought the Turbine edition for its price and how easy it was to get it.

Yeah but it's still a little disappointing because the DD+ audio isn't the best when compared to something like Dune 2. But it's barely even a small price to pay if it means that we can get other 3D movies that haven't been released by RSM in future

Originally Posted by Krobar

One other thing of note is while the other side of the cover is an English front cover for both sides the back of the cover is German. The case designs are nice though IMHO.

I turned the cover over for English and there was the German back cover lol.

[barty22]

I'm getting confused,

What are the audio and subtitle options of this new German 3d disc?
And is it only the Theatrical Cut in 3d?
And how does the 3d video compare to that from the Australian 3d disc?

Thanks!

[the13thman]

Originally Posted by barty22

I'm getting confused,

What are the audio and subtitle options of this new German 3d disc?
And is it only the Theatrical Cut in 3d?
And how does the 3d video compare to that from the Australian 3d disc?

Thanks!

Turbine's shop page very clearly lists the audio and subtitles as follows:

Audio: Deutsch Dolby Atmos, Englisch Dolby Atmos, Französisch DTS-HD High Resolution 7.1, Spanisch DTS-HD High Resolution 7.1, Italienisch DTS-HD High Resolution 7.1

Subtitles: Deutsch, Deutsch für Hörgeschädigte, Englisch, Englisch SDH, Französisch, Spanisch, Italienisch

And yes, it is only the Theatrical Cut in 3D. I can't imagine the video will look any different from RSM's disc but I haven't received mine yet so I will let others comment on that.

[DarthLaser]

Originally Posted by barty22

I'm getting confused,

What are the audio and subtitle options of this new German 3d disc?
And is it only the Theatrical Cut in 3d?
And how does the 3d video compare to that from the Australian 3d disc?

Thanks!

Audio: Deutsch & English – Dolby Atmos (DD+), Français, Español, Italiano - DTS-HD High Resolution 7.1
Subtitles: German, German SDH, English, English SDH, Français, Español, Italiano
Only the Theatrical Cut was converted to 3D.
The 3D master is the same as the one used in Australia, it's a different encode though.

[grazina31]

Originally Posted by DarthLaser

Audio: Deutsch & English – Dolby Atmos (DD+), Français, Español, Italiano - DTS-HD High Resolution 7.1
Subtitles: German, German SDH, English, English SDH, Français, Español, Italiano
Only the Theatrical Cut was converted to 3D.
The 3D master is the same as the one used in Australia, it's a different encode though.

Since it's a different encode, can you comment on the decision to not use a full atmos track or the dts:x from the 2D edition.

[bradipolpo]

Originally Posted by DarthLaser

Audio: Deutsch & English – Dolby Atmos (DD+), Français, Español, Italiano - DTS-HD High Resolution 7.1
Subtitles: German, German SDH, English, English SDH, Français, Español, Italiano

Did you actually check on 3D disc or are these the specs posted on Turbine page?
Thanks

[AugieDog]

Originally Posted by grazina31

Since it's a different encode, can you comment on the decision to not use a full atmos track or the dts:x from the 2D edition.

It could be that since Turbine asked for Dolby Atmos specifically from Universal, they gave them the compressed DD+ Atmos version of Jurassic World found on streaming platforms (since DTS is not supported on streaming). Minions and Bad Guys already had Atmos mixes on their respective Blu-rays, hence why they’re still TrueHD.

[the13thman]

Originally Posted by bradipolpo

Did you actually check on 3D disc or are these the specs posted on Turbine page?
Thanks

DarthLaser is a representative of Turbine so you can trust that information, the disc does have the Italian options as stated.

[xootoo]

Good news for the 3D Blu-ray format and prosper of the Turbine 3D Blu-ray collection project.

Translated into english via Google.

"People believed to be dead live longer!
We suspected that the 3D Blu-ray would still twitch. But thanks to a vibrant community, it is in such good health that we are now temporarily sold out!
The first edition of JURASSIC WORLD – A NEW ERA (Turbine Collector Series #1) was sold just 3 days after publication. We are already having more copies made. The goods are on June 20th. ready for shipping again in the Turbine shop. Until then, JURASSIC WORLD 3 and the bundle with the first three 3D titles can only be pre-ordered."

[grazina31]

Originally Posted by the13thman

DarthLaser is a representative of Turbine so you can trust that information, the disc does have the Italian options as stated.

Originally Posted by AugieDog

It could be that since Turbine asked for Dolby Atmos specifically from Universal, they gave them the compressed DD+ Atmos version of Jurassic World found on streaming platforms (since DTS is not supported on streaming). Minions and Bad Guys already had Atmos mixes on their respective Blu-rays, hence why they’re still TrueHD.

DarthLaser is actually the owner of Turbine, hence why I asked about the encoding and sound choices before.

But my little review of Turbine's JW: Dominion 3D blu-ray:
Playback was flawless. The menu might be the best designed menu I've ever encountered. The encode itself was amazing, with nothing bad to report. As for the sound, I did not have a single complain about that either.
My finals thoughts on Turbine's first foray into 3D land are extremely positive, and if this disc is the standard of things to come, we are all in very good hands.

[Smallfoot]

Originally Posted by xootoo

...
We suspected that the 3D Blu-ray would still twitch. But thanks to a vibrant community, it is in such good health that we are now temporarily sold out!
The first edition of JURASSIC WORLD – A NEW ERA (Turbine Collector Series #1) was sold just 3 days after publication...."

That's great news. I hope we can soon hear about additional 3D-Blu-Ray titles from Turbine ?

[xootoo]

Originally Posted by Smallfoot

That's great news. I hope we can soon hear about additional 3D-Blu-Ray titles from Turbine ?

They said in an interview that they announce all their physical media releases shortly before they are available. So this is not a very long wait as known from Random Space before. But I guess it will take some time till the next 3D wave, given that the first wave was started just a few days ago. From what I heard they are planing in waves of 3 titles, given they sell enough copies to make this work. So vote with your pocket for future titles!

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by DarthLaser

Audio: Deutsch & English – Dolby Atmos (DD+), Français, Español, Italiano - DTS-HD High Resolution 7.1
Subtitles: German, German SDH, English, English SDH, Français, Español, Italiano
Only the Theatrical Cut was converted to 3D.
The 3D master is the same as the one used in Australia, it's a different encode though.

I'm glad you've taken my advice and updated the specs